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sermonindex Mar 17, 2005

Freedom from SinBy Jesse MorrellRomans 6:22 “But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.”\tDeep in the corridors of death row sat a guilty prisoner awaiting execution. On one fateful day the jailer walked into the prisoner’s cell causing the prisoner to wonder if this would be the day of his death. After months and years of waiting on death row, he knew this day would inevitably come. Just as the prisoner was dropping his head in shame and despair, the jailer said the words which echoed through his mind, “I am setting you free. Another man has turned himself in and requested that you be released immediately.” After fully expecting to die, the prisoner had a look of astonishment on his face. The jailer assured him by telling him that all his criminal records would be erased. He went on to say that he will not be put to death and that he can freely walk out of his cell today. It would be an understatement to say the prisoner was overjoyed. Overwhelmed with gratitude, the prisoner thanked the jailer and walked out of the cell that had him bound for countless years. \tIs this not a picture of the wonderful freedom men receive by grace through faith in the blood of Jesus? Jesus Christ has turned himself in so that we can walk freely out of the cell that has had us bound. Not only are we free from the guilt and consequences of our crimes against God, but we are free from the chains of bondage that held us captive. Teaching and preaching that a man can be saved from the guilt and consequences of his sins, but yet not be saved from his sins themselves would like the jailer telling the prisoner “you are free, your record is erased, you will not be put to death, but you must remain bound in this cell for the rest of your days.” That would be no freedom at all! If we are to be slaves of God and slaves of righteousness, we must be free from death, hell, and also sin itself.\tGod calls the Christian to run the race, but the race does not take place on a treadmill. There is no such thing as treadmill Christianity. To say that a man who desires to be holy will never be able to reach it in this life opposes the very teachings of Jesus who said “blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.” (Matt 5:6). God never intended for the Christian to be as a mouse in a cage running anxiously and endlessly on a running wheel yet never getting anywhere. God has always intended to set men free, and “Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.” (John 8:36).Am I proposing here that a man can be holy while remaining here on earth and that a man can obey all the commandments of the Lord? Absolutely I am because this is what reason, logic, and the scriptures force me to believe and accept and I wouldn’t want it any other way. “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). And also “I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.” (Gal 5:16). If you are lead by God will He not lead you into all righteousness? Is it impossible to obey the One who said “follow me”? (Luke 18:22). Was it unreasonable when Christ said “I have given you an example that you should do as I have done”? (John 13:15). God has not charted a course which is impossible to sail. Nothing shall be impossible for God. So long as God is the Captain and Commander of the ship He can and will sail it wherever He so pleases. Certainly mutiny against the Captain and Commander is possible on our part, but loyalty is also a possibility.\tE. M. Bounds stirs us to pursue personal holiness in this quote: “Nothing short of absolute obedience will satisfy God. The keeping of all His commandments is the demonstration of obedience that God requires. But can we keep all of God’s commandments? Can a man receive moral ability that helps him to obey every one of them? Certainly he can. By the same token, man can, through prayer, obtain ability to do this very thing…Does God give commandments that men cannot obey? Is he so arbitrary, so severe, so unloving, that He issues commandments that cannot be obeyed? The answer is that, in all of Scripture, not a single instance is recorded of God having commanded any man to do a thing that was beyond his power. Is God so unjust and so inconsiderate to require a man something that he is unable to do? Certainly not! To infer is to slander the character of God.” \tI fear that the issue is not that man can not obey God, but that many men will not obey God. Many do not walk in holiness because they have yet to forsake their sins and walk in complete repentance. But true repentance is always complete. If a man is driving down a two way road and fails to pay attention and therefore ends up on the wrong side of the road he is in great danger. He is in even greater danger when he notices a massive Mac truck heading straight for him. Panic grips his heart and sweat pours from his brow. What must he do? The answer is simple enough. He must suddenly, not slowly, get back on the right side of the road. If he leaves even a little bit of his vehicle on the wrong side of the road that would be enough to get him killed. Likewise, when you’re on the road of life and you end up on the wrong side of the road called sin, you are in grave danger because the Mac truck of death and hell is heading straight for you. What ought you to do? As quickly as you can you must get completely on the right side of the road. If you leave even the least bit of your life on the wrong side of the road is that not enough to get you killed?\tAnd so it is that Christ has set us free, so we must walk free. The pardon has been issued, the records have been erased, and the cell gate has been opened wide. Now it is up to us to walk out of the chains of bondage into the marvelous freedom that is found in Jesus Christ. Quote: The Complete Works of E. M. Bounds page 155-156.

