Mr_Nath
Mar 18, 2005
An open question, what is your personal feelings towards to newly released version of the Bible, the 'Todays New International Version'??In Christ,Mr Nath.
An open question, what is your personal feelings towards to newly released version of the Bible, the 'Todays New International Version'??In Christ,Mr Nath.
And a strange question I know - but who is the person in my Avator Icon?? I picked it as it seems to look strangly like me, my wife hesitantly agrees as well. :/And here is a link to the TNIV Site
Just another Bible based on the wrong texts. I am not a "KJV Only" advocate and I do not believe that any translation from the original Greek/Hebrew text is divinely inspired. Many "KJV Only" enthusiasts believe that ONLY the KJV translators have given us God's perfect word in English. Some "KJV Only" Enthusiasts even believe that the KJV has actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts. I believe the KJV most accurately translates the original manuscripts off all available english bible versions but I do not believe it is the only valid English Translation. That being said, most (if not all) of our modern versions (NIV, NASB, GOOD NEWS, LIVING, NKJV, etc.) are clearly flawed. From dynamic equivalence ,to pure paraphrase, to the texts they base their translations on, there are serious questions that should be raised about the wide acceptance of every new translation coming out today. One thing that even a laymen should notice when comparing the modern versions with the KJV is how all of the modern versions completely omit verses, words, or phrases. The numbering is retained but in the case of removed verses the text will jump from say Matthew 18:10 to 18:12. Matthew 18:11 is completely omitted but the numbering stays the same so no one will notice unless they attempt to read Matthew 18:11. Another thing more mature Christians should notice is how everywhere a modern version does depart from the Textus Receptus (received text) it always removing, never adding. And in many cases the omissions have direct effects on doctrine such as the Trinity, Salvation, or Christ's deity. There are numerous examples of this and I am not trying to start a KJV vs. all other translations war here. My feeling is that no one is reading the Bible anymore, otherwise all of these new translations would be critiqued more heavily than they are.
I currently choose to read the KJV but I think I need to learn Greek/Hebrew :)In Christ,Mr Nath.
and have actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts.Um...no we don't.Or I should not generalize, as you have. We certainly don't ALL believe that the KJV version is actually improved over the Greek/Hebrew. 'fact I've never met a KJV-onlyist who holds that view.Otherwise, I agree with most of your points.
Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ:I begin with Quoting Matt25:That being said, most (if not all) of our modern versions (NIV, NASB, GOOD NEWS, LIVING, NKJV, etc.) are clearly flawed. From dynamic equivalence ,to pure paraphrase, to the texts they base their translations on, there are serious questions that should be raised about the wide acceptance of every new translation coming out today. One thing that even a laymen should notice when comparing the modern versions with the KJV is how all of the modern versions completely omit verses, words, or phrases.This blatant attack on the Word of God should be the concern of every believer. 2 Timothy 2:15 the Word tells us to Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, right dividing the work of truth. 16.But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2 Peter 3:18 encourages… But grow in grace (not only is this the unmerited favor from God but it is also the divine influence of God upon the hearts of man and its reflection in the life of every man), and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ… We can only do this when we have the Word of God hidden in our hearts. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, instructing and comforting us. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. We are familiar with the first half of the above verse, but how many read and understand the second half of the same verse? God is not a man that He should lie, He watches over His word to perform it. The Word of God does not return void.Satan can not come to us as he is, so he must be crafty as he was in Gen. 3:1 when he twisted the Word of God in speaking to Eve ( a picture of the flesh, the weaker vessel). Since the enemy of our souls can not come directly at the church (2 Corinthians 11: 14-15), he slides in the side door, he comes in the back door, he works subtly within the body of Christ. He is a thief, a robber and a destroyer. We all know this but we forget how subtle his craftiness can be and are unaware that he knows the Word of God more than most of the body of Christ. What a sad statement this is: GOD’S PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD OF GOD. If he can not get us blatantly then he will come in the side door and ATTACK THE WORD OF GOD with these versions which change the Word of our Lord. We must be careful to STUDY to show ourselves workmen, accurately handling the Word.With this said, I once carried the NASB, until one day I found numerous verses had been OMITTED completely. Then I purposed in my heart to research the versions, I choose the KJV as my primary reader, but do will sometimes refer to the alternate versions when doing a deep study. Yes they can have their place but once again we must take HEED, for even the elect may be deceived. I have a KJV published in 1898 and the one I carry today… NO CHANGES!!I challenge you to go tohttp://www.av1611.orgLook for the Articles: \tBible Verses Removed from New Versions and Bible Words Removed from New Versions and a Bible Version Comparison chart.This will give you a lot of information so you can be truly ready to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: … 1 Peter 3:15 What better way than to attack the standard and cause confusion within the body of Christ? How many have noticed that not many people are even carrying their sword to worship? If they do, the covers are still nice and new, not even having been wielded properly? We can not fight without the weapons given to us from the Father! THE WORD OF GOD IS A 2-EDGED SWORD!Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.Proverbs 3:5-8 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord and depart from evil.Proverbs 2:1-22 Reward of heeding wisdom.Quoting Matt25: My feeling is that no one is reading the Bible anymore, otherwise all of these new translations would be critiqued more heavily than they are. I close with the word from REV. 3: 20 - 22BEHOLD, I stand at the door (your heart) and knock: if any man hear my voice (the WORD), and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne even as I also overcame, and am sat down with my Father in his throne.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I admonish you to grab hold of the WORD OF GOD TODAY FOR IT IS LIFE AND HEALTH TO YOUR SOUL! JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH. HE IS THE MANNA WHICH BRINGS LIFE TO OUR SPIRIT. WE ARE TO DESIRE THE WORD MORE THAN OUR OWN FOOD.SET A STANDARD FOR THOSE AROUND YOU! GET IN THE WORD, DON’T SETTLE FOR A TRANSLATION, AN INTERPRETATION, OR A WATERED DOWN VERSION. 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not an author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. I remainAm_Lovin_HIM
