Lack of a prophetic consciousness

I always get fearful of coming across as a know it all or something of that like when I share certain things. But I still remain convinced that at least part of this may be relevant. I shared it with a close brother I know and he had no problem with it. But it just so happens I was watching a bit of Christian television recently. A man was speaking at a recent large conference for Christians and he had power in his words. His words were strong and anointed as he spoke of how there were many things going on in the land and the world today but he stressed above all that the Holy Spirit was still working in the land and the world today. He reminded everyone that our hope was not in political parties and that no matter how many Goliaths or secular "isms" were manifesting in the land and the earth today today that the kingdom and the Savior were vastly pre-eminent. He spoke of the moral restoration of Amercia and its leaders and the large audience began to rejoice and stand to their feet and praise the Lord and wave their Bibles in the air. I was encouraged also. The Spirit was in his words and I can understand the audience's reaction and there is nothing wrong with any of what he said or with the reaction he got. But I was particularly struck by the fact that not once did he mention Israel or the coming conflict that will in my opinion shake world stabilty and become the main epicenter of controversy in the world. Which of course will dramatically involve the church. I always feel largely unqualified when I see things through critical eyes and it's hard for me to speak against such a powerful word that this brother had. I'm not really trying to speak against his word but I couldn't help but take notice of what he left out if his purpose was to help the church see and understand and be encouraged in its mission today. Yet he didn't mention Israel one time. I don't know exactly where he is coming from and what his views are so I don't want to peg him incorrectly. I've never seen him before today anyway. But in much of the body of Christ it seems the moral restoration of Amercia is proclaimed and preached and seen as the main thing on God's agenda versus the restoration of His covenant nation Israel. Of course America's restoration is a noble goal. Who can be against that? But what is the "big picture" against which all else should be framed? So many speakers and even prophets who give words concerning the future seem devoid of the context of the larger picture on God's agenda regarding His still entranged nation and their restoration in Christ. How is the age to end? Where will the church find itself at this juncture? It makes me think that a great stirring of the prophetic consciousness of the church is needed and a renewed study of the prophetic scriptures is very needful for the church today. I'm sure many here may agree with that so I'm probably largely preaching to the choir in a way. Yet how can one preach mightily about the move of the Holy Spirit and the role of the church in these days and leave the coming conflict that will swirl around Israel out of the mix? Especially when we see it shaping up in literal time and space just as predicted by the prophets. And even when Israel is spoken of (it certainly wasn't by this speaker) many times it seems to be in the context of they will always achieve victory no matter who or how many comes against them. The coming course of suffering course they will go through to achive peace and a final victory totally from the Lord is rarely considered in the fulness of its implications even if Israel is mentioned.

I always get uncomfortable when I say such things because I'm keenly aware of my own shortcomings and how my own view may need adjusting by the rest of the body. Still, the fact is, this brother had a strong and powerful word of encouragement to the church and its mission during the coming days yet he didn't mention Israel or the big picture one time. I end by stressing I'm not a know it all but I remain more and more convinced the true depth of the prophetic scriptures may lay virtually untouched by many during our day even while those scriptures are increasingly vital for the church of our day. Will the age just end or is there a certain geographical conflict and struggle clearly portrayed as the epicenter around which the shaking of all things will swirl?

Well,'nuf from here. Blessings to you good folks.

appolus, that was my take on it, too.

The people were cheering because they were hearing what they 'wanted' to hear. They will not cheer what they NEED to hear.

'Come out of her. . .'

Brothertom, I have been in intercession for Israel. I do not like war or battles, yet I have had a really peaceful calming in my spirit for her. I know the battle will rage and may cause other Nations of the world to hate her because of what this battle will become.

I don't think that Obama, will aide unless pushed by congress and by NATO, because I think that Obama's loyalties are with the Muslims. I feel strongly in my spirit that Israel will take back the Dome of the Rock The seat of our forefather David and push the agitators out of the Gaza strip.

Read prophecies of Amos brother. Israel needs our prayerful support from across the world. Even if it is from Christians. We serve the same God.

Oh God i hate it when people do not break up their writing into paragraphs enough and it is just one long mass very hard to wade through...siiiiiigh

QUOTE: "He spoke of the moral restoration of Amercia and its leaders and the large audience began to rejoice and stand to their feet and praise the Lord and wave their Bibles in the air. I was encouraged also. The Spirit was in his words and I can understand the audience's reaction and there is nothing wrong with any of what he said or with the reaction he got."

