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FOSTER MOM IN CONN. FACES 100 DAYS IN JAIL FOR OBEYING THE BIBLE.

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Lordoitagain May 21, 2013

A foster mother faces 100 days in prison after acknowledging she spanked a 4-year-old girl with a wooden spoon.

Jami Littlefield, 51, of Griswold, pleaded guilty Monday in Superior Court in Norwich to third-degree assault. She told authorities she paddled the girl in January because she was acting out, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

http://www.standard-journal.com/news/news_ap/article_0089248f-3afa-561d-bd90-52555b6e5e50.html

Another article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/conn-foster-mother-acknowledges-spanking-girl-4-with-wooden-spoon-pleads-guilty-to-assault/2013/05/21/4a9b0532-c219-11e2-9642-a56177f1cdf7_story.html#

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OF COURSE! What else are you supposed to do when your child is "acting out"??? This world is SO messed up!!! I believe that a wooden spoon would fit the description of a "rod". God's Word has the answer! This poor mom is facing 100 days in jail for obeying God's Word.

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

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Lysa May 21, 2013


"bruises on her daughter’s buttocks"... are you kidding me, Lordoitagain? She's a four year old. Please tell me what four year deserves to have bruises left on their behind? You cannot stand behind bruising a toddler as punishment, can you? Well, I guess you did.

Before you get upset at me over my response, I spanked my sons, even borderline whipped/beat them a time or two but I can stand before God and you to say that the almost beatings they got was because "I," their mother, lost my temper NOT because they (as children) were so bad they deserved it.

And of course, all the fundamentalist christians are going to fall in behind this foster "mother." Oh please.

God help us all,
Lisa

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romanchog May 21, 2013

Lisa:
I agree with you that most of the time when we use the "rod" it is in anger and not in correction. I have noticed that I have resorted more to it when I am emotionally distraught (dealing still with sorrow because of the death of my husband). This realization made me come up with other forms of punishment that do not involve any form of "spanking" so that I do not take my anger/impatience/frustration/sorrow out on a child that simply needs to be disciplined. I think as Christians, we need to teach that the rod is to be used sparingly and only if not done in anger, otherwise it is NOT done with God's intent, because the "wrath of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God." James 1:20

I agree that this woman was not correct and reacted in anger. Note that she is not the mother, which is I think a very important point.

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TMK May 21, 2013

My dad had a knack of being able to administer corporal punishment without it being in anger. Probably because he told us to go into the den and wait about 10 minutes-- and probably too because he was a HS principal when paddlings were still the norm.

I think it is generally true that most parents paddle when they lose their temper. I believe it is possible not to do so (like my dad) but i think that i rare.

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narrowpath May 21, 2013

The bible says in Eph 4:26
26 “Be angry, and do not sin”

Nothing wrong if you are angry and do not sin. We sin when the anger goes into the flesh and vindicative rather than bringing about God's indignation. Yes God is also angry at misbehaving children but his anger turns children to correct their behaviour and keep them on a healthy course. This way they learn respect and are kept by the fear of God which leads to wisdom.

4 year olds are not given to much reason. A little smack, a few drops of hot tears and a hug later on will turn their little storm clouds soon into fair whether. Why do you think that God designed kids bottoms lined with a lot of chub ? If the ears of reason do not work, the bottom will need to feel the impact thought they are well padded and designed with nerve endings that report to the young brain: BAD! Even animals discipline their young.

It also says in Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.

Again the problem is not with anger per se but causeless anger that elevates my self and oppresses my brothers. Righteous anger always holds up God standard and will bring about godly, lifegiving correction.
It is alright to identify with God's anger, even Jesus did that on a few occasions.

In the old days even teachers were allowed to spank children. I whish they still were. I got smacked by my teacher last in 1969 and I never forgot it :)

It saddens me to read that this godly foster mom got jailed.


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Lordoitagain May 21, 2013

Lysa, Do you believe in the Bible as the one and only authority for your life? Regardless of what your experiences have been in disciplining, God's Word is the ONLY authority that matters, and all other opinions that are to the contrary will pass away with the rest of this world and be forgotten, but those who obey God's word will accomplish God's eternal will.

If you fail to administer the rod and reproof your children will bring you shame ... regardless of our modern society's ideas about it.

It is almost impossible to use a rod (or anything similar) and not leave marks on the child, but God's word has the wisdom that works. It doesn't mean that the rod must be used continuously. If it is administered with much instruction from an early age it does wonders for the child for the rest of his life (I know from experience THANK GOD). It is not needed as much if it is used with much instruction and MUCH LOVE in earlier ages.