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alanrepent Mar 18, 2005

BROTHER!!! I love you! haha this blessed me TREMENDOUSLY. May I copy it all and post it (with your name on it) on my site? http://www.xanga.com/alanrepent This town is mostly held by eternal security doctrines, and holiness and obedience are foreign to the 24 churches here. It would be good for some of them to read something like this if it is OK with you. Thanks brother.

sermonindex Mar 18, 2005

I am very glad to hear that you were blessed by the article. Other two on the same topic that I have written recently are "Dead unto Sin" and also "Naming the Name of Christ" which can be found at: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=category&cid=304Please do with these articles whatever you feel the Lord would have.

sermonindex Mar 18, 2005

It seems that there is much confusion on man's ability to obey the commands of God and experience true victory over sin. Many people honestly believe that they must live with sin until the day they die. Many actually expect to keep sinning in thought word and deed every day.Is it possible to have victory over sin? YES!!Let me make this very clear, NO ONE can ever obey God or overcome sin by his own unaided efforts or power. If man could overcome sin by his own efforts, energy and power, than Christ's death on the cross would have been wasted. GOD HAS GIVEN US HIS PROMISES AND THEY ARE FULLY AVAILABLE NOW!! The promises when received will fulfill all the requirements of the law.Now the PROMISE of Christ is designed by God to take a sinner, who is living in sin and rebellion and make him a son of God who truly loves God. This is the ONLY solution that God Himself has provided for mankind. It is NOT POSSIBLE for anyone to ever please God without taking hold of the promise of Jesus Christ. I repeat again, THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!!!Everything that God offers mankind is in the form of a promise. Salvation itself is based on Gods free gift and promise to us. The gift of Christ is now fully available to anyone who will take hold of the promise by faith. Without receiving the promises of God, salvation is totally impossible.2 Peter 1:3-4 "According as His divine power has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him that has called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."The design of the promises is to make a person a partaker of God's divine nature. God forms His character in the believer by the provisions of the gospel. God has made ample provision for all holiness and spiritual growth. The promise when received fulfills all the requirements of the law. What the law requires, God freely makes available to every person as a gift. We must truly believe and then receive this gift. There is nothing lacking in God's provision for us to fulfill the law and His requirements. What the law requires, God freely gives to those who take it.God has provided man with everything that he could possibly need to live a pure and Holy life. He has made everything freely available in the form of promises. Salvation, Jesus, Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all offered to mankind by the promises. The ONLY way to experience being a partaker of God's Holy nature and escape the corruption in the word is from receiving the results of the promises. Without first receiving the results of a promise, holiness is impossible. For every command of God there is a promise from God that, if received, will fulfill that command. Or another way to put it is, what the law requires, God's grace freely makes available by faith. Only as a person receives the promise by faith and experiences its fulfillment in himself will he truly obey the commands of God. For example, the following command will never be obeyed without first receiving the results of the promise.CommandMatt. 22:37 "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind."PromiseDeut. 30:6 "And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live."It is clear that the love that the law demands is made freely available by God. 1. It is impossible to directly choose to love God. 2. Only when we receive the results of the promise, will we really love God correctly. 3. We have to first receive the fulfillment of the promise before we will love Him as the law demands. 4. Without receiving the results of the promise, we will not fulfill the command. 5. Obedience to God is TOTALLY impossible without first receiving the promise of God. 6. Keeping God's commandments is impossible without first receiving the promise. 7. We are required to lay hold by faith the promise before any obedience can take place. 8. True obedience is the result of are receiving of the promise.The language of the promise means just as much as the language of the command. It seems that few people misunderstand the command to fully love God continuously. Now, when it comes to the promise many seem to try to dilute it or make it seem weak. Does not the promise mean just as much as the command? The truth is, the only way this command will ever be fulfilled is by first receiving the results of this promise.The law demands perfect obedience and threatens with a harsh penalty if the obedience failed. Under the law, it depends only on man's faithfulness to obey. Only IF man obeyed would he be blessed, if he failed he would be cursed. The law will never make any one obedient, in fact the law was never designed to make any person's heart holy. The Law will never supply the love God demanded. All it did was make demands and threats when the demands were not met. Man broke the law time and time again. He proved his unfaithfulness.God has provided the only solution for mans disobedience and total failure through Jesus Christ. God's provision WHEN RECEIVED will fulfill all the requirements of the law. What the law demands, grace supplies. God has made provision for mans unfaithfulness and has made this solution freely available in the form of a promise.Another command and promise.CommandEzek. 