BIBLE VERSION COMPARISONby Terry Watkins". . .ye have perverted the words of the living God. . ." Jeremiah 23:36The following table lists 300 verses that have been changed in the seven most popular versions. THE SEVEN MOST POPULAR VERSIONS\t\t\tNI\tNew International Version\tNAS\tNew American Standard VersionNKJ\tNew King James Version\tRS\tRevised Standard VersionNRS\tNew Revised Standard Version\tLB\tThe Living BibleNC\tNew Century Version\t\tVERSE\t DESCRIPTION OF CHANGE CHANGED IN...Matt. 1:25\tREM "Firstborn" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 5:22\tREM "without a cause"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 5:44\tREM 12 WORDS "bless them that curse you..."\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 6:13\tREM LAST 14 WORDS (For thine is the kingdom...)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 6:27\tCHG "cubit to his stature" TO "hour to his life" et. al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 6:33\tREM "of God"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 8:29\tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 9:13\tREM "to repentance" (see also Mark 2:17)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 11:23\tREM hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 12:6 \tREM "one greater" TO "something greater" \tNAS, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 12:35 \tREM "of the heart" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 12:40 \tCHG "whale" TO "fish", sea monster\tNI, NAS, NKJ, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 12:47 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, RS, NRS, Matt. 13:51\tREM "Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 15:8 \tREM "draweth nigh unto me with their mouth" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 16:3 \tREM "o ye hypocrites" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 16:18 \tREM hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 16:20 \tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 17:21\tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 18:11 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE (key verse) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 18:26 \tREM and worshipped him (for Jesus)\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 19:9 \tREM LAST 11 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 19:17 \tCHG "Why callest thou me good" TO "Why do you ask me about what is good" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 19:17 \tREM "God"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRSMatt. 20:7 \tREM "and whatsoever is right that shall ye receive" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 20:16 \tREM "for many be called but few chosen"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 20:20 \tCHG "worshipping him" TO "kneeling down" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS Matt. 20:22 \tREM 12 WORDS "baptized with Christ's baptism" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 21:44 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 23:14 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Matt. 23:33 \tCHG damnation TO condemn, et. al.\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 24:36 \tADD "nor the Son" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 24:36 \tCHG "my Father" TO "the Father" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 25:13 \tREM "wherein the Son of man cometh"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB Matt. 27:35\tREM LAST 25 WORDS\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 27:54\tCHG "the Son of God" TO "a son of God" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 28:2 \tREM "from the door" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Matt. 28:9 \tREM "And as they went to tell his disciples"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 1:1 \tREM the Son of God \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Mark 1:2 \tCHG "prophets" TO "Isaiah" (blatant LIE)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 1:14 \tREM "of the kingdom" (gospel ... of God) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 1:31 \tREM "immediately"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 2:17 \tREM "to repentance" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Mark 3:29 \tCHG "eternal damnation" TO "eternal sin", et al.\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 6:11 \tREM LAST 23 WORDS\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Mark 7:8 \tREM LAST 15 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 7:16 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 9:24 \tREM "Lord" (refers to Jesus)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 9:44 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 9:46 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 9:49 \tREM "and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 10:21 \tREM "take up the cross"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 10:24 \tREM "for them that trust in riches"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Mark 11:10 \tREM "that cometh in the name of the Lord\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 11:26 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 12:23 \tREM "when they shall rise"\tNI, RS, NRS, LB, Mark 12:40 \tCHG greater damnation TO punished most severely", greater condemnation" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 13:6 \tCHG I am Christ TO I am He, the One\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 13:14 \tREM "spoken of by Daniel the prophet"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 13:33 \tREM "and pray" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 14:68 \tREM "and the cock crew"\tNI, NAS, RS Mark 15:28 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Mark 16:9-20 \tREM ENTIRE LAST 12 VERSES of Mark 16!\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 1:28 \tREM "blessed art thou among women"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 2:14 \tCHG good will toward men TO to men on whom his favor rests"et al \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 2:22 \tCHG "her" TO "their" (makes Jesus a sinner) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Luke 2:33 \tCHG "Joseph" TO "his father" (attacks virgin birth)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Luke 2:43 \tCHG "Joseph and his mother" TO "parents"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 4:4 \tREM "but by every word of God"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 4:8 \tREM "get thee behind me, Satan"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 4:18 \tREM 8 WORDS "he hath sent me to heal..."