Goshen Nurses Lose Jobs After Refusing Flu Vaccination

Its simple right! Just require the nurses to sign an agreement which allows the local authority to throw them into jail for five years if they themselves are become an infectious source and a patient dies because in their weakened state they cannot fight the flue virus. Its religion gone mad. Its a hospital right. They are not teachers or fire men or police officers. What a load of nonsense. Rights and religion gone mad!

todays miracle drug is tomorrows nightmare.

What is going on is a spirtual and a culture war proudpapa

Sometimes brother we have to simply apply a little common sense to our lives. Then after that a little more common sense. Then after that a little less religion and so on. Those who work on the land have to do the same. Do you follow the recommendations of a man who has successfully mastered a technique for preserving his crops or do you eat. There is a cultural issue you are right. In this instance it is the culture of rights. There is a spiritual issue as well. It has nothing to do with a vaccine or the body which is already dead in sin and is perishing as we speak it has to do with death outright. Which is exactly what happens to millions of people every year who's immune systems are weak or else dying and they get this virus. No doubt this nurse has the faith to share with those thousands of children who died of the flue last year in the USA that they all went to heaven. Or perhaps if we ourselves are really religious we might find the faith to encourage all those middle aged parents who lost their children's grandparents of flue that because they are old and "nice" they too went straight to heaven. Or perhaps we should just take the view that all death is just in the hands of God and so it is of no consequence at all. Where does common sense come in and so called religious freedom go out. If you read the article the phrase is really quiet clear.

“My family and I take natural products for our well-being and health. It’s our way of life and God expects us to use products in a natural form,” Schrock said. “It’s the way we believe every day.” Did you get that brother a direct quote. "its the way we believe every day". Since when did that which goes into the body have anything to do with "believing". Does God really expect His children to use products in their natural form? Where are we instructed in this?

You don't have to have a religious mindset to comprehend or have a concern about the use of synthetic drugs. Yet whilst the H1N1 flue jab is a synthetic it does not pose a risk to the recipient getting flue as a result of having the virus as the old cultured virus did. The only risk it poses is a mild allergic reaction to the preservative in the vaccination. The article talks about seven nurses in particular declining to submit the necessary paper work by the due date although eight nurses are referred to one nurse is said to have retracted. No one was lined up against their will and forcibly injected with a wonder drug. Nor were any aborted babies used in the manufacture of the flue jab.

Some of us have to live with the reality of medical ethics all the days of our lives it is no mere religious liberty. My son Daniel is brain damaged simply because a doctor drew a line in the sand in order to write a medical book on the treatment of hypo-glycemia. In His mercy the Lord gave us Daniel's name 1 week after he was conceived with such certainty that we knew him before he was born. This was God' mercy to us. But it did not prevent the doctor doing his thing. Do I blame God? Certainly not! Perhaps I should focus on the Doctor. If I did brother I would be consumed with anger and then I would destroy him.! Or do I just accept that as long as we live in this body of sin we will have tribulation and contention in this life. Religious liberty is a myth made in the USA.

If we simply equate “sorceries” to “pharmaceuticals” we will have missed the most pressing reality of the meaning of that word which is used most clearly in context in Galatians 5:20. Sorcery is a fruit of the flesh. And as you point out it is the link between the physical body and the soul which makes for the reality. Yet the physical reality has to do with the very thing which God Himself created; being a chemical factory of more complexity than any pharmacist is capable of understanding even to this very hour. The relationship between body chemistry and the cognisant soul is at the very heart of what sorcery means apart from anything we ingest to enhance that effect. As a matter of reality those who practise sorcery do not need to take “drugs” to do it and are capable of remaining healthy and well in the process. The spirit however does not have a part in what is called sorcery. For those who are sorcerers and unbelievers their spirits are dead, not only to God but to the man as well. The spirit is inaccessible and untouchable in this way. For those who are made alive to God then there is the likelihood that they will also know something of their spirits as well. It is when believers walk in their natural minds that they are still likely to practise a form of sorcery because they simply do not understand the reality of it.

The nurses in this article no doubt have their own personal reasons as to why they do not want to be vaccinated. But what has that to do with physical reality which extends beyond any understanding of the complexity of vaccines and the certain knowledge that the flu kills people who are vulnerable to it. More people died in the 18 months after the first world war of flu than died in the whole of the war itself by a great measure. Flu is biological war surpassing war itself. It is absolutely lethal for children and old people alike. These are nurses working in a hospital environment. One of these nurses worked in Oncology. Every single on of her patients in Oncology, is vulnerable to flu. All that is being asked of her is to take a flu jab in order to protect her patients from the possibility of her infecting them with the virus. Each of these nurses have taken their living from the hospital and have by their own admission benefitted greatly in life from it. They have had there children, come and gone from their employment to do so, and have in every way been well served and cared for themselves. As the article states.

