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The Rapture (caught up) which is first the resurrection or the rapture?

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budgie Jan 16, 2014

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There is so much confusion today and so much disharmony in the body of Christ the very foundation of the Doctrine of Christ has even fallen apart, how can we go on to perfection in Christ?

Look at what Hebrews states

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Did you see that?? the doctrine of the Resurrection of the dead was a principle thing that in Pauls day could be laid down as a foundation, it was clear and true.

Let us now look at verse 16 and 17 again

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Have you noticed what came first? The dead in Christ shall rise first, FIRST OF ALL COMES THE RESURRECTION then we that are alive and remain shall (be caught up) together with them in the clouds.

So why all the focus on the RAPTURE, why not focus on the Resurrection?? Jesus spoke on the Resurrection, Daniel spoke on the Resurrection, Paul spoke on the Resurrection, John spoke on the Resurrection, Jesus said that there is a Resurrection of the Just and a Resurrection of the unjust, so did Paul.
Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
I know which Resurrection I want to be in, The Better Resurrection of the two is the Resurrection of the Just, what is this resurrection? It is the First Resurrection
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Jesus was the first to be raised in the immortal body and when he comes again all of those in Christ will be raised
1Co_15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co_15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Jesus was the FIRSTFRUITS, not Jesus and others, it clearly states Jesus as the FIRSTFRUITS and AFTERWARDS they that are Christs at His coming.
PRAISE God let us look forward to laying the foundation that is true and go on to perfection, The Blessed Hope we have is that when Jesus returns the second time with all of His angels and the Trumpet Blast of God we will be Raised from the dead and those alive will be raptured up with those that have been raised from the dead.All in the twinkling of an eye.
The Rapture is the means by which those Resurrected and those that are alive are caught up, into the clouds to be with Jesus.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world from creation until the end of time.
This is what Jesus said to His believers
Joh_6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh_6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
This last day is the last day, there is no day after this day, it is the last day, the last day of being in this immortal body, the last day of sin reigning, the last day of death for the believers, the last day of sin reigning in our flesh, the last day before Christ begins His Eternal reign, the last day before Christ pours out His wrath in the winepress of the lamb of God.
Jesus thank you for deliverance and thank you for eternal life, thank you for your word is life to our souls, YOU are Truth and the only way.
The rapture word (caught up ) is no special word and is used in many places in scripture and is not a word that is only used in connection with the Resurrection
As follows
G726
ἁρπάζω
harpazō
har-pad'-zo
From a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
It is used in the following verses as well as many others
Joh_10:12 ButG1161 he that is an hireling,G3411 andG2532 notG3756 the(G5607) shepherd,G4166 whoseG3739 ownG2398 theG3588 sheepG4263 areG1526 not,G3756 seethG2334 theG3588 wolfG3074 coming,G2064 andG2532 leavethG863 theG3588 sheep,G4263 andG2532 fleeth:G5343 andG2532 theG3588 wolfG3074 catchethG726 them,G846 andG2532 scatterethG4650 theG3588 sheep.G4263
Joh_10:28 And IG2504 giveG1325 unto themG846 eternalG166 life;G2222 andG2532 they shall neverG3364 G1519 G165 perish,G622 neitherG2532 G3756 shall anyG5100 man pluckG726 themG846 out ofG1537 myG3450 hand.G5495
Joh_10:29 MyG3450 Father,G3962 whichG3739 gaveG1325 them me,G3427 isG2076 greaterG3187 than all;G3956 andG2532 noG3762 man is ableG1410 to pluckG726 them out ofG1537 myG3450 Father'sG3962 hand.G5495
Act_8:39 AndG1161 whenG3753 they were come upG305 out ofG1537 theG3588 water,G5204 the SpiritG4151 of the LordG2962 caught awayG726 Philip,G5376 thatG2532 theG3588 eunuchG2135(G3756) sawG1492 himG846 no more:G3765 and(G1063) he wentG4198 on hisG848 wayG3598 rejoicing.G5463
Act_23:10 AndG1161 when there aroseG1096 a greatG4183 dissension,G4714 theG3588 chief captain,G5506 fearingG2125 lestG3361 PaulG3972 should have been pulled in piecesG1288 ofG5259 them,G846 commandedG2753 theG3588 soldiersG4753 to go down,G2597 and to take him by forceG726 G846 fromG1537 amongG3319 them,G848 andG5037 to bringG71 him intoG1519 theG3588 castle.G3925
2Co_12:2 I knewG1492 a manG444 inG1722 ChristG5547 aboveG4253 fourteenG1180 yearsG2094 ago, (whetherG1535 inG1722 the body,G4983 I cannot tell;G1492 G3756 or whetherG1535 outG1622 of theG3588 body,G4983 I cannot tell:G1492 G3756 GodG2316 knoweth;)G1492 such an oneG5108 caught upG726 toG2193 the thirdG5154 heaven.G3772
2Co_12:4 How thatG3754 he was caught upG726 intoG1519 paradise,G3857 andG2532 heardG191 unspeakableG731 words,G4487 whichG3739 it is not lawfulG1832 G3756 for a manG444 to utter.G2980
1Th_4:17 ThenG1899 weG2249 which are aliveG2198 and remainG4035 shall be caught upG726 togetherG260 withG4862 themG846 inG1722 the clouds,G3507 to meetG1519 G529 theG3588 LordG2962 inG1519 the air:G109 andG2532 soG3779 shall we everG3842 beG2071 withG4862 the Lord.G2962
Jud_1:23 AndG1161 othersG3739 saveG4982 withG1722 fear,G5401 pullingG726 them out ofG1537 theG3588 fire;G4442 hatingG3404 evenG2532 theG3588 garmentG5509 spottedG4696 byG575 theG3588 flesh.G4561
What makes this word so special is what the subject is and in Thessalonians it is special because after the Resurrection takes place and the changing of our bodies which happens in the twinkling of an eye we are then (caught up) to meet Jesus in the clouds.
It is Gods force that draws us to himself, not ours.
So the Rapture is the means by which we are gathered to Jesus to meet Him in the clouds after the Resurrection and changing of our bodies. The Resurrection is the greatest mystery and miracle that will happen at His Coming and then we will be gathered to Him.
Praise God.

