Love will always limit our liberty

Love will always limit our liberty. When love ceases transgressions increase to destroy the soul; with the disposition greatly weakened and now being without restraints or ability to resist, the intensity of self-gratification becomes overpowering. Lust now decides, not God!

It was not the unilateral power of God that won the victory for Jesus but Jesus’ love and allegiance to the Father that could only release God’s Power to Him for the victory.
The victory must be from man alone for it to accomplish the full purposes of God for having created him. With the complete devotion of His Heart revealed to Father, God withheld nothing from Jesus. Though sin would continually couch at His door, His love TO God kept Satan at bay. This is why Jesus was crowned by God and highly exalted by Him. This why it will be Jesus, "SON of MAN" coming again in clouds of Glory!

He that has my commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. - John 14:21\t

Keep yourselves in the love of God... - Jude 1:21

Amen! We must strive to do it as Jesus did and for the same reasons He did it. That's kingdom 'speak' to me. cf John 17:3.

Hello Croref,

You wrote: "The victory must be from man alone for it to accomplish the full purposes of God for having created him."

Without Jesus we are nothing. We may feel we have learned something but without His Grace, even the things we think we know will not be remembered and we will be lost. The victory was Jesus on the cross and now sitting at the Right Hand of God.

ws

by White_Stone on 2012/11/22 7:47:18

Hello Croref,

You wrote: "The victory must be from man alone for it to accomplish the full purposes of God for having created him."

Without Jesus we are nothing. We may feel we have learned something but without His Grace, even the things we think we know will not be remembered and we will be lost. The victory was Jesus on the cross and now sitting at the Right Hand of God.

ws

Given what I wrote, why do you conclude I don't understand all that??

Could Jesus do it without the Father?? Can we do without the Father? OMT, this is not about our salvation but becoming in Him what was purposed for us to become AFTER our being saved by Father's, grace.

Croref, I also had a problem understanding this phrase, "The victory must be from man alone for it to accomplish the full purposes of God..."

All the victories I have experience came with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. I could never accomplish any alone.

QUOTE:
" Given what I wrote, why do you conclude I don't understand all that??"

Croref, not everybody reads all your posts... So, yes, I am still puzzled about this phrase. Perhaps you could clarify?

ginnyrose

by ginnyrose on 2012/11/22 20:18:56

Croref, I also had a problem understanding this phrase, "The victory must be from man alone for it to accomplish the full purposes of God..."

All the victories I have experience came with the assistance of the Holy Spirit. I could never accomplish any alone.

What assistance did you get that your love did not generate?

QUOTE:
" Given what I wrote, why do you conclude I don't understand all that??"

Croref, not everybody reads all your posts... So, yes, I am still puzzled about this phrase. Perhaps you could clarify?

ginnyrose

Do you the one that has to do with obedience?

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"Do you the one that has to do with obedience?"
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Croref, may I ask? do you live in a foreign country where you just learned to read/speak English? The reason I ask is because this question is confusing - it seems to lack a few words, which leaves me guessing what you mean.

So, I am assuming you are asking "does God not expect obedience?" To this question I will say "Yes." Without obedience we will not see the LORD.

Are we understanding each other now?

And will love TO Him not give it without Him asking?

Ginny,

You're right.

He does speak another language.

What kind of a reply was that?

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"And will love TO Him not give it without Him asking?"
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Am I assuming you are asking if our love to God should not be voluntary, given of our own free will? If so, yes. But scripture also informs us that "we love Him because he first loved us." 1John 4:19. Sometimes we feel our love for God lacking - it is not as intense as it should be. When this happens, we must ask Him for help and he so delightedly infuses us with his love so we can love him more. Does this make sense?

by enid on 2012/11/23 7:23:40

Ginny,

You're right.

He does speak another language.

What kind of a reply was that?

It means your love that you say you have "for" God is not in your back pocket.

What was that New commandment Jesus gave us? Let me think, hmmm??

This thread now sounds to me like:

Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Croef,

What I initally wanted was confirmation that you and I were indeed following the same Lord. Your posts and replies seem purposfully cryptic. When I first read one of them, I felt you wanted to challenge others to think out the meaning. But, like John Baptist, I was not certain and asked confirmation. Sorry if others asking the same thing feels like we are 'piling on.' I do not believe that is the intent. My question was not given in a judgmental spirit. If you remember our first interaction was positive. I felt a connection then but there seems to be interferance was positive. Hope it can be straightened out.

regards, white stone

EDIT: I went back and slowly reread your original post in this thread and have a clearer understanding of your meaning and, I believe, your intention. To that post I say, Yes, it is the love shown to the Father that enabled Jesus to withstand. My comment is that within myself, my own power, I do not have the love necessary, it is only the love that I receive from Him that I can give Him.

Please, forgive me for starting this line of posting and let me offer some of that love to you, too. :)

by White_Stone on 2012/11/23 10:41:23

This thread now sounds to me like:

Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Croef,

What I initally wanted was confirmation that you and I were indeed following the same Lord. Your posts and replies seem purposfully cryptic. When I first read one of them, I felt you wanted to challenge others to think out the meaning. But, like John Baptist, I was not certain and asked confirmation. Sorry if others asking the same thing feels like we are 'piling on.' I do not believe that is the intent. My question was not given in a judgmental spirit. If you remember our first interaction was positive. I felt a connection then but there seems to be interferance was positive. Hope it can be straightened out.

regards, white stone

EDIT: I went back and slowly reread your original post in this thread and have a clearer understanding of your meaning and, I believe, your intention. To that post I say, Yes, it is the love shown to the Father that enabled Jesus to withstand. My comment is that within myself, my own power, I do not have the love necessary, it is only the love that I receive from Him that I can give Him.

Please, forgive me for starting this line of posting and let me offer some of that love to you, too. :)

Thank you WS!

You are correct in your assumptions. I am trying to get folk away from the traditional pat understanding of salvation and into what God is after first in us and then from us that we succeed as He has purposed, i.e., be the expression of Himself in the world, a light in darkness, if you will.

One thing: We have His love than we might learn what loving Him is all about__from a freewill. If we embrace His purpose then He looks for our love, our allegiance that it be fulfilled.__that is purely our responsibility. cf 1 Pet 1:22 and then tell me if it is Him that does it.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten life that whosoever believes in Him with all their heart, soul, mind and strength, will never live a wasted life.__Guaranteed!!