The 4 year old was beating up on another child and speaking things that she shouldn't have. Of course she needs the rod applied! If it leaves marks on her bottom, they will go away, but if she is allowed to continue that kind of action without the rod being applied, she will be in and out of jail later on in life. You may be thinking of many other alternatives, but NOTHING works as well as what our Creator ordered. He made us! He knows what is best for us!

Please meditate on these verses, and accept them into your heart for obedience, and do not rebel against your Creator:

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

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Lysa May 22, 2013

by narrowpath
Yes God is also angry at misbehaving children but his anger turns children to correct their behaviour and keep them on a healthy course.

What age “children” are you talking about here, narrowpath? Are you talking about adults who are the children of God or are you honestly talking about toddlers? God is honestly “ANGRY” with toddlers????

I honestly believe that there is a horrible misconception among Christians about “who” God actually wastes his anger on and I don’t think it’s a four year old!! God is NOT angry at misbehaving toddlers; they are doing what they are created to do... learn by trial and error. It’s the parents who are to lead them in love to be obedient. And yes, discipline will be needed and that takes all forms but not bruises.

Yes God is also angry at misbehaving children but his anger turns children to correct their behaviour and keep them on a healthy course.

If this is actually logical, why are there so many serial killers? Why didn't God’s anger against them as children correct them?

I for one am glad she was found out and disciplined. I hate that she has to go to jail for 100 days... losing her foster care license and going to about 25 hours of parental classes should have been enough.

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Lysa May 22, 2013

Lordoitagain wrote:
Lysa, Do you believe in the Bible as the one and only authority for your life?

Yes, brother, I do which is why I produce the following scriptures for you to meditate on as well and accept into your heart and not rebel against your Creator:

Ro 13:8b for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

It’s also interesting, Lordoitagain, that the Bible was not mentioned in either article; that was something you brought to the table (the discussion); so beating children must be something that you cling to for some reason.

Lordoitagain wrote:
The 4 year old was beating up on another child and speaking things that she shouldn't have.

Well, that’s according to the woman who “repeated struck the child with a blunt instrument”!!! That alone should make her testimony suspect.

I still stand as a witness that toddlers do not need to be beat leaving bruises on their little behinds. That is only done by someone who uses the Bible for an excuse to beat a child.

We must agree to disagree on this subject.

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Lordoitagain May 22, 2013

Lysa,

It saddens me that you reject the Bible as authority and accept modern destructive satanic ideology which CLEARLY is against what the Bible teaches.

Read this verse:
Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

If you don't use a rod on your child you HATE your child. If you love him you chasten him often!

Lets look at the verses you mentioned:

Ro 13:8b for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


You are working a hateful ill to your child that you DO NOT love if you do not use a rod on him. Read what this verse says:

Pro 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

That foolishness that will one day destroy the child's life can ONLY be driven away by a rod. THAT IS WHAT IS CLEARLY SAYS, Lysa.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

If you beat him (like these verses mention) you may think he will die ... (when my dad would whip me, I would scream out as if I were dying, exaggerating ... I'm glad that he didn't let up) ... but if you REALLY love him you will take the measures necessary to see the foolishness driven out of him.

Lysa, your thinking has been SO twisted by this modern hell-bound society that you are blind to your open rebellion against God's word. If a medical doctor detects a problem in the body of a child (4 years old or less... down to infant), you would think it perfectly OK for him to take a knife and cut the child open ... inflicting all kinds of pain when he awakens ... or even to cut the child's leg off if necessary to save his life ... yet if a parent takes measures that are clearly instructed in the Bible to drive foolishness away from a child and leave a few red marks on him (that will heal MUCH quicker than surgery wounds), you want to act like he is being cruel.

I don't know the woman in the story. She apparently doesn't know Christ because she lied when first questioned (if the report is correct), but the act that she is being penalized for is clearly a biblical act that should be honored and not condemned.

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jochbaptist May 22, 2013

Hi Lysa

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"bruises on her daughter’s buttocks"... are you kidding me, Lordoitagain? She's a four year old. Please tell me what four year deserves to have bruises left on their behind? You cannot stand behind bruising a toddler as punishment, can you? Well, I guess you did.
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As a father of 4 daughters, I can testify that a spanking that really hurts, administered in love is the best way of dealing with foolishness and willful disobedience in their hearts. Afterwards there is a new tenderness of heart, and peacefulness that no other form of discipline can produce.

I can also say that it produced better results when I spanked them, instead of their Mom. Probably because I spanked harder and was less emotional about it ....


Pro 20:30 Blows that hurt cleanse away evil, As [do] stripes the inner depths of the heart.

Webster's Bible Translation -
The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Of course Satan does not want that to happen.

Blessings

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Lysa May 22, 2013


Joch,

I was spanked almost everyday growing up and know that I needed 3/4 of them!! (grin) And I know that I am better for it but, BUT neither one of my parents EVER left bruises.