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psalm1 Mar 17, 2014

Both the rapture and the resurrection are a "vehicle" for the gathering of the bride,by the groom.

This tiny omission could be comparable to the Jews not knowing why Jesus came.I can't believe i overlooked it for so many years.This glimpse into heaven changes the whole picture.
The Gt marks the time of the gentiles fulfilled,and the focus shifts to his chosen ,covenant people,the Jews.
This is why power is given to the Ac to martyr all those that remain on the face of the earth.There is no brave,overcoming,surviving,hyper dynamic Christians alive at the end of the GT.Even the 144k are martyred.

Read it "They overcame by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony AND THEY LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH"

See that? They testified,they died.
Overcomer in the GT is a dead martyer.

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budgie Mar 17, 2014

Thanks for your reply PSALM1

As you can see by the beginning of this thread that the Resurrection of the dead and also the changing of the bodies of those still living take place prior to the Catching up.

There can be no catching up until the Resurrection takes place, so first comes the Resurrection then the catching.

Scripture declares that Jesus was the First born from the Dead and that afterwards at His Coming the rest will all be raised.
Revelations clearly states that the First Resurrection is the First Resurrection.
There is no other Resurrection of any man in the new immortal body until this First resurrection.

Scripture declares Jesus as the First Born, there has been many resurrections but there is no mention of them being immortal, many were raised from the dead, Lazarus was raised as well as many others, but died again.

Scripture does not say that the Antichrist kills all of the believers on earth and scripture certainly does not state that the 144,000 are killed, they are sealed in a way by God that is amazing, they have a very specific meaningful purpose in Gods plan.

You state that the GT marks the time of the gentiles being fulfilled, however scriptures places the gentiles as trampling the Holy City of Jerusalem during the 3 and 1/2 years.

Jesus himself stated that He will come after the signs after the tribulation.

One must never forget that the whole concept of marriage is a Hebrew/ jewish custom and that Jesus was a Jew fulfilling all Jewish custom and that He is coming back for His bride.
That Bride is made up of two the Gentile believers and the Jewish believers.
The Church is one body, encompassing all who are under the blood of Jesus from the beginning of creation till His return and consumation.

One must never forget the scriptures that so clearly state that when we die our spirits are in Heaven with Him worshipping with Him and when He returns for the day of resurrection He will bring with Him those that have died and they will be reunited with their bodies that will be raised immortal.

The First Resurrection is the First resurrection and that one Glorious Resurrection takes place in the twinkling of an eye

Praise God.

Jesus is our Master and if it was fitting for Him to suffer and die, then who are we as his servants, are we greater than him or are we to love not our lives even to death, as it is written they overcome by the blood of the lamb.