\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Luke 4:41 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 6:48 \tCHG "founded upon a rock" TO "well built"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 9:54 \tREM "even as Elijah did" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 9:55 \tREM 9 WORDS "ye know not what manner of spirit..." \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 9:56 \tREM FIRST 16 WORDS For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 9:57 \tREM Lord \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 10:15 \tREM hell\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Luke 11:2 \tREM 15 WORDS from Lords prayer \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 11:4 \tREM but deliver us from evil (Lord's prayer)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 11:29 \tREM "the prophet" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 16:23 \tREM "hell" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 17:36 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 21:4 \tREM "cast in unto the offerings of God"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 21:8 \tCHG I am Christ TO I am He, the One \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 22:64 \tREM "they struck him on the face" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Luke 23:17 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 23:38 \tREM "letters of Greek,Latin, Hebrew"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 23:42 \tREM "Lord" (thief on the cross - getting saved!)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Luke 24:6 \tREM "He is not here, but is risen" \tRS, NRS Luke 24:49 \tREM "of Jerusalem" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBJohn 1:14, 18 \tREM "begotten"(refers to Jesus) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 1:27 \tREM "is preferred before me" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 3:13 \tREM "which is in heaven" (refers to Jesus)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 3:15 \tREM "should not perish" (believeth in him...)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 3:16 \tREM "begotten" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 3:18 \tREM "begotten" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 4:24 \tCHG God is a Spirit TO God is Spirit \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 4:42\tREM "the Christ"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 5:3\tREM LAST 7 WORDS\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 5:4\tREM ENTIRE VERSE\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 5:16\tREM "and sought to slay him" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 5:29\tCHG damnation TO condemn, judgement\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 6:47\tREM "on Me" (He that believeth...)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC John 6:69 \tCHG "Christ, the Son of the living God" TO "Holy One of God" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 7:53-8:11\tREM VERSES 7:53 - 8:11\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 8;9\tREM "being convicted by their own conscience"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 8:47\tREM "heareth God's words" TO "hears what God says"\tNI, NC John 8:59\tREM LAST 10 WORDS "going through the midst... \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 9:4\tCHG "I must work the works" TO "We must work the works"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 9:35 \tCHG "Son of God" TO Son of Man , Messiah\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 11:41 \tREM "For the place where the dead was laid"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 14:2 \tCHG "mansions" TO "rooms", "dwelling places"\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 14:16 \tCHG Comforter TO Helper, Counselor, et. al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC John 16:16\tREM "because I go to the Father"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC John 17:12\tREM "in the world"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tActs 1:3\tCHG "infallible" TO "convincing" et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 2:30 \tREM "he would raise up Christ\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 2:31 \tREM "hell"\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Acts 2:38 \tCHG remission of sins TO forgiveness of sins \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 4:27,30 \tCHG "holy child" TO "holy servant" (attacks deity)\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 7:30 \tREM "of the Lord" (angel of the Lord) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 7:37 \tREM "Him shall ye hear"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 8:37 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE (major salvation verse)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 9:5 \tREM "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 10:6 \tREM "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 15:11 \tREM "Christ"\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 15:18 \tCHG beginning of the world TO ...eternity, ...ages \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 15:34 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 16:31 \tREM "Christ" (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 17:16 \tCHG "stirred" TO "provoked", distressed et al.\tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 17:22 \tCHG "Mars Hill" TO" Areopagus" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Acts 17:22 \tREM "superstitious" TO "religious" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 17:26 \tREM "blood" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 17:29 \tCHG Godhead TO Divine Nature , divine being \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 19:35 \tREM worshipper \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 20:21 \tREM Christ \tNI, NRS, NC Acts 20:24 \tREM "none of these things move me. . ." \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 20:25 \tREM "of God" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBActs 23:9 \tREM "let us not fight against God" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 24:7 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Acts 24:14 \tCHG heresy TO sect \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB Acts 24:15 \tREM "of the dead" (Resurrection)\tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBActs 28:16 \tREM 11 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Acts 28:29 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tRomans 1:3 \tREM "Jesus Christ our Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS Romans 1:16 \tREM "of Christ" (gospel of Christ) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Romans 1:18 \tCHG "hold the truth" TO "suppress the truth" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 1:25 \tCHG "changed the truth" TO "exchanged the truth" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 