sin is sin, no matter what kind, or type of sin it is, no matter id the person is a Christian, male or female , married or not, the end result of sin is death.
no matter who you are or what sin you did, how often you sin, the sin still separates you from God
Right??
Any scriptures to show what you mean?
I guess basically what I saying .... is this..
Is there a difference between sins, and who the person is that is sinning ?
example:
two friends confront each other's sinning behavior and the lies they told each other...
one friend has the Holy Ghost & baptized in water in Jesus Christ's name( a Christian) were to commit adultery which is a sin, and has to cover up that sin with lies is sinning.
the other friend who has been baptized in Jesus Christ's name , does NOT have the Holy Ghost ( a non-Christian) was getting plastered drunk everyday and lies to cover up that sin,
during the confrontation the Christian tells his friend "I sin because of my flesh, i will be forgiven and when i fall
I shall rise again ... and tells his friend he his God's enemy because he keeps sinning and not living according to God's word.
Can someone help me understand the difference ... once a Christian becomes a Christian, he may fall back into sin. Is the Christian excluded to repent .... truly repent?
Maybe I don't understand what repentance is... I thought it meant you don't want to continue sinning and will remove the things in your life to keep the temptations at bay
No one is ever excluded from repenting, any thought that comes to your mind should be cast down, yes God is a Holy God and expects us to live a Holy life, but he will never turn away a repentant sinner.
He is our Father he waits for our return, he longs for to return to his bosom.
I am a Father and I have two sons there is nothing that can change the love for those boys, are they perfect, no but I love them never the less.
This is the heart of God, our heavenly Father. Go back to Him. He loves you.
There is a very important distinction between "sin" and "sin" that we do not want to miss.
Paul understood this and explained it in his letter to the Romans. There is a "sin", an act that misses the mark, transgresses a specific command, and/or falls short of the glory of God. This type of action is a "sin".
Then there is "sin", the law that subjects us as slaves. The "sin" which we offer our members to as "slaves of sin."
This is the "sin" that the Law exposes. If it were not for the commandment, Paul would not have known "sin". For this "law of sin" or "sin" indwelling our members, is not revealed or known apart from the Law. But this "sin" seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment deceived us, and through the commandment put us to death. The Law, which is holy, righteous, and good, becomes a death sentance to us so that we might discover why the good we would do, we can not, and why the evil which we would not do, we end up doing. Through that which is holy, righteous and good - we discover another law at work in our members - we discover the law of "sin". This is the ultimate purpose of the Law. It reveals "sin" in our members and we cry out "oh wretched man that I am."
So we can see there is a very important distinction between "sin" the act, and "sin" the law in our members.
In, fact, it is likely that of all the references in the book of Romans - "sin" the act is mentioned only a handful of times (nouns and verbs included together) , whereas "sin" the law in our members is the main focus of Paul.
makrothumia
To see the difference - look at Romans chapter 6 specifically, and you will see that "sin" the act, is referenced only 1 time.
"SIN" the law in our members is referenced 16 times.
In Chapter 7 "sin" the act is referenced only 1 time again,
"SIN" the law in our members is referenced 14 times.
Excellent point makrothumia, we have a dual problem and blessed be the Lord, He has provided a dual remedy! Watchman Nee wrote the following in his book The Normal Christian Life;
Thus in the first eight chapters of Romans two aspects of salvation are presented to us: firstly, the forgiveness of our sins, and secondly, our deliverance from sin. But now, in keeping with this fact, we must notice a further difference.
In the first part of Romans 1 to 8, we twice have reference to the Blood of the Lord Jesus, in chapter 3:25 and in chapter 5:9. In the second, a new idea is introduced in chapter 6:6, where we are said to have been "crucified" with Christ. The argument of the first part gathers round that aspect of the work of the Lord Jesus which is represented by ‘the Blood’ shed for our justification
through “the remission of sins”. This terminology is however not carried on into the second section, where the argument centers now in the aspect of His work represented by ‘the Cross’, that is to say, by our union with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. This distinction is a valuable one. We shall see that the Blood deals with what we have done, whereas the Cross deals with what we are. The Blood disposes of our sins, while the Cross strikes at the root of our capacity for sin.
-excerpted from Chapter 1: The Blood of Christ
I thank you for everyone that commented. However I'm still not understanding ...
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Thank you 4gvn... for letting us know that you still have a question. Yes, sin can separate you from God, if you allow it to take its full course. "Sin when it is fully developed (Greek word indicates achieving its end) engenders death. This death is separation from God.
We can commit a "sin", an act of disobedience, without allowing that "sin" to reach its end. The Holy Spirit will convict us of that "sin" to free us from it, and we need only to repent and confess (which means to agree by saying the same as the Spirit) and that "sin" will be forgiven and we will be cleansed from its unrighteous influence and effect.
If we only deal with the individual "sins" and fail to recognize the root cause - "the law of sin in our members", then we are in much greater danger of separation from God. Unless we strike at the root the fruit will keep coming! This is why we need to understand how to become "fully united with Him in the likeness of His death." This spiritual union happens as we look in faith to the cross of Christ and realize that "our old man was crucified with Him, in order that the body of sin might be renedered powerless, so that we should no longer serve sin." Those who are no longer slaves to sin, are in much greater protection from sin than those attempting to battle against sin in their own pitiful weakness.