18:30b-31 "Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?"PromiseEzek: 36:25-29; 36b "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them. And you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save and deliver you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it."Another command and promise.CommandDeut. 10:12 "And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in ALL His ways, and to love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with ALL your heart and with ALL your soul."PromiseJer 32:39-41 "And I will give you one heart, and one way, that you may fear me for ever, for your own good, and for your children after you: And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, that I will not turn away from you, to do you good; but I will put my fear in your heart, that you shall not depart from me. Yes, I will rejoice over you to do you good, and I will plant you in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul." Here is an exact Charles Finney quote from The Promise of The Spirit published by Bethany House 1980. Lecture 11. THE PROMISES--No. 1, page 135. "We never keep the commandments, only as we take hold of the promises. By this I mean that grace alone enables us from the heart, to obey the commandments of God. It is, therefore, only when we lay hold of the promise, by faith, and receive its fulfillment in ourselves, that we really, in heart, obey the commandments of God. For example we never love the Lord our God, according to the first great commandment, only as we lay hold on, and receive the fulfillment of some such promise as this: "I will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live."We can take hold of the promises of God and then receive what we need. Exact quote from Finney's Systematic Theology 1851 Edition Lecture 50------------------- "It is true indeed that God requires of men, especially under the gospel, what they are unable to do directly in their own strength. Or more strictly speaking, he requires them to lay hold on His strength, or to avail themselves of His grace, as the condition of being what he requires them to be. With strict propriety, it cannot be said that in this, or in any case, he requires directly any more than we are able directly to do. The direct requirement in the case under consideration, is to avail ourselves of, or to lay hold upon his strength. This we have power to do. He requires us to lay hold upon his grace and strength, and thereby to rise to a higher knowledge of Himself, and to a consequent higher state of holiness than would be otherwise possible to us. The direct requirement is to believe, or to lay hold upon his strength, or to receive the Holy Spirit, or Christ, who stands at the door, and knocks, and waits for admission. The indirect requirement is to rise to a degree of knowledge of God, and to spiritual attainments that are impossible to us in our own strength. We have ability to obey the direct command directly, and the indirect command indirectly. That is, we are able by virtue of our nature, together with the proffered grace of the Holy Spirit, to comply with all the requirements of God. So that in fact there is no proper inability about it."-----------------The grace of the gospel offers you, with every command, the strength to obey, and work in you the very thing commanded. Every command implies a corresponding promise, that is, if we are required to do anything by Christ, the very requirement is an implied promise or offer of all the aid we need to make it possible for us to perform it. Indeed, the command in itself is an implied gift of all needed help. The command itself implies the ability to obey it. Every command of God implies this in the strongest manner. It should be remembered that God is perfect in both love and wisdom: therefore He cannot be so unjust as to demand something from us that is impossible for us to perform. THE GRACE OF GOD TURNS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW INTO A PROMISE OF GOD.From Christian Perfection by Asa Mahan------------- " The sinner is not required to "make himself clean," or to "make to himself a new heart," in the exercise of his unaided powers, but by application to the blood of Christ, "which cleanses from all sin." The grace which purifies the heart is provided; the fountain, whose waters cleanse from sin, is set open. To this fountain the sinner is brought, and because he may descend into it, and there "wash his garments and make them white," he can fulfill the command, "Wash you, make you clean," "make to yourself a new heart and a new spirit," and "cleanse yourself from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit." The sinner is able to make to himself a "new heart and a new spirit," because he can instantly avail himself of offered grace. He does literally "make to himself a new heart and a new spirit," ONLY when he yields himself up to the influence of that grace. The power to cleanse from sin lies in the blood and grace of Christ; and hence, when the sinner "purifies himself by obeying the truth through the spirit," the glory of his salvation belongs, not to him, but to Christ."

