Get your fiscal house in order: China warns US

sermonindex Oct 8, 2013

China, the biggest foreign creditor of the United States, has waded into the American budget crisis, warning Congress that it must resolve the political impasse over the debt ceiling without further delay.

The Chinese Vice Foreign Minister, Zhu Guangyao, told America’s deadlocked politicians on Monday that "the clock is ticking” and called on them to approve an extension of the national borrowing limit before the federal government is projected to run out of cash on 17 October.

"We ask that the United States earnestly takes steps to resolve in a timely way the political issues around the debt ceiling and prevent a US debt default to ensure the safety of Chinese investments in the United States,” Mr Zhu told reporters in Beijing. "This is the United States’ responsibility,” he added. ...

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murrcolr Oct 8, 2013

I know I am from the UK, but both of our governments have over spent. They stand up in front of us and keep saying the deficits are falling, but the national debt just keeps on growing. This can’t go forever and I feel that at some stage it will come crashing down….

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enid Oct 8, 2013

At least Pharaoh had Joseph...

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Sidewalk Oct 9, 2013

If the house of cards goes down, and I can't envision a scenario where it doesn't, the global collapse of currency values will be unprecedented and sudden. The fact that the people of the United States elected to the highest office of the world's most critical economy a man with no history and no experience still boggles my feeble old brain.

I can only believe that it is the Devine working of God's judgement that is coming to pass. He can only take so much...

"Do not lay up for yourselves earthly treasures..."

God! Where the heck is our Joseph??

sermonindex Oct 9, 2013

ask yourself this....why are the Chinese issuing such 'warnings'?....could it be the fact they hold $1.7 TRILLION in US debt instruments?

we've run a neat little scheme for years, they manufacture on the cheap,all the consumer goods, electronics, textiles, shoes, etc, that American workers USED to manufacture....and we give slips of papers for these cheap shoddy goods, which are peddled throughout this nation at the thousands of Wal-Marts, who WE ALL subsidize, because Wal-Mart, makes certain most of their "employees" are so ill paid, ie "the working poor", that cant even afford health insurance, which the Fed or state picks up that tab....another little scheme....a nation of schemers, high and low.

why should God give us a "Joseph"? the last President that TRIED to reverse the disastrous course we are on, they blew the front of his skull off with a high powered bullet in Dallas on 22 November 1963, as JFK has issued orders to bring ALL 16,000 American troops home from Vietnam....and if you despise JFK because you been seduced by the Republican parties syrupy promises to fight both abortion on demand and the "homosexual agenda"...its only because of JFK's wisdom in leadership, that we are here communicating, instead of random carbon particles floating in radioactive lunarscape.....but, give it time saints....that's coming..

(as a sidenote, think not I have ANY love for the democratic party....both parties are rank foul wicked idolators, fore they worship the golden calf....and WILL pay the price)

but on the subject of "where is our Joseph?"

look in the mirror.....any here, do you even have a tenth of an ounce of silver, to replace those slips of paper, that funny money?....in your larder, can you measure your food in terms of a few days worth?....let alone 6 months worth?....and did you listen to the Words of Jesus, when He said, "sell your cloak and buy a sword?"

I don't mean to sound harsh....no....i'm heartbroken, the more days pass in this year 2013, I KNOW how Jeremiah must have felt, except I haven't been given what that prophet head, which was the Book of Consolation, chapters 30 thru 33, which contained The Word of the New Convenant....I have John's Revelation, and though the New Jerusalem is Godly Comfort....remember you pass thru the fire, which is why when I hear saints wistfully says, Come Jesus, Come...in my soul, I think, you don't really know what you are praying as the Day of the LORD will be.........unlike anything EVER.

I have a son ,my precious son, I could say, my best friend, 18 now, and he's 2,000 miles away.....now, we were BOTH water baptized TOGETHER when he was 7, HIS request, so I know that I know, we will be together on the far banks of the Jordan, together, eternally.....but I sure would like just to hug him a spell, and eat some Chinese food together, or maybe one of those Subway meatball subs he turned me onto, when he was little. that's all I want Lord, amen.

