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North Korea and the prayer network

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DEADn Dec 4, 2013

I am sure there are many people praying for North Korea and the people of North Korea. Yet, how does a person every grow in their faith when praying for North Korea? 3 generations of leadership and a very reckless leadership. Practically kidnapping people and making false accusations to them in order to take them captive. Yet, when people pray are they simply believing God for 'something'. Is it trusting the invisible God for the things being done that are not seen if indeed God is working in the invisible in North Korea.

With the few prophets that are out there, I think, has there even been anyone who has prophesied anything to or about North Korea? The whole situation seems like an enigma to me and I ask myself inside what exactly is God doing in that country because the darkness is so great and it seems to be more suffocating then ever. Even to the extent that it is dangerous to even visit the country as a tourist like the Korean veteran did and not is held captive.

Thought?
John

sermonindex Dec 4, 2013

John,

In praying for persecuted nations one is not readily going to see imediate fruit or answers to prayers. I tell those who pray on Persecution Watch that only in eternity will we see the true fruit our prayers that were prayed this side of eternity.

Yet we pray with faith expectancy that God is working behind the scenes in the invisible.

From what I read God is working in N. Korea. And we should continue to pray for that nation.

Don't know if this answers your question. But I pray it helps.

Blaine

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KPYee Dec 4, 2013

Once I wondered why God allowed communism to rule over Russia . But seeing Russia today I understand. Today Russia is a much more godly nation than the west , And its all because of persecution under communism ..Communism rule lasted 70 years in Russia. During that period many among us thought God has forgotten the Christians there ..But now Russia is much more a beacon for the Lord than the western nations. They passed laws criminalizing sodomy propaganda and another one protecting Christianity.What we see today in Russia shows the wisdom of God .The same can be said of China today.And the same will be true of North Korea when God is done with the Kim dynasty .. North Korea will emerge from communism as a Godly Christ loving nation .. Let our Lord do His work .. He never abandons His people. Keep on praying .. Never stop .. Dont allow the lack of visible results dishearten us .Our prayers are effective in promoting His cause ..

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Lysa Dec 5, 2013

DEADn wrote:
With the few prophets that are out there, I think, has there even been anyone who has prophesied anything to or about North Korea?

I don't know about prophesying but the Lord showed RA Torrey's grandson that the wall WOULD FALL in North Korea and to prepare teams to be ready to go in and minister to the Hermit Kingdom. There is TONS of information on this website. And they send to your email a monthly prayer calendar on praying for north and south Korea.

http://thefourthriver.org/home.htm

Description: This website exists as a knowledge base to educate about North Korea and prepare for its opening. Provided in this site is valuable knowledge and opportunities relating to North Korea in a broad range of fields and from different perspectives.

I hope this helps.

God bless,
Lisa

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DEADn Dec 5, 2013

Lysa, I will check that link out

KPYee
It causes me to wonder what happened in Russia that they went under communism if communism what a Judgement. Then, what happened in North Korea before the communists came in there if that is also a judgement.


There is often a vast gulf between what we see in the natural and what is going on the supernatural and as humans we fret very easily. I am wonder what things are going on with Christians in North Korea that are keeping them going forward and through that if any government people have been 'changed'. That question may or may not be answered but these are the thoughts that I peer at on my mental bookshelf and just wonder why. I have not heard an answer in response to those thoughts just yet.

John

sermonindex Dec 5, 2013

Dear brother,

If you have not seen it yet, this free ebook has whole sections on north korea and telling Christians in the West to prepare for coming persecution: https://www.sermonindex.net/fellowships/principlesbook.php


PRINCIPLES FROM THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH IN NORTH KOREA

Principle 43 - North Korea Leader, an Image of Antichrist (pdf)
Principle 44 - A Cost to be Part of the Church (pdf)
Principle 45 - Five Challenging Reminders (pdf)
Principle 46 - Meeting in Home Churches (pdf)
Principle 47 - The Lord's Day can be Everyday! (pdf)
Principle 48 - We are a Body of Christ Together (pdf)
Principle 49 - Sharing and Memorization of Scripture (pdf)
Principle 50 - Not Merely Listening (pdf)
Principle 51 - Measuring True Christian Growth (pdf)
Principle 52 - The Practice of Teaching Children (pdf)
Principle 53 - Raising up Many Leaders In the Body (pdf)
Principle 54 - Remembering the Poor (pdf)
Principle 55 - Witnessing and Missions Work by Faith (pdf)

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KPYee Dec 6, 2013

Jesus Christ in their hearts is what keep them going on .Not just going on . But actually flourishing emotionally and spiritually .. They draw their strength from the Lord by deep communion with Him made necessary by the presence of a a powerful menacing enemy . In many ways they are much more fortunate than us. Persecution by such a powerful enemy forces them to throw all their dependency on the Lord.The result is that these Christians are many multiples more spiritual than most Christians in the west .. Theirs is a case of how God refines us through suffering . How He bonds with us through our pains and deprivations . Many Christians puzzle over why the good suffers . The simple truth is in a world of sin, suffering is God's greatest blessing on mankind .. Its how the good become godly and how the sinners are purged and how the lukewarm becomes passionate . ..Thank God for pains and sufferings ., Persecution is coming to many places in the west . Dont fear it .. Welcome it for it will make manifest the Lord's glories unto us .

