Christian TV host asks God for ‘military takeover’ of Obama’s presidency

Rick Joyner is ridiculous.

Frank wrote:

It was passed by congress and the senate, signed into law, challenged up to the supreme court and tested in a general election where it was the made the central issue and the country chose. We are witnessing lawlessness whereby the country is held hostage and shut down by a minority who cannot and will not accept any other opinion other than their own.

Hi Frank,

You are in biblical error when you suggest that Congress is somehow 'lawless' by voting against government run healthcare. To suggest this is not rightly dividing the word of truth.

Using your line of reasoning (again, I've communicated this to you personally) the 3 Hebrew children were rightfully thrown in the fire for their rebellion due to the fact that they disagreed with the majority.

Additionally, the law HAS NOT been 'tested to the Supreme Court' there are countless challenges to it in Appeals courts now (see Hobby Lobby).

appolus.....The irony is that the present government shutdown is an attempt to strike down a law that was passed, whether you like the law or not, legitimately. It was passed by congress and the senate, signed into law, challenged up to the supreme court and tested in a general election where it was the made the central issue and the country chose.

So do you condone the President allowing big business to have a year grace period, and "WE The People" have no grace period and will begin paying today. This is a perfect example of the "Double Standard America" we live in, this is why folks are fed up and have shutdown the government. Thank God at least right or wrong, we have some folks in Washington fighting for us, if not the Government would have already taken over, and our freedom would be completely out the window. Rather anyone wants to believe this or not, we are headed to a socialist nation, if you can't see this your blind, deaf and dumb.

Hi Frank,

With all do respect I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you directly.

We are witnessing lawlessness whereby the country is held hostage and shut down by a minority who cannot and will not accept any other opinion other than their own.

Men voting the way that their constituents are asking them to vote is not lawlessness my friend and for you to insinuate that is biblical error.

Yes, I understood perfectly what you meant, and what you mean is biblical error.

Many thanks!

Mr. Bear, I am not arguing if it's the law of the land, it's just not the law for everyone yet, just the people not big business. How about we adopt a law that says, if Mr. bear runs a stop sign he gets a ticket, but if any big business vehicle runs it they will not get a ticket until one year from now.

Hmmm.... I actually read the article. Not exactly as seems to be portrayed .. which is typical.

In part the context had to be understood.

Joyner clarified what he was saying -

"The people are not always right, it depends on what people they are. And another thing the founders warned about is this thing will only work for a moral and a religious people. You remove morality, you remove the religious influence, and it cannot work.”

"We’re headed for serious tyranny, a terrible tyranny right now,” he continued. "But guess what? The kingdom is coming, the Kingdom of God is coming. And America is not the Kingdom of God. I think we have been used in some wonderful and powerful ways by God, we’ve been one of the most generous nations in history. We’ve done so much good.”

"That’s why I appeal to the Lord: Don’t let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us. And as I’ve been telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there because the system is so broken.”

He states that righteousness is severely lacking in our government and appeals to the Lord to save this once great land. He speculates that a military intervention may be the only thing equal to that task.

Is he correct in that assumption?

It is true that many military leaders who are seen as less than willing to subvert the constitution have been forced to retire the last few years. There has been a clear attempt over the last several years to put as many senior leaders as possible into place that will unquestioningly obey orders from the white house regardless of the implications against the constitution,

Quote: Joyner added that the "only hope is a military takeover, martial law.”

What a fool instead calling Christian to pray and fast and repent for the sins of the nations, he says the only hope is a military takeover...

He is a Idiot....

Just-in wrote

It is truly sad and irresponsible, Colin. I hope the Church repudiates him and I think many are, through emails and articles. He should repent publicly of his very public statement. How do we expect the Lord to work through the State if we set ourselves up as enemies against them for things other than the Gospel? God gave us the KJV through the state and He has worked through them on many others things to give us a peaceful place to live. But Joyner is just "bucking" for a fight and it has nothing to do with the Gospel.

This is an "evil work" by Joyner.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

This raises a very interesting question .... at least for Americans. British and Canadians may have their own interesting perspectives as well I suppose.

The question then is this -

Do you hold that the US War of Independence was then an unjust war and done in clear violation of God's Word in the Romans 13:3 verse you quoted?

Was the Declaration of Independence conceived in rebellion to God and the Revolutionary War and subsequent US Constitution then based upon raw rebellion to God and His ordained authority?

Were the founders of the Republic also engaging in an "evil work" in your opinion?

I don't know that I really have a strong opinion myself. However on the surface it seems that however a person views one might be how they have to view the other.

After all ... when it is said and done the US War for Independence from Britain was fougt over taxes. It was a tax revolt pure and simple. The British believed that the colonists should foot at least part of the costs for garrisoning the troops there to protect them. These British troops were in the colonies at the colonists request. When asked to pay part of the cost of their expenses by a small set of very modest taxes the colonists revolted. British powers responded with force to "enforce" the taxes ... each side amassed arms... shots were fired at Concord ... and the rest is history, as they say.

Would people today feeling they were having a similar taxation set on them without just representation in their minds be in the same position as the colonists?

Were the colonists being ungodly? Is a person rebelling at what they believe to be unjust taxes being ungodly?

Not sure I really have an opinion yet but it is very interesting to consider and it will be debated more and more as this plays out. It may be important for churches to get the mind of God on this as it will certainly become a front burner issue for more and more people.

If ever we needed wisdom it is today!

Quote: I thought 90 percent of the work of the KJV was the work of William Tyndale who was executed by the state for translating the Bible into English.

Quote: Only a few years later a King called James took credit for work that had been done by one of God's martyrs executed by said state.

Not a few years but 76 years...and the he was murdered in Brussels which is in Belgium.. not in the UK..

In 1535, Tyndale was arrested and jailed in the castle of Vilvoorde (Filford) outside Brussels for over a year. In 1536 he was convicted of heresy and executed by strangulation, after which his body was burnt at the stake. His dying request that the King of England's eyes would be opened seemed to find its fulfillment just two years later with Henry's authorization of The Great Bible for the Church of England””which was largely Tyndale's own work. Hence, the Tyndale Bible, as it was known, continued to play a key role in spreading Reformation ideas across the English-speaking world and eventually, on the global British Empire.

His version worked prominently into the Geneva Bible which was taken to the New World to Jamestown, Virginia in 1607, and on the Mayflower in 1620.

Notably, in 1611, the 54 independent scholars who created the King James Version, drew significantly from Tyndale, as well as translations that descended from his. One estimate suggests the New Testament in the King James Version is 83% Tyndale's, and the Old Testament 76%.

The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611. First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker, this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great Bible commissioned in the reign of King Henry VIII, and the second was the Bishops' Bible of 1568. In January 1604, King James I convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans, a faction within the Church of England.