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Christ-Likeness in the Forum Conversations - SI Forums Note

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

Saints,

This was posted in another locked thread and we thought it would be beneficial to post here for edifying conversation and not a re-hasing of a previous thread topic.


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As some brothers have stated to have to have every single Christian debate solved on sermonindex will really not help the kingdom of God expand in anyway. What is 100% more important is all the members of the forums exhibiting great love and Christ-likeness to each other and to those they are speaking of. The Love of God should be known and felt in these discussions.

It is clear and obvious when reading through many comments, rants, reactionary posts and other posts that many are not written out of love but out of a perturbed state of being. I believe the focus needs to be on Christ more and not on every false ideal and theology. If we are well versed in the truth we will always be able to detect the counterfeit and such is the way of the kingdom.

Another area of Christ-likeness is submission to authority and considering others better than ourselves. This is not something to be by-passed but very important in our daily walks with the Lord. If we are catering rebellion in our hearts to any authority that God has put in place it can be a very spiritually dangerous thing. In my life I try my best to respect and honour delegated authorities and to not "slander" them or question them publicly. In the case of an Elder of a church I would never question the Elder publicly before his flock. Rather I would seek to find a time with him privately to air concerns and before that share the burden with the Lord for many weeks. Also to speak privately about the wrong leadership one feels there is in assembly and not to pray about it is simply gossip. And chiefly if we are not praying to the Lord privately "much" about problems in those in authority then we should not seek to discuss these things with others even privately.

Another important aspect dear brothers is our growth in Christ, Are we growing in Christ-likeness? Have we come to SermonIndex to listen to sermons, to grow in Christ, to encourage and be encouraged by others? Or do we have an agenda and things we want to do and teach others? One of my prayers for myself is that I would always desire to be teachable and to learn from all different brothers especially those that are weak. We have asked some members on SermonIndex to not participate in the forums simply because they were not teachable and did not come to "learn" but rather to teach everyone else. I believe this type of spirit will never build the body of Christ who is not teachable and humble to learn like a child. Even the most learned and godly amongst us should be learning from others in the body of Christ. We see this wonderful example from Paul the Apostle who always spoken of "mutual edification".

Lastly I would like to share that Christ-likeness shares the mind of Christ. And this mind sees how God sees and looks at the Church how God sees it. We see divisions, sects, Catholic vs protestant (strictly). God does not see this way but looks at the heart. It is not even an understatement to say there have been true brethren who have been in the Catholic system. Throughout the arguably 1700 years of Catholicism existing in part there have been those who truly knew Christ, believed His atonement and trusted in His work even in the midst of a growing list of pagan and demonically driven traditions. Especially during periods of the middle ages there was a large monastic movement where many of the more "true" believers instead of being kicked out of the church were given the blessing to go and start communities to follow "all the scriptures". Such places have been where the Gospel was preserved until finally a Hus and others emerged from the blackness of Popery. Pilgrim Church is an excellent book on this Church History.

Yet as we continue to reformers, and onwards still there was persecution exacted to other "true brethren" so there has always been a mixture and if we look from our fleshly eyes we will never see the beauty of God's true body of Christ. John Bunyan found out this truth after judging and persecuting the Quaker movement (George Fox's church) but once Bunyan found himself in jail with 2 Quakers did he realize they were "true brethren" and his doctrinal differences was non-sequential. May God gives us eyes to see how He sees his body and to not judge others.

In conclusion I would like to simply say that to God it is much better to have love, mercy and grace then to simply have the truth and hit someone with it. It is much better to be led of the Spirit than to do 1 million things for God in the flesh. It is better to do the work of God in spreading the love of Christ than to sit and speak against the darkness. The moravian movement of history never won the lost and had a year long 24/7 prayer meeting by finding every false doctrine and trying to tell Christendom about it. Rather they went out with such sacrifice, love and commitment that is shock believers everywhere with their peace and grace and resulted the conversion of not just thousands of heathen but John Wesley, Charles Wesley and George Whitefield also. And what was the power that did all of this, it was their Christ-likeness, Christ in them. To the glory of God. May He do it again and again.

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RobertW Nov 14, 2012

Good thoughts here dear brother.

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iceman9 Nov 14, 2012

Well said Greg - thank you.

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

Greg,
What is your personal email address?
Jeff

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

Greg,
I just want to email you my personal phone number (or get yours). I want to share my heart with you over the phone. I have a love & a burden for the ministry of this site that hundreds & thousands of people look at every day.
I am respectful & prayerful of your position to moderate the discussion forums. I'd like to discuss this with you further personally & privately over the phone, if at all possible.
In the Love of Christ,
Jeff Marshall

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hulsey Nov 14, 2012

The contact us link in the left column gives you a direct email with which you can contact Greg.

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

Thanks Jeremy!

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Sree Nov 14, 2012


One of my prayers for myself is that I would always desire to be teachable and to learn from all different brothers especially those that are weak. We have asked some members on SermonIndex to not participate in the forums simply because they were not teachable and did not come to "learn" but rather to teach everyone else. I believe this type of spirit will never build the body of Christ who is not teachable and humble to learn like a child. Even the most learned and godly amongst us should be learning from others in the body of Christ. We see this wonderful example from Paul the Apostle who always spoken of "mutual edification".