1:29 \tREM "fornication" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 5:8 \tCHG commendeth to demonstrates , et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 6:8 \tCHG we be dead TO we died \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 6:11 \tREM our Lord \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Romans 8:1 \tREM LAST 10 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 9:28 \tREM "in righteousness" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 10:15 \tREM LAST 9 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 10:17 \tCHG "word of God" TO word of Christ \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 11:6 \tREM "LAST 18 WORDS ARE OMITTED" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 13:2 \tCHG damnation TO judgment et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 13:9 \tREM "Thou shall not bear false witness" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 14:6 \tREM 15 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 14:10 \tCHG "the judgement seat of Christ" TO "God's judgment seat" et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 14:21\tREM "or is offended, or is made weak" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 14:23 \tCHG damned TO condemned \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 15:8 \tREM Jesus \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Romans 15:19 \tREM "of God" \tNI, NAS, RS, LB, NC Romans 15:29 \tREM "of the gospel" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 16:18 \tCHG good words and fair speeches TO smooth talk and flattery \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Romans 16:24 \tREM ENTIRE VERSE \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC \t\tI Cor. 1:21 \tCHG "foolishness of preaching" TO "foolishness of the message preached" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 1:22 \tREM "require" TO "request", ask (Jews require a sign) \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 5:4 \tREM "Christ" (TWICE) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 5:7 \tREM "for us" (Christ sacrificed) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC I Cor. 6:9 \tCHG effeminate TO male prostitutes et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 6:20 \tREM "and in your spirit, which are God's" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC I Cor. 7:5 \tREM "fasting" (with prayer) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 7:39 \tREM "by the law" (The wife is bound) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 9:1 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 9:27 \tCHG "I keep my body" TO "I beat my body" et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 9:27 \tCHG "castaway" TO "disqualified" et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 10:28 \tREM LAST 10 WORDS ("the earth is the Lord's...") \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 11:11 \tREM "in the Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 11:24 \tREM "take eat . . . broken..." (Lord's Supper) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 11:29 \tCHG damnation TO judgment (Lord s Supper) \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 11:29 \tREM "unworthily" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC I Cor. 14:33 \tCHG "author of confusion" TO "a God of disorder" et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 15:47 \tCHG Lord from heaven TO man from heaven \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 15:55 \tCHG "grave" TO "Hades", death \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 16:22 \tREM "Jesus Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC I Cor. 16:23 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t2 Cor. 2:10 \tCHG "person of Christ" TO "presence of Christ" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor. 2:17 \tCHG "corrupt" TO "peddle", sell (word of God) \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor.4:6 \tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, LB, NC 2 Cor. 4:10 \tREM "the Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor. 5:17 \tCHG "creature" TO "creation" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor. 5:18 \tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC 2 Cor.10:5 \tCHG "Casting down imaginations" TO "We demolish arguments" et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor.11:6 \tCHG rude in speech TO untrained in speech \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Cor.11:31 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS \t\tGal. 2:20 \tREM "nevertheless I LBe" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal. 3:1 \tREM that ye should not obey the truth \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal.3:17 \tREM "in Christ" (confirmed...of God in Christ) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal. 4:7 \tREM "through Christ" (heir of God through Christ) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal. 5:4 \tCHG "no effect" TO "estranged from", alienated \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal. 6:15 \tREM "For in Christ Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Gal. 6:17 \tREM "the Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tEphesians 1:6 \tREM "accepted in the beloved" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Ephesians 3:9 \tREM "by Jesus Christ" (who created all things by) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Ephesians 3:14 \tREM "of our Lord Jesus Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Ephesians 5:9 \tCHG fruit of the Spirit TO fruit of the light \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Ephesians 5:30 \tREM "of his flesh, and of his bones" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tPhilippians 2:6 \tCHG "thought it not robbery to be equal with God TO did not consider equality with God something to be grasped et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Philippians 2:7 \tCHG "made" TO "emptied" \tNAS, RS, NRS, LB, Philippians 3:8 \tCHG dung TO rubbish , trash \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Philippians 3:16 \tREM LAST 13 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Philippians 4:13 \tCHG through Christ TO through him \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS \t\tColossians 1:2 \tREM "and the Lord Jesus Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Colossians 1:14 \tREM "through His blood" (redemption through...) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Colossians 1:28 \tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Colossians 3:6 \tREM "on the children of disobedience" \tNI, NAS, RS, LB, NC \t\t1 Thess. 1:1 \tREM LAST 9 WORDS (from God our father...) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Thess. 2:19 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS1 Thess. 3:11 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Thess. 3:13 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Thess. 5:22 \tCHG "all appearance of evil" TO "every form of evil" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t2 Thess. 