Carter Family - Waitin on the Far Side Banks of Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFJzqIRK2ic

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dohzman Oct 10, 2013

by HezWelling on 2013/10/9 :ask yourself this....why are the Chinese issuing such 'warnings'?....could it be the fact they hold $1.7 TRILLION in US debt instruments?

we've run a neat little scheme for years, they manufacture on the cheap,all the consumer goods, electronics, textiles, shoes, etc, that American workers USED to manufacture....and we give slips of papers for these cheap shoddy goods, which are peddled throughout this nation at the thousands of Wal-Marts, who WE ALL subsidize, because Wal-Mart, makes certain most of their "employees" are so ill paid, ie "the working poor", that cant even afford health insurance, which the Fed or state picks up that tab....another little scheme....a nation of schemers, high and low.

Very true Very true!!I am not sure that the Lord can fix America. I do believe that He can save some for the last great gathering of saints before the day of fear over takes this country and in a moment lays it waste.

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murrcolr Oct 10, 2013

Quote: look in the mirror.....any here, do you even have a tenth of an ounce of silver, to replace those slips of paper, that funny money?....in your larder, can you measure your food in terms of a few days worth?....let alone 6 months worth?....and did you listen to the Words of Jesus, when He said, "sell your cloak and buy a sword.

I have supplied a link to a video, it's about the UK national debt. But its good for anyone that countries debt is large. It not a prophecy teacher or the like it's a company who advise there clients on money matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYVZKpH3pnM

The economies of the world are going to come crashing down, I guess we all heard stories 20 years ago about the day that's coming, "people being able to buy things for next to nothing" so many people are in debt and will be desperate for the very basic things food.

Get out of debt!!!!

On the food issue do you know that the bee's are just disappearing, do you know that they (bee's) pollenate 1/3 of the food of the world. Lose the bee then crops production fails...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX36VqKCp70

Prepare yourself for what is coming!!!!

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Heydave Oct 10, 2013

Hi Colin,

Interesting you posted this video link, as about the same time you did I was looking at an article written by the same magazine here: http://bit.ly/17hXUfX

I'll now watch that video.

Thanks!

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murrcolr Oct 10, 2013

Looking at the article it's the same as the video.

When I get home on Saturday, I am going to get the wife to watch this video. So that we can both work together to make prepartions right now for what is coming. Not because of the video, the video just explains why it will fail, I know and have known for a long time it's going to fail.

sermonindex Oct 10, 2013

Bretheren not down playing the need for physical preparation. What about spiritual preparation?

I ser this as a pkoy to bring the US into the NWO. If this nation defaults on its debts a sceneteo would ensue of a world wide economic collapse. A good time for an antichrist figure to step in and save the world.

Another type of scenereo would be the US defaults on its debts and China, probably under UN mandate occupies the US to oversee payment if its debts. Again bringing this nation into the realm of the antichrist.

However you look at this the outcome is not good. Ultimately whatever does happen Christians will be persecuted. That is why I ask what about spiritual preparation. How much time is one spending in the word and prayer. How much time is one spending seeking Jesus.

One might say Bear you are crazy. You are paranoid. No one is going to persecute Christians. The death camps you keep mentioning are urban myth. The guillotines are just some fabrication of your imagination.

Then I ask you is the government shutdown part of my imagination. Is the possibility of defaulting on it's debts. You br the judge.

Bearmaster.

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Elibeth Oct 11, 2013

Bear,..brother
NO,..You are not speaking crazy words.I believe we all know, that ' in Him"
Is our only solution for all ill's.

They are good words for encouraging us to turn our love and concern
to the one who created life and death.He who,not even a sparrow falls
to the ground that He does not know about.Even the hairs on our heads,..
He knows.

We must know how to be over-comers, in Him no matter what happens,...remembering Steven also,..that The Lord saved Steven to the utter-most,when He brought him all "The Way " through and out the other side,still in Him.
John the Baptist and Jesus came preaching 'The kingdom of God / Heaven. And on and on Paul and others preached things pertaining to,
and the principles of that Kingdom,..the gospel,..the whole counsel of God,...How we are to live in that Kingdom,
under the leading of His Spirit,under the leadership of that King.