This union with Christ, strikes at the root of "indwelling sin" and circumcises our old nature so that we are "no longer IN the flesh, but IN the Spirit, One spirit with Christ." This union is a dynamic change of nature, as we are transferred from sin being our master, to a new man, united with Christ in Spirit, and freed from the law of sin so that we may walk in newness of life.
Those who fully recognize this new dynamic union with and IN Christ, experience His grace reigning in righteousness. As we learn to abide in Christ, and to be led by His Spirit, we will stop fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. This new life is freedom from the dominating power of sin. We will still be tempted to sin, and suffer just like Christ Jesus suffered when He was tempted, but we will learn obedience through the things we suffer and grow stronger in Spirit as we endure tribulation.
We escape the corruption that is in the world through lusts when we become partakers of His devine nature. This participation allows us to give all diligence to add to our faith, so that we are abounding in the provisions of grace found in Christ. Doing these things, we will never fall, and we will make our calling and election sure, because we are being transformed with ever increasing glory into Christ image.
This is the surest way to prevent sin from separating us from God. We need to look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. He began the work by atoning for our sins, forgiving us our sins and reconciling us to His Father. He continues to work to free us from sin, redeem us from all lawlessness and purify us until we are zealous for good works. Those who learn to abide in Him in this way can not go on sinning, because He abides in us and keeps us.
please let me know if this is unclear.
This passage in I Corinthians should clear up any confusion:
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Both sins that you mentioned are in the list and both have the same death sentence against them: “neither … shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
Regardless of a person’s religious activity, if there is not a clean and complete BREAK with the sin, as described in verse 11, such a person CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God!
Jesus said plainly:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Until a person actually becomes a habitual DOER of the Word, and makes a clean break with all known sin, there is no evidence that the new birth has happened in such a life.
Religious activity and emotional fervor only serve as self-deceivers when not accompanied by a holy life.
Thank you 4gvn... for letting us know that you still have a question. Yes, sin can separate you from God, if you allow it to take its full course. "Sin when it is fully developed (Greek word indicates achieving its end) engenders death. This death is separation from God.We can commit a "sin", an act of disobedience, without allowing that "sin" to reach its end. The Holy Spirit will convict us of that "sin" to free us from it, and we need only to repent and confess (which means to agree by saying the same as the Spirit) and that "sin" will be forgiven and we will be cleansed from its unrighteous influence and effect.
If we only deal with the individual "sins" and fail to recognize the root cause - "the law of sin in our members", then we are in much greater danger of separation from God. Unless we strike at the root the fruit will keep coming! This is why we need to understand how to become "fully united with Him in the likeness of His death." This spiritual union happens as we look in faith to the cross of Christ and realize that "our old man was crucified with Him, in order that the body of sin might be renedered powerless, so that we should no longer serve sin." Those who are no longer slaves to sin, are in much greater protection from sin than those attempting to battle against sin in their own pitiful weakness.
This union with Christ, strikes at the root of "indwelling sin" and circumcises our old nature so that we are "no longer IN the flesh, but IN the Spirit, One spirit with Christ." This union is a dynamic change of nature, as we are transferred from sin being our master, to a new man, united with Christ in Spirit, and freed from the law of sin so that we may walk in newness of life.
Those who fully recognize this new dynamic union with and IN Christ, experience His grace reigning in righteousness. As we learn to abide in Christ, and to be led by His Spirit, we will stop fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. This new life is freedom from the dominating power of sin. We will still be tempted to sin, and suffer just like Christ Jesus suffered when He was tempted, but we will learn obedience through the things we suffer and grow stronger in Spirit as we endure tribulation.
We escape the corruption that is in the world through lusts when we become partakers of His devine nature. This participation allows us to give all diligence to add to our faith, so that we are abounding in the provisions of grace found in Christ. Doing these things, we will never fall, and we will make our calling and election sure, because we are being transformed with ever increasing glory into Christ image.
This is the surest way to prevent sin from separating us from God. We need to look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. He began the work by atoning for our sins, forgiving us our sins and reconciling us to His Father. He continues to work to free us from sin, redeem us from all lawlessness and purify us until we are zealous for good works. Those who learn to abide in Him in this way can not go on sinning, because He abides in us and keeps us.
please let me know if this is unclear.
Very well laid out and very clear to me. Thank you! I was a bit unclear as to what you and Ron were saying, too. But now you have brought clarity and I heartily agree and say AMEN!
He continues to work to free us from sin, redeem us from all lawlessness and purify us until we are zealous for good works. Those who learn to abide in Him in this way can not go on sinning, because He abides in us and keeps us.
Excellent statement! This is what I see in the scriptures from the witness of the Spirit.
Jesus Christ did not come just to forgive us. He did not come to save us IN our sin but to save us FROM sin and to make us whole again (NOW), and free to function as He intends for us to function in this life.
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