1:8 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS 2 Thess. 1:12 \tREM Christ \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS \t\t1 Timothy 1:1 \tREM Lord \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC 1 Timothy 1:17 \tREM "wise" (the only wise God) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 2:7 \tREM "in Christ" (...the truth in Christ) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t1 Timothy 3:16 \tCHG "God" TO "he" (God manifest in the flesh) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 4:12 \tREM "in spirit" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 5:21 \tREM Lord \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC 1 Timothy 6:1 \tCHG blasphemed TO spoken against et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 6:5 \tCHG gain is godliness TO godliness is a means of gain et al. \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 6:5 \tREM "from such withdraw thyself" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC 1 Timothy 6:10 \tCHG "root of all evil" TO "root of all kinds of evil" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 6:19 \tCHG "eternal life" TO "the life that is truly life" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Timothy 6:20 \tCHG "science" TO "knowledge" \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t2 Timothy 1:11 \tREM "of the gentiles" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC 2 Timothy 2:15 \tREM "study" (only command to study the word) \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Timothy 3:3 \tCHG of those that are good TO good \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC 2 Timothy 4:1 \tREM "the Lord" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Timothy 4:22 \tREM "Jesus Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC \t\tHebrews 1:3 \tCHG "by himself purged our sins" TO "provided purification for sins" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Hebrews 2:7 \tREM LAST 10 WORDS (and didst set him over the works...) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Hebrews 3:1 \tREM "Christ Jesus" (High Priest of our...) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Hebrews 7:21 \tREM "after the order of Melchisedec" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Hebrews 10:34 \tREM "in heaven" (ye have in heaven a better) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Hebrews 11:11 \tREM "was delivered of a child" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tJames 5:16 \tCHG "faults" TO "sins" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC \t\t1 Peter 1:22 \tREM "through the Spirit" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 2:2 \tREM "of the word" (sincere milk of the word) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 2:2 \tCHG "grow thereby" TO "grow up in your salvation" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 3:15 \tCHG the Lord God TO Christ as Lord et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 4:1 \tREM "for us" (Christ hath suffered for us) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 4:14 \tREM LAST 15 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 5:10 \tREM "Jesus" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 5:11 \tREM "glory (to Him be glory and dominion) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 Peter 5:14 \tREM Jesus \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t2 Peter 2:1 \tCHG damnable TO destructive \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Peter 2:17 \tREM "for ever" (darkness is reserved for ever) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 2 Peter 3:9 \tREM "us" TO "you" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\t1 John 1:7 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 3:16 \tREM "of God" (love of God) \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 4:3 \tREM "Christ is come in the flesh" (antichrist) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 4:9 \tREM "begotten" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 4:19 \tREM him (We love him, because he first...) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 5:7 \tREM LAST 15 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 5:8 \tREM FIRST 9 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 5:13 \tREM LAST 13 WORDS \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC 1 John 5:13 \tADD continue to (denys eternal security) \tNKJ \t\t2 John 1:3 \tREM the Lord \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tJude 1:25 \tREM "wise" (Referring to God) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC \t\tRev. 1:8 \tREM "the beginning and the ending" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 1:9 \tREM Christ (TWICE) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 1:11 \tREM "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last . \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 1:18\tREM hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 2:13 \tCHG Satan's seat TO Satan s throne \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 2:15 \tREM "which thing I hate" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 5:14 \tREM "Him that liveth for ever and ever" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 6:8 \tREM Hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 6:17 \tCHG his wrath TO their wrath \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 8:13 \tCHG "angel" TO "eagle" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 11:15 \tCHG "kingdoms" TO "kingdom" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 11:17 \tREM "and art to come" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 12:12\tREM "inhabiters of" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 12:17 \tREM "Christ" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 14:5 \tREM "before the throne of God" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 15:3 \tCHG King of saints TO King of the ages et al. \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 16:5 \tREM and shalt be (refers to deity of Jesus) \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 16:7 \tCHG And I heard another out of the altar say TO And I heard the altar respond \tNI, NAS, RS, NRSRev. 16:17 \tREM "of heaven" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 20:9 \tREM "from God out of" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 20:12\tCHG "God" TO "throne" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 20:13 \tREM hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 20:14 \tREM hell \tNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC Rev. 21:24 \tREM "of them which are saved" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 22:14 \tCHG "do his commandments" TO "wash their robes" \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC Rev. 22:21 \tREM Christ \tNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC this can be found on http://www.av1611.org/look for the bible comparison chartI exhort you to let the Spirit of God lead you in your studies....