I agree that we need to have a teachable spirit when we come to this forum. Many times in past I have made the mistake of correcting people here. I have repented of them, and learnt that you can encourage those with genuine questions by sharing God's word, but avoid those who fight over doctrines.

It is also important that we learn from right people. This forum cannot be compared to body of Christ, it is not a Church. I cannot learn from someone who puts theology above God's word. We need discernment on the posts that are edifying and those that are not.

If this forum was a Church then people with doctrines that are against the word of God will be asked to keep quiet. The Church I go the elders discern every word spoken in the Church meetings, if I had shared the things posted in this forum, I would be asked to be quiet in Church meetings. So the difference is my Church elders know that they will be held accountable for every false word spoken in the meetings but here the moderators do not consider themselves accountable. There might be practical difficulties and I am not here to say how they should work, personally I do not know either. But my point is to highlight the difference between a body of Christ (Church) and this forum.

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

So the difference is my Church elders know that they will be held accountable for every false word spoken in the meetings but here the moderators do not consider themselves accountable. There might be practical difficulties and I am not here to say how they should work, personally I do not know either. But my point is to highlight the difference between a body of Christ (Church) and this forum.

Dear Brother,

Thank you for sharing your testimony of God's grace in your life through using the forums here. I would like to comment and state that I agree with you that SermonIndex itself is "not the church" but it does compose of those who are in the body of Christ. Therefore as moderators we do see ourselves accountable to ensure that very abusive situations and problems on the forums are solved. We also see it important such as this thread to exhort believers to exhibit the right spirit in their text communications. We will be accountable at the judgment seat of Christ for every "idle" word. This also includes all of our text communication that cannot be "deleted" in that day.

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” - Matthew 12:36-37

"each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is." - 1 Corinthians 3:13

The motives for each persons speech will also be brought into account. We have so many choices on how to respond to people everyday, may God continue to grow us in Christ-likeness to respond as Christ would.

sermonindex Nov 14, 2012

thank you for the Spirit in threads like these. I benefit from this. I need to learn this. I am in agreement with you guys and I am trying myself to watch my tongue. it is so easy just to go off in the flesh and I find myself frequently wanting to post in that way. it is nice to see that different Spirit.

blessings

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Sree Nov 14, 2012


I agree with you that SermonIndex itself is "not the church" but it does compose of those who are in the body of Christ. Therefore as moderators we do see ourselves accountable to ensure that very abusive situations and problems on the forums are solved.

Praise God that you took my post in right spirit though I could have worded my post better. My point is not to show your accountability or not to show how the moderators have to function, I am ineligible to do both.

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DieingtoLive Nov 14, 2012

I feel like I am one of the weak. I find often I am unable to read through many threads and I find myself skimming & I am unable to concentrate. There are a couple posters I look for to be genuinely blessed, by one in particular that expounds much on Christlikeness & dying to self in such a humble, gentle and practicle way that it really helps me.

I personally don't want to debate about this or that. Just talk about Jesus. His presense can be so real, intimate, & close. That may be why I can't really concentrate on the majority of the threads. It may just be that it's about theories or whatever.

I do see & feel that hunger for Jesus here, & when I do my heart goes out everytime.

I don't post much. I don't like being criticized & judged. Not that I feel like I have been. Some people can handle & expose themselves to do those things I'm just not built like that & stay away from confrontational.

For me there are just so many distractions it boggles the mind if I let it. Even here. I just want to let patience have it's perfect work by keeping my mind and eyes on Him, loving, hoping, talking about Him & praying He returns soon. I would seek that in my fellowship here.

I would like to feel/think that this is a great go to place to escape the sins that so easily beset and say man I really messed up today can someone please pray for me. Maybe I will do that. Maybe the Lord would have me to. For I still react sinfully @ times in real life to sinful situations. Maybe I need to learn to be more brave like this. This is brave for me & every other time I've posted. I am basically weak & have a fear of man coming against me.
I am so grateful to have found the resources here on SI to help me be mindful of examining myself for the greatest tests of my life to come that will reveal my true character. This is so important to me for me to learn what is in me truly. Self mostly or Christ. I would like to test myself here, weed out weakness & be built up.

I can talk alot that I already know. I just pray it will matter in a way that it is edifying.

I'll be rereading this post & pray over it. I also want to highlight & post the parts that really stood out to me. Lord Jesus please bless SI & use it for your purpose Lord to bring unity & love through you closer to our hearts & minds that as we truly seek you we would be transformed into your image and be able to live > "it is no longer I that liveth, but Christ that liveth in me."
Blessings for SI. & it's moderators. Through Christ.

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Oracio Nov 14, 2012

It is better to do the work of God in spreading the love of Christ than to sit and speak against the darkness. The moravian movement of history never won the lost and had a year long 24/7 prayer meeting by finding every false doctrine and trying to tell Christendom about it. Rather they went out with such sacrifice, love and commitment that is shock believers everywhere with their peace and grace and resulted the conversion of not just thousands of heathen but John Wesley, Charles Wesley and George Whitefield also. And what was the power that did all of this, it was their Christ-likeness, Christ in them. To the glory of God. May He do it again and again.

That is something I feel the Lord has been showing me also. I've fallen into that trap too many times. I've been caught up debating this or that on the internet while neglecting secret prayer and the Word and seeking His presence and power in my life, and while so many people all around me are perishing without God.

I've seen the same type of thing take place in church. Believers start spending too much time debating this or that doctrine while the lost go unreached all around.

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