Sounds nice, soothing to the ears, maybe even tickling...but if there was no call to the churches to REPENT then i doubt it was of the Holy Ghost. Cuz from what i've seen in the churches in this country, well, that is a whole nother thread.....And even in myself i have learned so many things just within the past year alone--sins which i didn't even know of or recognize previously in myself, despite my commitment to daily Bible study, prayer,etc. So if there is no preaching on specific sins of the churches then be very careful...

Trekker,

"be very careful..."

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Excellent advice, especially if the message 'sounds' pleasing.

That rant about paragraphs could have come from my own keyboard. Short, to the point paragraphs make threads appealing. I seldom read when they have the 'uni-brow' look.

God will send a Move of God again he is going to send his prophets to the church and the nations.

Judgement starts in God's house, then in the nations.

So much going on...it looks like 2013 is gearing up to be a pivotal year prophetically speaking, not that the Trib begins here, but it may and it is getting close.

I believe the final 3-1/2 years begins with Michael's war. This is very important to understand this...

The Harlot of Babylon (Mystery Babylon the Great) is people just like the Bride of Christ is people. ALL the people on the earth belong to one or the other and there is no exception to this - you are either among the redeemed or you are not, you are a part of the Bride or you are not. If you are not among the redeemed then you belong to the harlot.

It is written that were two or three are gathered in the name of our Lord there He is in the midst; the Holy Spirit empowers the Bride to be who she is. In like manner, the spirit of satan empowers the harlot to be who she is. So when Michael's war happens, satan loses his power and dominion(except through those who take his mark.) (eph 6:12 will end and be no more because they are cast out and down to the earth) only after the Millennial reign of Christ will he be let loose again to deceive the nations (but not to spiritually harass or tempt the elect saints, not ever again for ever and ever...this (Eph 6:12) ends at Michael's war )

The Harlot will fall (Babylon the Great is fallen is fallen...) the spirit that empowers her has been cast out and down to the earth, and in one fell swoop humanity will fall along with satan and his angels. The accuser of the brethren who accuses us day and night before God will have been cast out. Revival will come after this...globally, but it will happen during the Great Tribulation.

...soon now.

A great sword is coming, one that will equip the saints for the final days.

Do not be fearful of events that are about to take place. But how do we prepare for these coming events except to get every part of our lives right with God with all of our hearts. Instead of focusing on terrible events (persecution etc.) , focus on loving God more and what He would have us to do in these times - There is NOTHING more important than God in our lives!!

Thanks for your input and thoughts. I visited your blog also.

You said,

"I have had several end-time prophetic revelations. Most were about America, my country.
http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/03/justice-and-glory-americas-time-in.html#comment-form"

"...but other than the Bible, I have not had a vision or word or dream about Israel what-so-ever. [ I have travelled there and ministered there many times, just visiting again two months ago.]"

I guess that makes my point in a way. I'm not being critical of you per say but the prophetic ministries today seem to include revelations and forecasts about everything except the one controversy that is destined to be the epicenter of the end of the age and so out of necessity will dramatically involve the church and a major part of its role and mission during the last days. I don't know why this is but it surely is in my opinion.

You stated,

"Yes, Jesus will return there as He rescues Israel from slaughter, and the Two Witnesses will be killed and resurrected there, and there are many references in the Old Testament about Israel's last days grace they will be given, but God's people, the CHURCH, is God's primary focus, which includes natural Israel; but it is not His focus....the Church is...worldwide."

If God's plan revolves around the CHURCH and includes natural Israel it seems then at least something regarding Israel should be seen in the many forecasts for the future.

You stated,

"It is interesting to me, that the letters to the seven churches in Revelation do not include "To the church of Israel, or the "Hebrews"...[ Paul did that..]...but to the seven churches in Asia, all non-natural Jews....which in a ways proves my point. A true American Christian is just as valuable to the Lord as any Messianic one."

That a true American Christian is just as valuable to the Lord as any Messianic one is not a point in dispute in my opinion. That goes without saying but that point doesn't dimionish from the fact that Israel has a Millennial destiny and future unlike any other nation. Israel's coming future and glory doesn't diminish in any way from the value of any other believer or nation It's just that they will occupy a special place because of the personal presence of the Messiah as He rules the nations.