Many today even as we speak are being murdered for their faith in Christ

Murdered every day, innocent people in Christ

They are a Testimony of the Love of Jesus, the Love of God and the faith that He gives is not afraid of death
To die is gain.

Jesus in His 7 letters to the churches in Asia speaks of this overcoming (winning the victory, winning the race)
Paul strived to win the race so that he may be found worthy to be standing in the resurrection when Christ returns for His one spotless bride.

sermonindex Mar 17, 2014

One of Scotland's well-known Gaelic scholars, the Reverend Duncan McDougall did a great job in uncovering where the "Rapture of the Saints", came from. He traces from the beginning with the Jesuits (Lacunza), Irving (the Irvingites), the Tractarian Movement (Cardinal John Newman), the Oxford Movement, Darby and the Brethren. It reads like a detective story and it is quite short, (48 pages), complete with notes. If you want to know where this started and how it developed, who was influenced and passed it on, take some time and read this. I have the book and had not previously found it online.

One excerpt:

"The Jesuits, owing to their vicious principles and their encouragement of treachery and violence making orderly and peaceable government impossible, have been expelled sooner or later from almost every civilized country in which they have set foot; their record covers about a hundred orders issued by different governments for their expulsion. When they were expelled from Chile, Emanual Lacunza (pronounced Lacuntha), a Chilean of Spanish descent, who had become a member of the order in 1747 at the age of sixteen, and had risen to be superintendent of the Noviciates, training them zealously in the principles of Jesuitry, came and settled in the north of Italy, where he devoted the remainder of his days to writing a book entitled, "The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty." Lacunza was of course, steeped in the current Jesuit teaching that the appearance and reign of Antichrist was still in the future and to this he added a touch of his own, namely, - that in order to make room for all the events which he anticipated, at the coming of Christ there would have to be a period of time between the rapture of the saints and the actual appearance of the Messiah in His Glory. He conceived the idea that:

"When the Lord returns from heaven to earth upon His coming forth from heaven, and much before His arrival at the earth, He will give His orders, and send forth His command as King and God omnipotent: 'with a shout (in the Vulgate jussu i.e. 'by the order') with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.' At this voice of the Son of God, those who shall hear it, shall forthwith arise, as saith the evangelist St. John (chapter 5:25) 'those who hear shall live.'" (3)

Here is the germ out of which sprang the whole theory that Christ was to come TWICE, once for His saints, and again some time later with His saints."

http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/RaptureOfTheSaints.pdf

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TMK Mar 17, 2014

True, just-in--

The idea of two raptures (one before the GT and one at Jesus's second coming" is a relatively new teaching. Darby made it real popular.

Dispensationalism has it as a main tenet, along with other "left behind" ideas.

If a person does not following the dispensational view of the end times, with its charts and timelines, it is not necessary to have two raptures.

Psalm1- you might need to do some study to see how strong dispensationalism actually is. I believed it for many years and had all sorts of books and charts until I exposed myself to some different teaching on the end times. I never heard anything other than dispensationalism growing up in the Baptist church I attended.

Partial preterism is not heretical-- RC Sproul is a partial preterist. So is Hank Hanegraff. Dispensationalism did not come into vogue until the mid 1800s or so.

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psalm1 Mar 18, 2014

"Scripture does not say that the Antichrist kills all of the believers on earth and scripture certainly does not state that the 144,000 are killed, they are sealed in a way by God that is amazing, they have a very specific meaningful purpose in Gods plan."
Sorry,
The AC (ACCORDING TO THE WORD) does indeed kill all who refuse the mark.Unless you believe believers are on the earth WITH the mark of the beast on their forehead.

Rev 13 ;7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here we see the 144 k in heaven,obviously raptured or died and risen/raptured
rev 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
15;2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

the 144k are in heaven redeemed FROM the earth.
The billions that no man can count (obviously left behind saints) are also IN HEAVEN (ch7)

This destroys totally the resurrection theory you trying to force fit.

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psalm1 Mar 18, 2014

Why are you searching outside the word?

Who told you to believe the things you ascribe to believers?

Who told you 2 raptures?

Those names you name have zero to do with anything.

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psalm1 Mar 18, 2014

Got any idea what the meaning of the 10 virgin parable is?

(not to disrupt your astute "biblical" findings)

Edit;this sounds smart alec,so .....insert smiley after parenthesis.

This forum,being christian, needs smileys

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psalm1 Mar 18, 2014

Yes,this is why the 2 witnesses mess up the postrib scenario

not to mention the number no man can number in heaven along with the 144k DURING THE GT

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budgie Mar 19, 2014

Hello psalm1

I have replied to your parable of the 10 virgins on another post.