What I am trying to get at,..Jesus said, if we will seek the Kingdom of God ,
and His righteousness,( this is the key to our hope and help.)He would take care of our food and clothing.)

If we have not done so already, we could and should begin crying out to The Lord,to put that desire within us.( this Grace of drawing us,to Him,
and His 'Way'.)

Isn't that a great comfort He has given us?We do not know how He will do it,when rough times come,.even in the sever ' mark of the beast' times).but God will surely do it ! We know that He cannot lie.Even from the beginning of time, He did-not just throw people upon the earth and not have a provision for us,...but provided all down through time,with new know- how,where people could have jobs to provide for their families.

But doesn't it take a LOT of love for Him,for us to do that ,..to seek His will?..(Thy will and not my will)..But we can remember that it says perfect love casteth out fear.(Perfect love is loving God,with all of our heart,mind ,soul,strength) (only then,can we have peace,..a trusting in Him.

' Loving God'?....but do I know what I am saying ?
In the beginning was the Word,...Spirit,Speaking,and then what came out of Jesus' mouth,...the Word of God ! We cannot have Jesus,and not have
the Word's of God,that He spoke.

Not all of us,...but there may be some here, that are maybe young in The Lord,Who might would say " But how do we seek the Kingdom of God,and
His righteousness " ?

To these I would say, Repent,and believe the gospel.,....the gospel is centered around and about the Kingdom of God.
A place where the King comes in by ' Way' of the Holy Spirit,...to live inside of us ,...to give us Life from our old dead life..... to rule / be Lord ,..in our lives.

To seek Him is to ask as Paul asked,in the book of Acts,...'What would Thou have for me to do,Lord?
And I believe that was a constant desire and asking of Paul,to The Lord.

Is it a must that we be built- up in Him before the perilous times are completely upon us,..are isn't it a real danger,that one might run low or out of the Oil,.. be weak and we will take the mark,and be doomed forever?

Not that The Lord may direct us in provision,as He has done before in His people before as to storing up,but all one can store-up in those times, will not help for the long run,if we are not His children as far as bringing us all the Way through,still IN Him.

We all know,He is our ONLY solution,...and has always been man's ONLY
rightly solution.

Am I being too blunt ?
Neither that I am speaking down, and I,myself am higher up,...No no !

But I am sharing my Bread.
Lovingly,
elizabeth

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enid Oct 11, 2013

Watched the video. Was really interesting. It's good to be informed of what most the popular media never discloses.

In Luke 21, Jesus tells us of distress of nations with perplexity. And also of men's hearts failing from fear.

As Jesus also said, the scriptures must be fulfilled.

They must.

If our trust and confidence is in Him, that fear will not be there.

For even in the most difficult times, He is our peace.

God bless.

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Heydave Oct 11, 2013

Quote: "Bretheren not down playing the need for physical preparation. What about spiritual preparation? "

I agree with you Bear. That's what I get out of considering these events. We have to recognise that the video posted is produced from a 'worldly' perspective, so while the facts and predictions are useful, the emphasis is how can you protect your wealth. Obviously as Christians this should not be our focus. I watched it through the eyes of 'how is this going to affect the social and spiritual life of a nation'.

I thought was interesting that they related the current debt crisis and eventual economic collapse to what happened before in history and in particular Germany in the 1930s, which gave rise to the Hitler and the Nazis. We know the pattern and we know scripture. These events should not take us by surprise, but it's getting closer by the day!

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murrcolr Oct 11, 2013

Quote: "Bretheren not down playing the need for physical preparation. What about spiritual preparation? "

What I see happening is a move of God, in the middle of a debt crisis.. I don't see it as Judgement but rather it's God disciplining us. So that we turn back to him.

One of the things God said to me about the move of God, is that it will be the preparation for us, and he will raise up a people to confront the anti-christ.

You could say that is a headline news, but I don't know all the small details.

At the sermonindex conference in Greenock, Scotland, Carter Colon mentioned that God spoke to him, when he was a police officer and that we will see a move of God but during a time of financial stress. He mentioned that goverments will have no money, and public parks and the like will not be taken care of because of the lack of money...

What we need to prepare for is debt crisis, move of God which will will us to confront the anti-Christ.