Beyond this they were also given no less than three opportunities to make a case for exception on the grounds of religious conviction. Is there anything sinister in this? Perhaps there is if you accept the inevitability of the conflict which lies ahead. As I see it what lies ahead cannot be avoided and moreover the process by which to resist believers in the future is being learned now by these means. Daniel sought exemption from eating the kings food. He laid himself on the line and boasted that he would prosper more by a simple diet than by the complexity of eating the kings diet. He was given his chance and in it God sustained him and prospered him Do we believe in God’ sovereignty or not. So as I said if these nurses had been offered a contract of consequence in which they were required to accept five years in prison for every patient who died from flue and who came into contact with them, would that have been sufficient proof of faith or not? I rather think they would have seen it as absurd. It is equally absurd to claim that because the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit we cannot therefore take reasonable precautions to protect others whose care we have a responsibility for. When it came to idolatry Daniel made no such request for exception but went straight to his chamber to prepare for the inevitable. That is what we should doing. Preparing and not objecting.

One thing which is easily missed in all of this has to do with liberties which are exercised by the "patients" when they sue hospitals because they have been harmed by a member of staff. Just this morning I took my son to hospital and as always I am aware that hospitals are the most disease ridden places in Daniel's life. That is however unavoidable if he is to get his new boots to help him walk. So what can I do? It would be surprising in the extreme if a patient were ill and then were asked not to attend the hospital because they are ill. Somewhat self defeating I think. On the other hand nurses do have the power to make sensible decisions about the likely hood of them giving a vulnerable patient the flu. Not only this but has anyone seen the bill for sick days of hospital staff recently. Its your tax dollars. How is the hospital going to ensure the health of their staff if by nature their patients are full of disease. Daniel agreed that in the end if his claim did not prove to be true and full he would eat the kings food. He made no such promise with regard to idolatry. Well the king (hospital) wouldn't listen. What then? Where does idolatry lie? Is it in claiming our bodies are made perfect and so don't need medicating, or is it claiming our rights.

those dear women.....i might have mentioned this. i've always taken a flu shot since the winter of 2006, because my job at that time, required me to have direct contact with many people during the flu season, and i thought it prudent to do this....and thanks be to God, during that time period, 2006-09, never any flu.

this last year, 2012, i took a flu shot again, however on New Years day, i took ill. my health is such, that even having a temperature, means i have to go the ER at once, because it could be something life threatening.

i spent the first 5 days of 2013 in the hospital, it seems i had influenza type "A", i guess this years flu shot didnt work. my temperature never got above 100.1, nor was it 'stomach flu'....but they kept me 5 days, and you all know, they dont keep you 5 days in the hospital, unless something's "wrong" with you.

i wrote that, because maybe thats why i have seemed out of sorts to you, my brothers and sisters. Bill, ProudPapa, i'm thinking about you two brothers.....like i said, if i had posted anything to anybody that did not seem loving or Christ-like, i do beg your forgiveness....and that includes you two men...contention, backbiting is not my 'food'.

Saints, i dont what it is, but "something" in the very atmosphere seems OFF...like the stillness before a very big storm, i pray i'm wrong. much love to all in Christ Jesus, neil

thanks for giving me grace brother...my name is neil....Hez Welling is a pen name....again, your grace to me, means a LOT...i should not have been getting that 'amped' up...sometimes i do, but Praise the Name of Jesus, He will bring me around to see my shortcomings and failures in fellowship...at least we can BOTH be transparent and authentic with one another via the Ministry of Christ and Him Crucified, and His Love.

That RIGHT THERE is the Blessed Testimony of Jesus....that we change the "cd" of how people just fuss and fight with one another, we dont let the enemy grab ahold of us....we belong to Jesus, and thats good, you are loved, neil

Question I have is, did the President and Vice President get a flu shot? This should tell you a lot. Mr BillPro

I believe they did Mr Bill Pro. I found the link but unfortunately the language associated with the shot of President Obama getting the jab is too offensive to post. Still the President at least did get the vaccine shot and its on line. Its not difficult to understand the concern which arrises from things that go wrong. But the benefit overall is overwhelmingly in favour of the vaccine. If we have a choice in the matter then I guess we should make an informed judgement ourselves.