KJV Only enthusiasts believe that the KJV translators have given us God's perfect word in English and have actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts. Wow... not true at all. In fact, it's a very small minority of people who believe that, and it does not represent the vast majority.As with anything, there are people who take things to an extreme. If you read the writings of KJV supporters you will find that the credible ones do not support at all what you have stated. Thats just another un-truth thrusted upon an unsuspecting church that doesnt bother to take the time to actually examine the Bible version issue for themselves.The TNIV is another attack on the Word of God in a long line of previous attacks... from the RSV (Wescott & Hort) on. These "bibles" are not even based on the same greek text as the KJV, the Reformation Bibles, Tyndale, Wycliff... etc. Anyone who has even studied just the basics of the Bible version issue understands this.Krispy
If it were not for the gender neutral emphasis in the TNIV it would have actually been closer to a formal equivalence translation than the NIV which is a dynamic equivalence translation.I am of the same opinion that the TNIV and the NIV use inferior texts to translate the New Testament.
I edited my original statement regarding KJV Only advocates. Poor job of clarifying what I meant. I know not all KJV Only advocates beileve that the KJV improved upon the received text. I am mainly lashing out at those who treat the KJV like it is a new revelation and divinely inspired as a translation. I believe only the original text is divinely inspired and as such any translation from that text into another language is subject to man's flaws. The KJV is the best available english translation because it is based on the true text -- the received text.
I edited my original statement regarding KJV Only advocates. Poor job of clarifying what I meant. I know not all KJV Only advocates beileve that the KJV improved upon the received text. I am mainly lashing out at those who treat the KJV like it is a new revelation and divinely inspired as a translation. I believe only the original text is divinely inspired and as such any translation from that text into another language is subject to man's flaws. The KJV is the best available english translation because it is based on the true text -- the received text.Very well said... and you agree with probably 85% of the people who are labeled as KJV-Only. Welcome to our cult! :-P There really is no reason to lash out at the obscure few who do promote what you were coming against. They are a small voice... and an annoying one at that. Unfortunately, those who promote the modern versions have used the few to stereotype the many. It's kinda like saying "everyone in the south is a hillbilly". It's not true... we're really rednecks. LOL... just kidding. Anyway, you get what I mean.I wasnt offended, but if I need to forgive you for anything... I do. I'm glad you clarified your statement.Krispy
I know this thread asked for our thoughts on the TNIV, but I thought I would post this. It is from Terry Watkins website. I dont believe this is copyrighted... at least I couldnt find anything that said it was:TNIV & HOMOSEXUALITYIn 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the word of God delivers a very serious warning against certain sins. Among these sins is sodomy, or homosexuality. The TNIV obscures the seriousness of the judgement on "homosexuals" by confusing the sin of "homosexuals" by adding the word "practicing". It’s no longer "homosexuals" but "practicing homosexuals".1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters.9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.Practicing homosexuals? Where did the TNIV translators ever come up with such a biased, unwarranted, pro-homosexual wording? Why didn’t they say "practicing" adulterers, "practicing" thieves, or "practicing" drunkards, or "practicing" slanders? Hmm. . . Why just "practicing homosexuals"? The TNIV translators pull the same trick in 1 Timothy 1:101 Timothy 1:9-10, TNIV9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine Why not "practicing" murders, or "practicing" liars, or "practicing" slave traders?The fact is – every time "practicing" shows up in the TNIV it ONLY applies to "homosexuals". And the fact is – every time "homosexual" shows up in the TNIV it is blurred with "practicing". There is no basis in the Greek text for adding the word "practicing". Why do the homosexuals get special treatment? Hmm. . .What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a "monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don’t "practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created homosexuals? What are the TNIV really trying to say?Boy. . . oh boy. . .You talk about opening a confusing "can of worms". . .HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE ORIGINAL "NIV":The NIV-TNIV translators and the sin of sodomy or homosexuality have an on-going sympathetic relationship. The "original" NIV is also very kind to homosexuals. 