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DEADn Dec 6, 2013


Jesus Christ in their hearts is what keep them going on .Not just going on . But actually flourishing emotionally and spiritually .. They draw their strength from the Lord by deep communion with Him made necessary by the presence of a a powerful menacing enemy . In many ways they are much more fortunate than us. Persecution by such a powerful enemy forces them to throw all their dependency on the Lord.The result is that these Christians are many multiples more spiritual than most Christians in the west .. Theirs is a case of how God refines us through suffering . How He bonds with us through our pains and deprivations . Many Christians puzzle over why the good suffers . The simple truth is in a world of sin, suffering is God's greatest blessing on mankind .. Its how the good become godly and how the sinners are purged and how the lukewarm becomes passionate . ..Thank God for pains and sufferings ., Persecution is coming to many places in the west . Dont fear it .. Welcome it for it will make manifest the Lord's glories unto us .

Have you read testimonies from North Koreans that will agree with your words? Very few people have come out of North Korea so how do we know what is going on with those who are Christian in North Korea?


btw, I did download that book and put it on my USB for reading.

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KPYee Dec 6, 2013

Deadn

There is an article recently on this issue at :http://www.religiontoday.com/blog/north-korean-christians-pray-free-christians-realize-god-is-all-you-need.html

A quote from that article :

One of the first things Eric Foley, the co-founder of Seoul USA, learned about the North Korean underground church is that it is not a group to be pitied. About 10 years ago Foley asked a member of the underground church how he could pray for them. He recalls the North Korean’s response, "You, pray for us? We pray for you … because South Korean and American churches believe challenges in the Christian faith are solved by money, freedom, and politics. It’s only when all you have is God do you realize God is all you need.”

We actually dont need testimonials from them .. Christians who walk with the Lord daily understand the emotional and spiritual complexes of the faithfuls are rooted in the love of Jesus in their hearts and souls ..If the love for Him is there nothing can even come close to overwhelm us .. In fact we revel in tribulations .. Its from pains we grow daily to be more like Him. Seek Him daily in prayers and in meditation on His word and you will comprehend this ..

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DEADn Dec 8, 2013

Lysa

I sent an email to that link you gave me and they responded to me within 24 hours. They even put me on their mailing list so this should be interesting!

I also found it interesting that Merill was released by North Korea after being held since October.

John

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jujashan4 Dec 9, 2013

Thanks KYPee, I believe you're right.
Let's not get hung up on the government system there etc but let's pray for tbe Nth Korean believers that they'll know tbe Lords presence and strength with them. I'm sure our brethren there are shining brightly but we who enjoy such freedom need to earnestly pray.

sermonindex Dec 9, 2013

Brethren, the North Korean nation is in the grips of a demonic antichrist philosophy called Joiche. Thus you are dealing with a demonic force, not a physical governmental system. Demonic forces can only be broken by those spiritual weapons that Paul speaks of in 2 Cor. 10:4. Namely the word of God and prayer.

We have been praying for the nations in a 31 night watch through Dec. N. Korea is at the top of our list. If you live in the U S please join us. The call is 8pm central time. The number is 559.726.1300. Acces code is 340296#.

From what I read there is a vibrant church in N. Korea that is tenaciously clinging to Christ. We pray for their light to shine in that dark place. But the amazing thing is the N. Koreans are praying that American believers will wake up to the reality of persecution in our nation.

Blaine Scogin
Persecution Watch

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DEADn Jan 3, 2014

I found this link on my Facebook Page posted by Mission Network News. It gives detail to the execution of Kim Jung Un's uncle but it also gives possible incite as to why he and some other people were executed beyond the standard accusations. The first paragraph gives the disturbing account. I will post the story but if You want to read the execution account you can go to the link.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224

The horrifying report vividly depicted the brutality of the young North Korean leader. The fact that it appeared in a Beijing- controlled newspaper showed that China no longer cares about its relations with the Kim regime.

Two days later, the Global Times, associated with the People's Daily, a Chinese Communist Party organ, followed up with a sternly worded editorial saying that the abrupt political change epitomised the backwardness of the North Korean political system. It warned the Chinese government not to coddle North Korea any longer, saying that the majority of Chinese were extremely disgusted with the Kim regime.