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RobertW Mar 18, 2005

I agree with all these points and posts for the most part and they are great. Would any of you brethren care to share personal testimonies on Total Victory over Sin? I would be much encouraged to hear them.God Bless,-Robert

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My_Redeemer Mar 18, 2005

I just wanted to say THANK YOU! I needed this clarity.The Lord had spoken to me a year ago and he gave me these same scriptures...Ezek: 36:25-29; 36b --Jer 32:39-41 -- Deut. 30:6. I love how you just explained it and linked the command/promise's together.I am so blessed by this site, and I thank God that we are able to be ourselves, to be transparent...with all of our failures and weakness. Every times the Lord has me to come here and read...my spirit rejoices to see how much growth has taken place. It encourages me so, and I know that he is also working in me. Amen, once again Thank You.

sermonindex Mar 19, 2005

This is a wonderful biblical topic which every Christian would know about. I find that not many preach on the freedom of a Christian and therefore our generation has been getting ripped off. Dr. Michael L. Brown is one of my favorite writers and preachers. He was mentored by Leonard Ravenhill, speaks at The Call, and started Fire School of Ministry and also The Call School of Ministry. Well, he wrote a book I highly recommend called "Go And Sin No More: A Call to Holiness". The forward is by Bill Bright, Founder and President Campus Crusade for Christ International. You can find this wonderful book on amazon.com

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AsliEren May 13, 2005

Hey,This is a great topic and should be talked about more. The gospel is both God's grace and mercy not just his mercy. When we stop talking as much about God's grace and start only talking about God's mercy we are believing in a Jesus who does not exist. He is Lord and Savior and not just one or the other. He has to be both at all times and can never be just one or the other. To believe He is anything different and to preach in the context of man's constant failure is to bring God down to work within the failure of man. This can't be right since it takes man to completely deny himself to even be able to participate in receiving by faith God's grace and mercy for this life.

sermonindex May 13, 2005

It is the will of God that we move from being "just a sinner saved by grace" to a Saint that is empowered by grace! That is His will, that you go from being conquered by sin to being a more then a conqueror of sin. If the Law is the strength of sin (1Co 15:56), then grace should be the strength of righteousness.

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rookie May 13, 2005

I agree with both of your exhortations Jesse and freecd.Freecd wrote:" The sinner is not required to "make himself clean," or to "make to himself a new heart," in the exercise of his unaided powers, but by application to the blood of Christ, "which cleanses from all sin." The grace which purifies the heart is provided; the fountain, whose waters cleanse from sin, is set open.What is the nature of this grace that enables us to obey? From where does it come from? When God speaks His promise to you, in what way has the content of the grace you received changed you or caused you to repent?In ChristJeff