1 Corinthians 6:9, in the "original" NIV is translated "homosexual offenders". Not just "homosexuals" but "homosexual OFFENDERS". And again, the obvious implication is "homosexuality" is fine. It’s just "homosexual OFFENDERS" that’s the problem.1 Corinthians 6:9-10, in the "original" NIV:Surely you know that the people who do wrong will not inherit God's kingdom. Do not be fooled. Those who sin sexually, worship idols, take part in adultery, those who are male prostitutes, or homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.The pro-homosexual, website, Religious Tolerance, heartily agrees with the NIV’s "homosexual friendly" translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9"The NIV contains the phrase: "homosexual offenders." Suppose for the moment that Paul had written "heterosexual offenders" or "heterosexual sexual offenders." We would not interpret this today as a general condemnation of heterosexuality; only of those heterosexuals who commit sexual offences. Perhaps the appropriate interpretation of this verse is that it does not condemn homosexuals. Rather it condemns homosexuals who engage in sexual offences."(http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm)The NIV’s "homosexual offenders" has lead many to refer to the NIV as the "homosexual version". The "USA forbidden" New International Version Inclusive Language (NIVI) also translates 1 Corinthians 6:9 as "homosexual offenders".Of all the mainstream translations, the NIV, NIVI and the TNIV are, FAR AND AWAY, the most friendly with homosexuals.Here’s how 1 Corinthians 6:9 reads in some of the other major versions:New American Standard Version (NASV) "homosexuals" Revised Standard Versions (RSV) "sexual perverts" King James Bibles (KJB) "abusers of themselves with mankind" New Century Version (NCV) "men who have sexual relations with other men" New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) "sodomites" New King James Version (NKJV) "sodomites" The Living Bible (TLB) "homosexuals" As you can see, homosexuals are much more acceptable in the NIV, NIVI and TNIV.THE NIV’S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET. . .It’s a dirty little secret, that radical feminist and lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott was a stylistic consultant for the "original" NIV translation team. Mollenkott, a very outspoken, lesbian and feminist, is the author of at least 11 highly controversial books such as Is The Homosexual My Neighbor, Omnigender: A Trans-Religious Approach, and Divine Feminine. After being exposed for having an open, militant, homosexual on the NIV translation staff, the NIV crew has vigorously attempted to deny the influence and sexual perversion of Mollenkott. They’ve claimed Mollenkott’s lesbianism was not known when Palmer asked her to participate on the NIV translation process. But Dr. Donald Waite, who taught with her at Shelton College in Ringwood, New Jersey, says he knew she was a lesbian as early as 1962-63 –many years before (1978) the NIV was published. Dr. Waite, also has a letter, from Bob Jones, Jr. (Bob Jones University), addressing Mollenkott’s attraction to "young girls", as far back as the 1950’s. The BJU letter states, "We had a definite problem with her because she insisted on hobnobbing with a few girls when she was employed as a teacher here for one year in the fifties."And in Episcopal, Witness (June 1991, pp. 20-23), Mollenkott readily confessed, "My lesbianism has ALWAYS been a part of me. . ." Mollenkott, says in the pro-homosexual Evangelicals Concerned's Spring 1997 Record, "I came of age [lesbianism] in the 1940s and 1950s, discovering my own sexuality at a time when only negative information was available to me...I was one of the many gay teenagers. . ." If the NIV staff did not know Mollenkott was a lesbian, it was simply because they did not want to know. It was a Clinton, "don’t ask, don’t tell" cover-up.What about Mollenkott’s influence on the NIV?In an interview with Joseph Chambers, Virginia Mollenkott, explained her role in the NIV translation process:"I worked mainly in solitude. . . they would send me big swatches of translations. . . and `my job' was to read them with an eye as to how this would communicate with the modern reader, and to indicate if I thought there were any infelicities [inappropriate, or awkward] in language that could be corrected... So, I would write notes all over manuscripts which I was sent, both praising phraseology that I thought was wonderful and raising questions or asking-for instance something I would typically write would be, `Would the Greek or would the Hebrew permit this word' which would seem to me to be much more understandable or clear to a modern reader?..."Now, what do you suppose Virginia Mollenkott wrote if she received 1 Corinthians 6:9, or 1 Timothy 1:10? Possibly "homosexual OFFENDERS" rather than a general condemnation of "homosexuals"? Not surprising, the NIV completely removes the word "sodomy".
Casting in my lot, I have to agree with Krispy's post below. Very powerful information. I don't want to say anthing other than I do not approve, will not use or sell it in our bookstore and ever since it's inception was pitched at CBA years ago, have opposed it.
I use KJV, always felt like I should. What about the NEW King James Version? Our Pastor preaches with the NKJV.On another note, I was teaching a class the other day, and someone said, I don't have that in my bible! (they had NIV)I can't remember the scripture, but it proves the point.