You people seem to forget that "spanking" for discipline and "beatings" that leave bruises are two very different animals. And THAT is my whole argument here, I am NOT against disciplining a child that needs to be disciplined.

Joch wrote:
Pro 20:30 Blows that hurt cleanse away evil, As [do] stripes the inner depths of the heart.

So Joch, you are telling me that you actually advocate "blows" that leave bruises on your four daughters? Is that what you're saying because that's how it seems to read. Can you give a simple yes or a no?

This is unbelieve----able.
Lisa

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Lotis May 22, 2013

I was spanked as a child and it benefited me. I don't think you guys understand what Lysa is saying. It's not the idea of spanking or disciplining a child that is being rejected here. It is the idea of BRUISING a FOUR YEAR OLD.

For all the times I was disciplined physically as a child, I never once received a bruise or mark that lasted, and believe me I got the picture just fine...I believe the issue that some are having here is it seems that excessive physical force was used in this discipline.

I have not seen anyone "reject the biblical doctrine of beating thine child" (paraphrased)...only the idea of applying EXCESS force to a four year old girl.

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hoohoou May 22, 2013

You've got to be kidding me. How clearly does Lysa need to say that she spanked her kids. She said she did. Is that not the rod? She's obviously talking about spanking so hard that you leave bruises. You ignore this and hurl accusations.


So, by your logic, a person is following satan if they do not bruise their children when they spank them? You, my friend, are so clearly wrong it boggles the mind. How far will you take this? There was a news story recently about a child in China who had her hair boiled off because she "wouldn't listen". Is this biblical? By your logic it's super holy.

Are you so concerned with being right and so prideful of your own opinion that you are incapable of seeing another person's viewpoint without basically calling them evil? Because someone believes that the Bible is true when it says, "In your anger, do not sin", they are blind to their open rebellion against God's word?

My friend, I fear for you. I fear for those around you.

My kids are spanked. Yet I never strike them hard enough to leave a bruise. They are sent to their room for two reasons. One, so I can calm down and not be angry and over do it. They are small children and don't need a man sized spanking. Two, so they can sit and think about, with some dread, what they did and what's about to happen. By the time I walk in my 4 year old's room I barley have to do more than drop my arm letting the belt make that distinctive "pop" and she is a sobbing heap. How is that sparing the rod? It's not, that's the answer you were looking for.

To sit there and say that a woman you admit is probably not a Christian is doing the biblical thing because she hit a toddler so hard it left bruises is reprehensible.

You are the one turning a blind eye to scripture. You use 3 verses, twist them to appease your own thirst of something and ignore the many other verses and overall intent of the 3 you quote. The point is not to hit, the point is to drive the foolishness out of the heart. Foolishness, not their very will. This can be accomplished without bruising. It is simply a fact that corporal punishment has more effect on some kids than others. The goal of being a parent is to know your children well enough to know what form of discipline is going to have the most impact. The lazy parent only hits and hits harder to get the behavior they want.

I suggest meditating on Proverbs 8:4 "O naive ones, understand prudence; And, O fools, understand wisdom.


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Lordoitagain May 22, 2013


Definition of BRUISE
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a : an injury involving rupture of small blood vessels and discoloration without a break in the overlying skin

Somehow when most Americans hear "bruise on a 4 year old" they automatically assume that it was black and blue. A bruise by the dictionary definition can be only a reddening of the skin.

If you can use a rod (or similar instrument, being obedient to God's Word) on a child and not leave a mark at all, you must have a child with a blood condition (opposite of a free bleeder) who cannot get marked when struck by a rod.

Some of you people have been SO hoodwinked by modern psychology that you join sides with those who are against the CLEAR instructions in God's Word! About 100 years ago, this discussion would have never happened in the USA. If you were "acting out" at the neighbor's house, it was a well understood thing that the neighbor would "wear you out" (some leaving black and blue marks at times), and then when you got home, your parents would do the same. If you were at school, the teacher had the same rights (and used them). The people of this country wholeheartedly accepted what God's Word teaches ... until modern Psychology came along and toned it all down.

I'm 47 years old, and I WELL remember my precious grandmother going outside and getting a switch (a slender branch from a tree or bush) a striping my legs and buttocks like a candy cane with distinct red whelps (that lasted for hours and days) when I was a pre-K. She did my mom the same way when she was growing up! Some of you would join in with the wicked people and have my precious grandmother spend 100 days in jail. Too bad, you can't get to her. She is with the Lord now, and you will never reach her. She raised 4 respectable, respecting, diligent children who knew how to submit to teachers, bosses, etc and became very successful and wealthy in life.