In regards to the Book of Revelation and the Antichrist, the mark of the beast etc and also Matthew and End Times, it is so very important to be aware of the following.

The Bible is mainly middle eastern focused and by that I mean that it began in the garden of Eden out of which flows the rivers in the middle east.

Most of the events take place in the middle east and especially Jerusalem.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, also the bible ends with Christ returning to Jerusalem and later a New Heaven and Earth and a New Jerusalem.

In regards to endtimes events most of the prophecies relate to events and places surrounding Israel.

Daniel speaks very clearly of the 4 kingdoms and especially the kingdom of the Antichrist.

Daniel states that King Nebuchadnezar ruled the whole earth, this is true but he only ruled the earth where his kingdom existed, many other countries were not under his rule.

It will be the same for the Antichrist, He will sit in the temple in Jerusalem and say that he is God.

Jesus even stated that the antichrist will cause the abomination of desolation in Israel

The same with Other kingdoms such as media Persia, alexander the great, and Rome, they only ruled the earth that consisted of their kingdom boundaries.

It is the same with the Antichrist and His Kingdom, it is a kingdom that consists in the middle east as Daniel states.

All 4 kingdoms cover roughly the same area

Most of the prophecies relating to this Antichrist are to be fulfilled in the Middle East, even the Coming of Jesus to destroy the Antichrist.

The rest of the world will go on just as it does today, there is much war in the Middle east today but other countries go on.

As to the mark of the beast etc all of this also happens in the middle east, even the whore city that is destroyed by the antichrist and the 10 kings that rule for a short period.

Not all will receive the mark of the beast just as much as not all Christians world wide are not killed by the antichrist.

It says in Revelations that when Jesus returns He will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

These nations must exist after the antichrist is killed so there must also be people that have not received the mark of the beast, otherwise what nations will Jesus and His saints rule.

The Antichrist/ son of Perdition is clearly described as operating and living in the middle east, he comes from the northern kingdom.

Countries today are effected slightly by middle eastern events but are still ruled by their own leaders.

Please consider the above.

Also who do you say the nations are that Jesus and his saints rule for a 1000 years on earth?

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Lysa Mar 19, 2014

Yes, this is why the 2 witnesses mess up the postrib scenario

not to mention the number no man can number in heaven along with the 144k DURING THE GT

Got any idea what the meaning of the 10 virgin parable is?

(not to disrupt your astute "biblical" findings)


Psalm1, you see the 2 witnesses and the parable of the 10 Virgins from "your” perspective, which you believe to be Biblical! And Budgie sees those same scriptures from his perspective which he believes is also Biblical.

So, who is wrong? Neither one of you is wrong and neither one of you is 100% correct either, because it’s "your” interpretation of the Bible, period. Remember that your interpretation doesn't mean it’s Gospel but you defend "your” position well, as does Budgie.

Jesus doesn't even know when He’s returning!!! So why can’t we all just prepare to be ready because from the looks of things, it’s going that way very fast.

We could die by a car wreck, heart attack or by the sword... Jesus calls us to endure unto the end, whatever that end may be.

God bless,
Lisa

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psalm1 Mar 19, 2014

"Remember that your interpretation doesn't mean it’s Gospel but you defend "your” position well, as does Budgie. "

Uh,not sure what you are getting at?

Is not everyone here giving their opinion?

I gladly welcome ANY challenge,to anything I post.

This is why my posts are from the word.Jesus is never wrong,so there is immunity from deception.Not from "my perspective" but from the entire counsel of God (his complete book not pieces I may bring forward)
Most of my posts are the "left out" portions that I am bringing forward.

Maybe you would like to join in and give the interpretation of the 10 virgins?

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psalm1 Mar 19, 2014

"Please consider the above.

Also who do you say the nations are that Jesus and his saints rule for a 1000 years on earth?"

All of your post was general info.
I am aware some native in the jungle will not even know what is going on.This is not a game changer.

The better question is what part of the population is left after maybe a billion are slaughtered by AC,and the plagues,scorpions,fire balls,earthquakes,etc,etc kill MOST of those on the planet.

If Jesus reveals who are left to rule over,then we will see that small little bit,but after the 1000 years are complete,will there be those who are judged and escape the LOF?

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psalm1 Mar 19, 2014

"One of Scotland's well-known Gaelic scholars, the Reverend Duncan McDougall did a great job in uncovering where the "Rapture of the Saints", came from. He traces from the beginning with the Jesuits (Lacunza)"

Under you logic,you can trace all your beliefs to the Jesuits.