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rookie May 13, 2005

Br Robert wrote:Would any of you brethren care to share personal testimonies of Total Victory over Sin?I posted this from the thread, Live\\walking in the Spirit. " I would like to give you one example of how the Lord disciplined me about three years ago.Six years ago I was present for the opening of a church plant in our area. It soon qualified as a Calvary Chapel affiliate. During this time the Lord had begun to stir in me the calling into ministry. My pastor, then 29 years old, plugged me into varios ministries. I soon was given the responsibility of leading a men's fellowship group in our small congregation. I also began to seek out ministry training at a branch campus of Calvary Chapel Bible college. I met many people during this time. I began to strive for position in the church. I also recognized that others that I met along the way in the various churches, strived also for position in the church. It was a good thing to land a paying job in an established ministry. Looking back now, I can see the uglyness of my sin. But the Lord is faithful to work out the clay as He saw fit. You might remember recently that I posted a thread a "fireman and Christ." My brother Bob was a man who had walked with the Lord for a long time. He was much closer to the Lord because his nature was more like Christ. Well, back about 3 years ago, Brother Bob walked into our church and soon rose in the congregation because of what the Lord had worked in him. One day my pastor came to me and told me that Brother Bob was going to take over the men's fellowship ministry. That news hurt my flesh really bad. I was consumed by this event for days, but I submitted without much outward signs. Remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees, "you are like white washed tombs on the outside, but you are full of dead men's bones on the inside." This Scripture speaks well of what was going on inside of me.About two or three months passed, and the Holy Spirit convicted me one day before a prayer meeting. The Holy Spirit brought a thought to my mind that I had thought soon after I was relieved of the men's fellowship ministry. This is the thought that was brought to my mind that day. "It's okay, Brother Bob can have the men's fellowship for now, he will die of Lou Gerihgs desease someday, and then I will again head the men's ministry." Then the Holy Spirit impressed upon me that I was required to confess this thought during the prayer meeting that night. I began to rationalize that no one needs to know, what is past is past. Yet the Holy Spirit did not let up. I experienced a huge amount of guilt that evening. Well, during the prayer meeting I submitted to the conviction and direction that I received earlier. It was a time of sobbing and a time of washing that I will not forget. It was a time of breaking and humbling that has continued to teach me lessons even unto today. This is one testimony of what my Lord has worked in me. I have learned alot about what it means to strive for position in His church and the ugliness of that sin as He sees it."Two things I know. First, I have experienced the goodness of how in God's wisdom He worked this particular root of sin out into the open. He brought my sin out of the darkness into the light. I have experienced the washing and refreshing that comes through obedience to His command. I could not have done this in my own strength. All glory be to His name. Secondly, because of what God has worked in me pretaining to this particular sin in my life, when I recognized the attributes of that sin wanting to rear up again, I recognize it for what it is. And because I have tasted the goodness of God that leads to repentance, it is much easier now to let that old sin die before it takes root again. I no longer desire to strive for position in the church. I just go day to day looking forward to what God has me do. I know that He has called me into ministry, when and where only He knows. In ChristJeff

sermonindex May 16, 2005

Oh dear brother, if it involves coveteousness in ministry, I've been there. Oh thank God, I have been delivered. But I still have to guard my vessel, and not entertain these temptations. I have to be content with those things such as I have.I would ask that you do yourself a huge favor and read the following prayerfully:http://www.awildernessvoice.com/posturing.htmlYou will not find a better article on this subject. Striving for "position" is not the way of the Lord Jesus Christ. We simply follow the Holy Spirit second by second, and give thanks for the places He opens doors for us to be.There is not a person on this planet who would like to be in "full time ministry" more than I. Yet I am in full time ministry because of the place God has put me. It's not a place of my choosing, but His. Therefore, I dare not miss what I'm doing now, or the hope of what may follow will perish. It's all in His timing and His provision, not our own.Tozer said that God will "crucify without pity, those whom He wishes to raise without measure". I find comfort in that, even in my difficulties. I trust you will too. Finally, I simply cannot believe that anyone reaches a place of sinless perfection. Not even Paul did that. God said that His grace is sufficient. It is sufficient for Paul, and it's sufficient for you and I. Does this give us liberty to act carnally and after the flesh? God forbid. But we have an advocate with the Father. Jesus Himself pleads our case on our behalf, and His closing arguments are always that the price has been paid in full for our sins. Glory be to God, He ought to know. So let us all join together in one accord and give Him the glory, honor and praise. Alleluia.

sermonindex May 16, 2005

I love what Duncan Campbell said "You'll never be in the position where it is impossible for you to sin. But praises be to God that you are in a position where it's possible for you not to."

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rookie May 16, 2005

Br Lahry wrote:Finally, I simply cannot believe that anyone reaches a place of sinless perfection. Not even Paul did that. I agree with your position 100%. The sin that God showed me is just one of a million that are part of my old man. I am waiting to share about another sin soon. What I have learned is that follow Christ means that He will convict me of the sins that He is currently working on in my life. This is why it can only be through Christ that we learn of His righteousness. If we live without Christ, then we are subject to following the curse of the law. In our own mind we come up with what we believe is our duty to try not to sin. Yet I have found that it is only by following Christ that He can and will deliver us, and bring refreshing and washing of our hearts. Paul said something to the effect, that he battles daily to keep his body in subjection to Christ. In ChristJeff

sermonindex May 17, 2005

Paul gives the problem:Romans 7:19 "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice"And then the problem again:Romans 7:24 "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?"AND THEN HE GIVES THE WONDERFUL ANSWER!Romans 7:25 "I thank God--through Jesus Christ" our Lord!