I have often thought about Israel and what God would like to do to through me.

I reckon we must stand with Israel at any cost..
For sure if you stand with Israel you'll get persecuted just as they will be, but despite that I feel as Christian's we must stand with the, even though they will despise us.

This time they must not stand alone

I believe the church needs to get into such a place in God that Israel will get jealous of the church as they see what God does in us and through us.

But first the church needs to hear from God and yield to him so the cleansing and the power can come to us the church in a way that has not been seen before..

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I gather that this is basically your question?

There are people who do not believe Israel figures in the end-time events - the time that precedes Jesus return. It used to be called a-millennialism. Today it is called "Preterism". From what you said I would guess this is where this speaker is coming from.

These people also believe man can usher in a peaceable era.

I do not hold to this view - just telling you that it appears to me this is what this speaker likely believes.

Thsanks for your reply.

You stated,

"As for the speaker not mentioning Israel, is it always necessary to mention Israel when talking about bible prophecy?

I reckon we must stand with Israel at any cost

If anyone believes that Israel has any light is greatly deceived."

Concentrating on Israel's present unbelief ONLY misses the point of much of biblical prophecy in my opinion. What does Israel's present unbelief have to do with continuing to stand with and pray for them because we believe that all that prophecy has stated regarding thioer eventual destiny in Christ will be fulfilled? The pastor who baptized me in water used to tell people that he wouldn't touch me with a 40 foot pole. Then one day I showed up at his church and told him I hade become converted to Christ and he was astonished. That's not blowing my own horn but I remember it well. He said it was an extraordinarly lesson for him. He had been focused on my lack of light. When the set time comes God is well able to reveal Himself to a yet unbelieving Israe. God got Paul the persecutor of Christians in one fell swoop on the road to Damascus and will be well able to redeem Israel at the set time.

Blessings.

Thsanks for your reply.

You stated,

"As for the speaker not mentioning Israel, is it always necessary to mention Israel when talking about bible prophecy?

I reckon we must stand with Israel at any cost

If anyone believes that Israel has any light is greatly deceived."

Concentrating on Israel's present unbelief ONLY misses the point of much of biblical prophecy in my opinion. What does Israel's present unbelief have to do with continuing to stand with and pray for them because we believe that all that prophecy has stated regarding thioer eventual destiny in Christ will be fulfilled? The pastor who baptized me in water used to tell people that he wouldn't touch me with a 40 foot pole. Then one day I showed up at his church and told him I hade become converted to Christ and he was astonished. That's not blowing my own horn but I remember it well. He said it was an extraordinarly lesson for him. He had been focused on my lack of light. When the set time comes God is well able to reveal Himself to a yet unbelieving Israel. God got Paul the persecutor of Christians in one fell swoop on the road to Damascus and will be well able to redeem Israel at the set time.

Blessings.

Thsanks for your reply.

You stated,

"As for the speaker not mentioning Israel, is it always necessary to mention Israel when talking about bible prophecy?

I reckon we must stand with Israel at any cost

If anyone believes that Israel has any light is greatly deceived."

Concentrating on Israel's present unbelief ONLY misses the point of much of biblical prophecy in my opinion. What does Israel's present unbelief have to do with continuing to stand with and pray for them because we believe that all that prophecy has stated regarding their eventual destiny in Christ will be fulfilled? The pastor who baptized me in water used to tell people that he wouldn't touch me with a 40 foot pole. Then one day I showed up at his church and told him I hade become converted to Christ and he was astonished. That's not blowing my own horn but I remember it well. He said it was an extraordinarly lesson for him. He had been focused on my lack of light. When the set time comes God is well able to reveal Himself to a yet unbelieving Israel. God got Paul the persecutor of Christians in one fell swoop on the road to Damascus and will be well able to redeem Israel at the set time.

Blessings.

I have no idea why my post "Reply to Approved" showed up so many times. If you can delete two of them please go ahead.

Thank you.

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2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

If anyone believes that Israel has any light is greatly deceived.
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Standing with them would show them mercy, they have rejected God by rejecting his Son true, but our God is merciful and because of that we are merciful.

Those who have been forgiven much love much.