My mom (poor abused child with red, white, and possibly blue at times on her legs and bottom) graduated as an RN, and kept that profession for 45 or so years. My parents raised 3 very successful children in the same (abusive by your terms) way. One a pharmacist, another a teacher, and another a translator.

You see, when external discipline is applied, then as the child grows, there is a formation of enough internal discipline to cause him to achieve great things in life. Why? Because his parents didn't spare the rod.

I never had any children of my own, but I foster parented a child who was on Ritalin, Wellbutrin, and Depakote before I got him at age 12. When I got him, and started administering the love and discipline and structure that God's Word teaches, he NEVER took another pill! He stayed with me until he was about 18. He had many cases of redness of the skin color, but now he THANKS me for it, and tells others that I taught him how to respect. Before I got him, he had been in mental hospitals.


The USA that we had (about 100 years ago, and further back in our history) was one that produced respecting, respectable hard working industrious people. Even though many were not Christians, there was enough respect for the Bible to make an effort at obeying it in the general population. With a firm understanding about severe consequences for wrong action, it was even easier to lay a foundation for the gospel to be preached and for people to understand and accept it (the REAL gospel).

If you all want to soften the message of God's Word to fit our generation's definition of discipline, it is fully your prerogative, but if you rear a lazy disrespecting rebellious brat who never is able to come to an obedient relationship with God because you as a parent would not carry out God's Word, then the blood of that child will be on your hands.

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Lotis May 23, 2013

Hi Lordoitagain,

I'd like to point out again...that no one is denying or rejecting the idea that physically disciplining a child is sometimes necessary and biblical. Here one more time just in case: no one is denying or rejecting the idea that physically disciplining a child is sometimes necessary and biblical.

You don't suppose that "back in your day" (my words not yours) that there may have been parents that in fact did NOT whip their kids black and blue but still managed to discipline their children and raise respectable and respected men and women...just like people do today?

Do you think you and your mother grew up into respectable and respected people (as I assume you are) solely because you got whipped as intensely as you were? I consider myself a respectable and respected person...except I was never whipped like that, interesting no?

You are literally arguing with yourself my man. No one is saying that discipline should not be applied (in reasonable force) and no one is denying that there is a "movement" today that says physically disciplining your child is wrong. Who exactly are you talking too...?

Oh and no one wants your grandma in jail, haha.

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proudpapa May 23, 2013

////Ro 13:8b for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.///

Hebrews ch 12 v 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby


The chastening spoken of in these verses is much more painful than a little bruise on the butt. And Yet it is a sign of a Loving father.


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jochbaptist May 27, 2013

Hi Lysa

I took me a while to reply because your response found me at a "fragile" moment and I was quite taken aback by you for the second time now. Again you "can't believe" or find what I share "unbelieve----able"

I am "You peopled" and asked to "give a simple yes or no" etc. Overall not a very blessed "tone" coming from a Sister.

My post was very clear - Blows can not cleanse away evil - unless they hurt. That was my point that I backed up by Scripture.

If you want to be contentious about that - well then I am going to my corner of the roof ...

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used4him May 27, 2013

I have read most of the dialog here, and have yet to read anyone having a bad experience of getting spanked as a child. My father was a strict diciplinarian, and because of his spankings, I was bruised inside and out. I did not feel any good had become of it! In fact, I rebelled very much as soon as I was able to leave home at age 18.

I sensed that my father did not love me, and because of that had a hard time even believing that God loved me. Thank God, by His grace I became saved and then healed of my hurts.

If someone cannot control their temper when disciplining their child, they should not do it at all (in a physical way). Try time outs, withholding special priviledges, etc.
I don't know the whole situation with the foster mom, so I can't judge in her situation.

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dspks May 28, 2013

"For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently?"1Peter 2:20

This "foster" mom KNEW and agreed to the boundaries (rules and regulations) of being a STATE PAID foster parent... she broke the rules... she suffers the consequences!!

The issue isn't that she spanked the child... the issue is that she broke the rules that SHE agreed (by being paid by the state) to obey.

Did she REALLY OBEY the Bible???

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proudpapa May 29, 2013

Today at work my helper noticed a giant bruise on his leg, I asked him what happened he said he did not know.

We all bruise and bruise often, our children bruise and they bruise often, you did not learn to walk or ride a bike without many bruises!

people have their young children in sports some as young as 4 or 5 and
in the training they bruise !

A bruise is not a sign of abuse. (A scar is a sign of abuse)

a good parent is not so concerned about protecting their children from a little bruise,but what they
are concerned about is
protecting their children from that which leaves scars, both physicaly but more importantly inwardly.

The sad thing about this story is not the little bruise on the butt,
But the deep inward scars associated with what ever caused the need for being taken from their family and placed in the foster care system.

edit: for clarity

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