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rookie May 17, 2005

Again responding to Br. Robert's question:Would any of you brethren care to share personal testimonies on Total Victory over Sin?What I am about to share is embarrasing, but all sin should be embarrasing once you have come into a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Again another humbling experience brougth about by my Savior as a testimony of His grace extended to me.Masturbation was something that I had practiced since I was a teenager. It was something that I did to satisfy my flesh. Then at the age of 40 I committed by life to Christ. About 5 years into my walk the Holy Spirit would begin to convict me during this practice. I remember asking the Lord is it a sin? Again the conviction came down upon me. Yet, I continued. Everytime I was seeking to satisfy my flesh, the Spirit was there. I would justify my actions as a harmless activity. I would say, just a little sin, it isn't hurting anyone else. Surely, Lord, I can keep this can't I? I tried being hard of hearing. I tried tuning Him out. Well this continued for a time until I went for an annual medical checkup. Everything was normal except that my PSA test came back with a value of 8. A PSA test is used as an indicator for prostrate cancer. A value of 8 is considered high. When the doctor told me of these results, the Holy Spirit brought to my attention the nature of my rebellion. The Spirit linked my sin with this event. I meditated on this significant event for the next week. And this is what I learned.God is holy and I am called to be holy as He teaches me. God will not allow you to keep doing a sin that He has commanded you to stop. He expects me to obey, period!I made an oath to Him that week that I would stop. I learned alittle about the fear of the Lord that week. This verse comes to mind:Heb. 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. 29 For our God is a consuming fire. Well I went back for another test and this time my PSA count was less than 2. Shortly there after, again the Spirit called me to testify of this event in my life. Again I was humbled because of what the Spirit commanded. I shared with the men's group of our church. This also became a time of renewing and refreshing. When the men heard my testimony, they all began to be more transparent with their own struggles, their own sins. Humility began to take root amonsgt the fellowship. Sin is an ugly thing. It reveals our nakedness before the Lord. He wants to clothe us with the robe of righteousness. How can we be filled with His Holy Spirit if we continue in sin?Finally, I have not commited that sin again. There are times when I am tempted but I call on the name of my Lord to deliver me from that temptation. He is faithful.In ChristJeff

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dann May 17, 2005

Thanks for the testimony Jeff, I am sure that must have been uncomfortable to post.Victory in that area came for me about three years after I began to walk with the Lord. I knew this practice was an unholy contradiction to my claims of being born again. In severe conviction I one day stood on Romans six, and declared that when God said I was dead to this sin, that He was correct, and that I was a slave to Christ and could no longer give myself to this practice (not to mention pornography)- I reckoned myself dead to these things - and was delivered from them.Likewise, I used to play role playing games (Dungeon's and Dragons, etc.) for at least 20 hours or so every week of my adult life (I started as a young teenager, yet nearly twenty years later I was just as addicted as ever). After I found the Lord I began to come under conviction that the way I spent my time was not honoring to God - I was supposed to love the Lord with all my mind, soul, and strength - but I was spending all my efforts on my own leisure - and dark pastimes seemed to be my preference. It was sin, and I one day repented of it all - tossed out thousands of dollars of paraphernalia and was completely set free from the bondage to them.Likewise with stolen software, likewise with bitterness, and I could go on the list is long.Now, it is because I immersed myself daily in the word of God and prayer that I found strength to do these things.In a word, I made the -outside- of my cup clean.Granted, this sort of "victory" is common enough amongst those who are serious about God, holiness, and sin.But this isn't the kind of "Total Victory" Brother Roberts is fishing for.The victory that I have described from my own testimony is the victory that was easily found in any of the Pharisees. Christ described my "victory" over sin as a cleansing of the outside of the cup. I stopped committing the act of sin - even though my heart was still wicked. All I had done was put a big, self righteous cork on sin, and thanked God as though God had done it. Deep down in my heart though, I knew the truth - I wasn't free from the sin, I had just developed a better way of dealing with it. I wasn't giving into sin - but I wasn't free from it either.Perhaps an example might help to illustrate what I am getting at. A homicidal pedophile is captured and sent to prison for twenty five years for his crimes. After twenty five years he is still a pedophile even though he hasn't committed an offense all the while that he was in prison. His lack of opportunity has suppressed his criminal behavior - but it hasn't cured it.Likewise, a man can develop a way to suppress the outward act of sin and even believe it to be "victory" but it isn't the sort of victory that Brother Roberts is talking about.I can tell you that I have had a lot of the former kind of "victory" - the "giant cork" variety - where I train myself to resist sin at all costs - and eventually develop the godly habit of making no provision for my flesh to fulfill it's lusts.I believe this sort of "victory" over sin is no victory at all, but the penultimate expression that the Pharisees had already acheived. And the Lord speaks to this sort of victory with the same message he gave to the pharisees - the outside of the sepulchre is clean (that is, you are not outwardly commiting gross sin), but the inside it is full of dead men's bones.The first time I was called upon to preach, I kept myself under such guard, that the whole week prior to the sermon I was moment by moment in prayer and fasting. That week I managed to keep myself from sinning any known sin. Guess what? I still wanted to sin - nothing changed. All I had done was give a supreme effort, and in the strength of that effort I managed to keep the outside clean for a week - but inside I hadn't changed a bit.The "victory" that I am seeking is not from outward sins - I have walked as a Pharisee long enough - no, the victory that interests me is the one where Christ cleans the inside of me so that I have no more desire to sin. I want to hear testimony from people who no longer have any desire whatsoever to sin in any way shape or form.When a man speaks of freedom from sin, I want to hear that he is really free from sin, and not just free from one of countless sinful habits.I don't say this to belittle your victory in any way Jeff - Lord knows your testimony is a good one. Rather I say this because I do not see that your testimony, encouraging as it is, has answered the challenge given by brother Roberts.In training,Dan/\\/\\/\\