What about the NEW King James Version? Our Pastor preaches with the NKJV.Proabably Phil. 2:6 is the most damning verse for the NKJV. Compare the KJV and the NKJV:KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:NKJV: Who being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be graspedThat is a direct attack on the diety of Jesus Christ.Compare the following verses between the KJV and the NKJV... and decide for yourself if the NKJV is an accurate Bible:Lk. 16:23John 5:24Acts 2:38Acts 17:16-17,22Rom. 1:28-32Rom. 2:2Rom. 4:7I Cor. 1:22I Cor. 11:29II Cor. 2:17 II Cor. 5:17II Cor. 10:5Gal. 4:17Gal. 5:4Eph. 6:12Phil. 2:8Phil. 3:2Col. 2:12Col. 2:14-15; 17-18Col. 3:2I Thess. 5:22I Thess. 5:23II Thess. 2:7II Thess. 2:12I Tim. 1:4I Tim. 3:6I Tim. 4:1I Tim. 5:1I Tim. 6:5I Tim. 6:10I Tim. 6:20II Tim. 2:5II Tim. 2:12-13II Tim. 2:14-15II Tim. 4: 2-5Heb. 12:8Ja. 5:16I Jn. 2:2I Jn. 3:6I Jn. 3:8- 9II Jn. 10Jude 6,8,12,15,19,24Rev. 1:18Rev. 6:14Krispy
One more thing about the NKJV... pronouns. Thee, thou, ye, you... The original languages had different words for "you" singular, and "you" plural. In today's English we use the same word "you" whether we are speaking to one person, or many. The KJV translators used "thee" and "thou" as singular "you", and "ye" and "you" as plural.For instance, if I say "I want thee to sing this song" ... and we are in a room full of people, you know I am speaking to only one person. BUT, if I say "I want you to sing this song", then you can know I want everyone in the room to sing.But when you remove the thees & thous... and use only "you", that is lost, and in many passages of the Bible it changes the meaning... and in some instances, the complete doctrine.Thats a very simple explanation of this, and I know philologos or someone else can offer a better explanation... but I think you can understand what I'm trying to say.Krispy
Proabably Phil. 2:6 is the most damning verse for the NKJV. Compare the KJV and the NKJV: KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: NKJV: Who being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped That is a direct attack on the diety of Jesus Christ.Krispy, are you sure you're quoting the Philippians verse from the New King James Version? The verse does not read that way in the online version of the NKJV found at Crosswalk.com, it reads as follows;who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, (Philippians 2:6)Here is a link directly to the verse on NKJV on Crosswalk.comIn Christ,Ron
I think the TNIV should be the next candidate for a Revolve NT Mag-Bible :-P :-P
It's funny how passionate people are on this subject...Especially because we are only talking about the English Translation of text. We have to remember that Scripture has been translated into thousands of languages all over the world, thankfully! We have a couple from our church who work for a translation ministry. They have the tedious task of translating Scripture into hundreds of different dialects just for one small country in Africa. No version is perfect!! Even the KJV is flawed!! Besides that the Old English language used in the KJV is very confusing. How do you translate the word Thou or Thee into Chinese? As far as the TNIV goes I personally have major concerns because it eliminates gender. I would personally not use it because of that! Leonard Ravenhill once referenced these lines from the old hymn, Break Thou The Bread of Life!beyond the sacred page I seek thee, Lord; my spirit pants for thee, O Living Word!Ultimately we should be seeking to know the Lord more! Jesus Himself is the Word! p.s. I'm a NIV, NASB, NKJ version guy!
Ultimately we should be seeking to know the Lord more! Jesus Himself is the Word! Then you see why if the Word is corrupt then our picture of exactly who Jesus is, is corrupt. I am against most of the new translations because I believe they are using the wrong texts. Not sure if you've done any study on this but it is fascinating to see how the new translators are using "new and improved" texts which only make up 5% of all available manuscripts. The other 95% of what is commonly called the Textus Receptus (received text) is ignored all together. If your friends who translate use the correct texts then I'm quite sure their translations are fine. I believe the message of the Gospel is so strong that it can speak even through inferior translations but I also believe that the new translations are bowing to political correctness and to pluralism and the church is suffering because compromise is everywhere. For example, how is John 6:47 an improvement upon the majority text?KJV -- Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.NIV -- I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting lifeNASB -- "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life"NKJV -- Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. (BUT WITH A NOTE IN THE MARGIN THAT SAYS "NU-TEXT OMITS "ON ME") referring to the minority text Help me figure out how deleting "in me" is NOT an attack on the exclusive claim that Christ made about himself being the only Way, the only truth, and the only life. "He who believes" in what? Allah? Buddah? my Dog?Leonard Ravenhill once referenced these lines from the old hymn, Break Thou The Bread of Life!In his 2 hour long interview which you can download from this site you will hear Ravenhill say these exact words: "I still think the King James version is nearest to the best." If you listen to his sermons you'll also hear Ravenhill refer to the King James as "the Living Bible" implying that the new translations are inferior and compromised.
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