The incendiary story, plus the stern editorial, provided a measure of the extent of Beijing's loathing, which is quite understandable.

In purging a top official known for his close ties with Beijing in such a brutal manner, Pyongyang did not hide its antagonism towards China.

The official litany of Jang's treason implicated China three times. Jang was accused of underselling coal and other natural resources for which China was virtually the sole customer. He was also charged with "selling off the land of Rason economic and trade zone to a foreign country for a period of five decades under the pretext of paying debts". Finally, he was accused of selling precious metals, thus disrupting the country's financial stability. In fact, China purchased some of North Korea's gold reserves several months ago.

He was also accused of aiding Chinese businessmen in securing low prices for North Korean goods and commodities.

The purge of Jang reflected the longstanding suspicion and apprehension of the North Korean regime towards China, which dates back to the time of Kim Il Sung, North Korea's founder.

Although China fought the Korean War to preserve the Kim regime, he was less than grateful. Once the war was over, Kim started purging the Yan-an faction within his party. This faction received its training in Yan-an, the capital of the Chinese Communist Party in the 1940s.

Stanford University research fellow David Straub recalled that when he accompanied former United States assistant secretary of state James Kelly to North Korea in 2002, the North's then Vice-Foreign Minister Kang Sok Ju made comments that minimised Chinese assistance during the Korean War.

When the son, Kim Jong Il, took over the helm, he did not hide the fact that his nuclear weapons could be used against China.

Dr Xue Litai, a research fellow at Stanford University's Centre for International Security and Cooperation at the time, disclosed that he received further confirmation from an American source who accompanied former US president Bill Clinton in his visit to Pyongyang in 2009. According to the source, a North Korean senior official told Mr Clinton that their nuclear weapons could not reach the US but could be "pointed West" in the direction of the Chinese mainland.

The North Korean official also reportedly suggested that if the US changed its policy towards Pyongyang, the latter could become a strong bastion against China.

The Korean peninsula was a vassal state of China in the 17th century. A deep-rooted suspicion remains among the North Korean leadership that China wants to make North Korea its satellite state. Pyongyang also resents Beijing establishing ties with Seoul, which it sees as an act of betrayal.

Nuclear-armed China is seen as having double standards when it exerts pressure on Pyongyang to halt the latter's nuclear programme.

So when the grandson, Mr Kim Jong Un, took over the helm, this family tradition of suspecting China prompted the young leader to take drastic action to cleanse the party of any pro-China elements.

Recent developments have posed a number of issues for China.

First, China's own security is at risk. The erratic and ruthless behaviour of Mr Kim Jong Un suggests that China should not underrate the likelihood of a nuclear threat from Pyongyang.

The Internet version of the Global Times carried an article last Monday by Lieutenant-General Wang Hongguang, former deputy commander of Nanjing Greater Military Region, saying that the recent incident showed North Korea had become increasingly provocative and was getting out of (Chinese) control. He urged a complete reassessment of security threats originating from that direction.

Second, China's political and strategic influence on the Korean peninsula has been drastically reduced. China was widely considered to be able to rein in the unruly Kim regime, thus acting as a force for peace in the region. But it now appears China's influence over its neighbour is close to zero.

This is clear from the fact that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi telephoned his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov for urgent consultation on Dec 13. This was followed by Ambassador Wu Dawei's trip to Moscow. Both moves suggest that Beijing realises it can no longer tame the Kim regime by itself.

Third, China had hoped to nurture a less belligerent neighbour by encouraging reform, open- door policies and economic development in North Korea. Jang had been working closely with China to bring about a Chinese-style transformation in his own country. With Jang brutally executed, the idea of a peaceful transformation seems unrealistic.

sermonindex Jan 3, 2014

When the "wall falls in North Korea", will we be ready for their ministry to us?

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DEADn Jan 3, 2014

I am curious to know what kind of supernatural events are happening there. Gotta be something going on if there are still Christians there alive under this repressive state. Would be interesting to put up those experiences up against science.

sermonindex Jan 3, 2014

Science requires intellect and logic and miracles require faith. But the Christian sees (with eyes of faith), miracles in science.

Interesting concept DEADn, because it never occurred to me to stack miracles next to science since miracles cannot be explained by science, only the eyes of faith.

Anyway, I believe those in the North Korea church have much they could teach and minister to us. They are the ones that resisted unto blood. I have not. They have endured cruel beatings and scourgings and I have no experience with that. They have endured and stayed faithful against all odds. My guess is that they have much they could minister to us about and I don't know what I could give them. It's like someone coming back from Afghanistan after his 5th tour of duty and then I try to tell him how to fight and endure. I think the greatest miracle is that they endured and kept the faith.

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