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TonyS May 17, 2005

Dan wrote:When a man speaks of freedom from sin, I want to hear that he is really free from sin, and not just free from one of countless sinful habits.This is a great word, in the last year I have heard countless Christians talk about walking in Victory. Some stating that they now walk in greater victory than they have ever known.But upon further investigation so many times what is really being said is just what you have questioned. Victory for many is simply they are not looking at pornography on the computer. Or they are not smoking cigarettes, or they are not swearing as much ect….Let me add, how thankful we are to God as he delivers saints from these bondages spoken of. For so many, they desperately now need to go on with Christ. The house is swept and clean, now fill it with all the Glory that Christ offers.Jesse wrote:God has not charted a course which is impossible to sail. Nothing shall be impossible for God. So long as God is the Captain and Commander of the ship He can and will sail it wherever He so pleases. Certainly mutiny against the Captain and Commander is possible on our part, but loyalty is also a possibility.I have thought much on this statement since reading it, and I see John 15:16 in this statement:\t“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit.”A life of Victory for me is this: Am I running the race that has been set before me with PATIENCE?!?!? Not, have I arrived at some elusive undetermined place of no sin, but again am I in the race? Am I being conformed to the image of His Son Jesus Christ?!?!Blessing,TonyAlso, To Jeff: It’s high time we just simply get straight with people as you have done here. I heard a Minister say the following Sunday Morning as it regards living right:1) Admit it2) Repent it3) Quit itAnd it is possible as we strive to walk in the Holy Ghost.

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Compton May 17, 2005

I want to hear testimony from people who no longer have any desire whatsoever to sin in any way shape or form.Is this different then saying,"I want to hear testimony from people who no longer feel temptation whatsoever to sin in any way shape or form?"If it is different, then how so?

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rookie May 17, 2005

Brother Dan wrote:I don't say this to belittle your victory in any way Jeff - Lord knows your testimony is a good one. Rather I say this because I do not see that your testimony, encouraging as it is, has answered the challenge given by brother Roberts.I agree with your whole statement, every letter Brother. Paul teaches:1Cor. 15:29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead? 30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. We also are called to die daily, which means that we must call upon the name of our Lord daily for His provision. Total Victory only comes as Paul teaches:1Cor. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1Cor. 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.So therefore we have not been perfected, but we look onward and upward to the call of Christ in our life. When Paul states: 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.Paul points to the only solution to our old man who continues to strive with His Holy Spirit. It is only by following His voice do we begin to experience the freedom that comes with living for Christ.As you have said we will not experience total victory in this life, we do experience His work, and His work gives us a taste, a hope that is groaning within us in expectation of that day when we will then see Him as He is. Amen Brother Dann

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