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sermonindex Jan 24, 2013

2 Thessalonians 5:3

While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly as, labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

I just listened to the message by Denny Kenniston on the upcoming persecution around the world. Denny said ge would take surveys and ask how many Christians believe persecution is coming to America. He would say about 75% would raise tbeir hand. Preparing for it was another matter.

I am courious forum. How many of you believe persecution is coming to America to those who believe in Jesus? How many of you really believe we will be hunted as animals and put in box cars and taken to death camps because of our faith in Jesus? How many of you believe tbe Bible will be declared illegal? And to own one will be imprisonment and death? How many of you believe you will lose your homes and possessions for your faith in Christ? How many if you believe you will be meeting in underground fellowships and caves for your faith in Christ? How many if you believe you will be tortured or imorisoned or even martyred for your faith ob Christ?

How many of you believe tbe above will occur here in America? Or how many believe this us all a fantasy that can never happen here?

Just wondering.

Bearmaster.

sermonindex Jan 24, 2013

Sorry something got posted twice. Mods please delete other thread.

Bearmaster.

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makrothumia Jan 24, 2013

This type of physical persecution may indeed be on the horizon, but it might be just what the doctor ordered for our "spiritual sleep disorder."

Those forced into box cars and prison camps will not have the many worldly "pleasures" to distract them. Thus they will have far more reason to pray without ceasing.

Love of pleasure has served the enemy so well, to lull millions to sleep.

We are never told to fear those who can kill the body and after this do no more. We are told to watch out that we not be deceived, and that our hearts not become weighted down with anxiety and dissipation.

Those who would forcibly remove all our possessions will be placing us in a far better position to fix our affections on things above.

The church is being decimated by comfort and ease.

I will not fear what might be so great a blessing. No man can take my Lord from me, let them have all the things that distract my attention.

makrothumia

sermonindex Jan 24, 2013

Amen Makrothumia: "No man can take my Lord from me, let them have all the things that distract my attention."

Yes bearmaster, I believe persecution is coming because the Lord is a jealous God and because He has chosen these things to purify His church. It is clear all through the scriptures and church history that the Lord chastens those whom He loves. If they persecuted the Lord then how much more will they persecute those who are walking in the same manner as He walked? Again, once we are walking as He walked then persecution will come.

"The blood of the Marytrs is the seed of the Church" (Tertullian).

Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Not my will, but Thine be done. May the Lamb who was slain receive the reward of His suffering.

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DEADn Jan 24, 2013

I don't believe Christians are going to be persecuted to the point of being put into boxcars and hunted as animals. I don't believe we will lose our homes because of our faith either. I believe these are mere conspiracy theories for they are fun to hear and fun to jump on the trend pile but I don't agree that persecution will come to that extreme.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

T
twayneb Jan 25, 2013

We in America have a pretty unique perspective on persecution. I have been made fun of because I followed Christ, but that is about it. Because of the historic roots of our nation, we have grown accustomed to the peace and security that or nation had experienced. My grandparents and my parents recall a day when most people did not lock their doors, even when away for av few days, because the majority of peeler, though perhaps not bitten again, had a primarily judeo-Christian ethic. As a result we are often blind to the utter depravity that can exist in unregenerate man. I have no idea what persecution may come. Perhaps I will be a martyr. Perhaps I will never be more than merely teased. I cannot tell. But I do need to be so sold out to the Lord that He is my all and so that my very breath is His. I think preparation for persecution consists simply of daily walking near to Him.When and if that time comes, what is really on the inside will be revealed clearly...no more facade.

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twayneb Jan 25, 2013

sorry for the duplicate posts. had some cell phone issues.

sermonindex Jan 25, 2013


I believe it is coming. And upon the entire world in the end times. (Matthew 24).

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jimp Jan 25, 2013

hi,the hebrew children were put into a fiery furnace over heated and Jesus came and cooled the oven. daniel was put in the lions den and God shut the mouths of the lions.the prophet was by the brook and hungry and God sent a bird to feed him.Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish.although i walk through the valley of the shadow of death i will fear no evil...God fed millions of jews in the wilderness and we are worried?we serve a mighty God who loves us and gave His Son to die for us.jimp

sermonindex Jan 25, 2013

But will you blow off Paul Washer?. Again I ask will you blow off Paul Washer? In the SI archives is a warning he gave at the SI conference on tbe Fear of God. He gave a 5 minute admonition where be warned the American church to expect intense persecution.

Our brother said while we are playing soccer mom and soccer dad.persecution will encircle like a net. We will be declared as enemies of the state. He said we will lose our possessions. I.am unable to call up the link. Hopefully someone else can.

Paul Washer is respected by many in this forum. Hopefully his message will be heeded.

Bearmaster

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jimp Jan 25, 2013

hi, i serve a risen saviour and He loves me.15 years ago i lived in a mansion and collected rents from 5 dwellings. i live in a room. adorm room with a shared bath with no kitchen. i am happier now than when i lived on the golf course(once an idol)God still suppies all of my needs.if i die it is an advance.God is not an ogre out to get you.my own son lives in va. and is now 70 miles away from me in N.o. la. he is with a grandson i have not seen since he was an infant and he is to busy to come see me. i understand and love him the same if he comes or not. i used to watch moms and dads get on a bus to go to prison(angola)to visit the sons that stole from them and put their lives in peril.parents love their children and my Abba loves me.jimp

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