What is going on????

Hi Bear ///PS
Please no KJVO debate. But does someone have some insight into what is happening here?///

respected.

I have a good book on the subject right before me: The Gender - Neutral Bible Controversey muting the Masculinity of Gods words by Vern S Poythress and Wayne A Grudem.

this is a good topic of concern

To understand what is going on we must remember the flopped TNIV and understand why it flopped.

The TNIV was to drastic for the time, even the Big names like Dobson and Mcarther and other influenced by (CBMW) came out against it because of the Gender-Neutral translations.

Zondervan had Rob Bell strongly promoting it even giving it away in his church and advertising on the computer for it, But with those like Mcarther puting out sermons in opposition to it, it flopped and flopped hard.

So they made some improvements with the 2011 over that of the TNIV but still retained some of the Gender-Neutral language of that of the TNIV, they even made some improvements over the 84' such as eliminating some of the sarx = sinful nature, probably because of NKJV's Zane Hodges critisism of the 84's mistranslation,
the 2011 also translated openly where they had been critisized of translating in secret for the TNIV.

But they still have retained some of the gender-neutral translation from that of the TNIV that was not included in 84'.

They tell me that you have to boil a live frog slowly, the TNIV turned up the heat a little to quickly, the frog jumped out, the 2011 has turned up the heat just to the point that most frogs will stay in even though perhaps feeling a little discomfort about it.

BM wrote /// I have to think it is more than money?///

Yes, our culture is changing and inorder for bible believers to change with the culture, the Bibles they use will need to change with the culture.

I think the Queen James Bible is a little more than christians will except right now, but hey give it 20 years

///what is the reason I am getting bad vibes off this current NIV upgrade? ///

could be an unction

‘Queen James Bible’: Now There’s a Gay-Friendly Version of Scripture

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=47752&forum=48

Is marriage between two people or a man and woman?

I can't believe that someone who would call themselves Christians... Would so easily fall for this anti-christ agenda that seems to be overtaking the Western Nations..

Christinyou,
very good point!

And I always thought that God created them male and female and that one of each gender was intended to be joined together in marriage covenant to be one flesh...I really dont think God wanted it any other way! There is no Biblical evidence to support the notion of "homo-marriage"!

I think probably a "geneder neutral" ahab-jezebelised sort of "bible" is needed by false prophets and false teachers to appeal to those crazy "smash the patriarchy" new age feminist earth mother type of people who have operated in witchcraft in the churches, and insist on directing "worship" (???) at diana/isis/ishtart etc, the emergent apostate church needs such a flaky and misleading reinvented reinterpreted sin-denying, hell-denying, Jesus-denying "translation" to keep those folks within the fold of their dangerous and counterfeit universalist religion, and keep hidden the true character nature and purposes of God.
It surely is a serious thing to tamper with God's Holy Word, to deliberately distort and change its meaning to suit an anti Christian agenda, but sadly many induloge themselves this way. Ony recently a deluded English Bishop made headline news for all the wrong reasons:-

The Bishop of Salisbury, the Rt Rev Nicholas Holtam, suggested it was time to 'rethink' attitudes towards allowing same-sex couples to marry, as Christians did with slavery and apartheid. He argued that attitudes towards homosexuality have changed 'considerably' over the last fifty years and that the development of gay marriage would be a 'very strong endorsement of the institution of marriage......" Sometimes Christians have had to rethink the priorities of the Gospel in the light of experience. Before Wilberforce, Christians saw slavery as Biblical and part of the God-given ordering of creation. Similarly in South Africa the Dutch Reformed Church supported apartheid because it was Biblical and part of the God-given order of creation. No one now supports either slavery or apartheid. The Biblical texts have not changed; our interpretation has".

He evidently gives more weight and credibility to a humanist pseudo intellectual socio-political man centred "interpretation" than the leading of the Spirit of Jesus, that insists we die to our old nature and its lusts and appetites

"And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

It sure is risky to put more trust in our interpretation (which very often becomes a lucrative sideline industry in itself with all the theology schools and professors arguing and trying to defend their big ego points of view (opinions prejudices and preferences basically, almost always hostile to the Holy Son of the Living God)...When he says "our" interpretation, he is of course referring to the elite of deceived luciferian NAR and other apostles of satan who presume to organise Gods Church-without reference to the sound use of Scripture and the leading of the Holy Ghost, and are "always learning never able to acknowledge the truth"

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you travel on sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." etc

Bear said, "There are many good translations ranging from the KJV, NKJV, NASB, ESV, etc."

I agree.

One thing I might say about gender neutrality (not that I am in agreement with the gender neutrality agends)is that there are in fact many places in the New Testament where the original Greek means "person" (whether male or female) and not "man," as the KJV usually translates it.

...And I still think the profit motive figures very highly in the production of this new NIV. I'm hoping that by what they've done in trying to eradicate the old NIV, and the growing concern for the gender issue in the new one, they will find themselves in serious financial trouble. I for one would be happy to see the Not Inspired Version go the way of the dodo.

Allan

I appreciate your "humble opinion," Greg and that you "have always enjoyed the NIV in measure..."

I likely should not have said what I said in my last post. There are many who use the NIV and I would not want to undermine the faith of anyone.

And it's true that we who use the English language have a lot of translations available while other languages have none.

So I hope that those who use the NIV will take advantage of the available resources, and compare it with some of the other translations. I use the KJV myself, but I compare it with other translations. Even the NIV. :)

Allan

Bearmaster,

Please consider the True Author of Scripture who resides in you is grieved. He does not recognize nor affirm these writings.

Gender neutrality is a key foundation for feminism and same sex parenting.

Try to look into the backgrounds of those who created the 2011 edition and whether they profess Jesus Christ or not. Maybe, you will discover their agenda or if they are just plain ignorant (if even possible).