They were the first to eat with a fork from a plate while seated at a table

Therefore your doctrine is entirely traceable to the Jesuits.

BTW,postrib and preterists parallel Catholicism.teachings.
I would venture to guess that you have never questioned what was written in the early church writings that the catholics burned.

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Lysa Mar 19, 2014

psalm1 wrote:
"Remember that your interpretation doesn't mean it’s Gospel but you defend "your” position well, as does Budgie. "

Uh,not sure what you are getting at?

Is not everyone here giving their opinion?

I gladly welcome ANY challenge,to anything I post.

Of course you’re not sure what I’m getting at!! LOL Because you think you one of the blessed few with interpreting Christ’s words as 100% right! Right? HA! Just kidding! But remember that Budgie thinks the same as well!! That’s why neither one of you can see each other’s side, even a slither of a portion.

Brother, I do know what I believe but I don’t have to defend it or protect it but I also know that it’s suspect because it is man’s (my) mere opinion of the Scriptures.

And I’m not out to challenge you because I have argued about end times on here for many years but thank God I allowed Him to open my eyes and He has shown me that I still see through a glass darkly and "only know in part” of what the Scriptures are saying (as do you & Budgie).

But anyway, God bless,
Lisa

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psalm1 Mar 20, 2014

I am here because this is a forum.

I look at what is SAID in the word.

That is why I bring out what is SAID in the bible.Not what I make it say.Mat 24 heaven is the operative word.I simply affirm what is there.Some try to fit earth and graves in there that do not exist.I simply demonstrate the red flags.

That is the difference.But why would I say "I do not understand"? Because this is a forum.And for me it has several dimensions.1) fellowship 2) my own little soap box 3) debate 4)defending the truth. and so on and so on.

This subject is hot.It will ALWAYS BE HOT.

I am pouring over the word.It just simply can not be a bad thing.


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psalm1 Mar 20, 2014

BTW how in the world do you make that "quote" feature work.

I have tried everything (imagine that something i do not know :) )

Bless you too sis!

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Lysa Mar 23, 2014

psalm1 wrote:
I am here because this is a forum.

I look at what is SAID in the word.

That is why I bring out what is SAID in the bible...

This subject is hot.It will ALWAYS BE HOT.

I am pouring over the word.It just simply can not be a bad thing..


Psalm1,

This isn’t about the "subject” but anyway you have missed the WHOLE POINT of my posts, brother, if you still think this is about pre vs post trib. I will try one more time...

You look at what is SAID in the word because of YOUR viewpoint, "your” perspective ”“ I’m just pointing this out to you because I can vouch for this because that is exactly what I used to do UNTIL I started reading from another perspective.

Brother, don’t shoot the messenger but you are not 100% right in seeing what the word says and neither is budgie and neither am I. That’s all I’m trying to say, you have to give some leeway to people of other beliefs (beliefs within the Christian system!). But five years from now, I’ll probably still see you and Budgie on here battling it out over pre- versus post- trib!! LOL Well, I’m done so...

God bless you,
Lisa


PS:
If you put the word "quote” inside brackets at the beginning of the quote you want to quote, then you must END the quote with "/quote” inside brackets as well.

Replace { } for brackets [ ]
{quote}psalm1 wrote:

I am here because this is a forum.

I look at what is SAID in the word. {/quote}

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Lysa Mar 23, 2014

posted twice, sorry

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budgie Mar 24, 2014

The Resurrection

It is hard to present this any shorter, especially when there are those that desire scripture, so here goes.
When one does a study on the word Resurrection in the New Testament and looks at every verse where this word is used it becomes very clear that there is a very strong and clear Doctrine on the Resurrection.

This word Resurrection is used every time regarding the Resurrection of immortality.

Jesus spoke very clearly on this Resurrection and that it is a Resurrection of the Just and a Resurrection of the unjust.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Even Martha spoke of this Resurrection and referred to it as happening on the Last Day

Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jesus did not dispute this saying by Martha because Jesus Himself spoke of raising his disciples at the Last Day.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

There were many who did not believe in a Resurrection and Jesus spoke to these as well as Paul.
It is interesting to note that all the times the Resurrection word is used it is used in reference to the Resurrection in an immortal body.
Jesus raised people from the dead as well as the disciples, but they were only raised again in their mortal bodies and would die again.

Jesus is the only one to be recorded in the New Testament as being raised in this Resurrection body and the disciples only ever speak of witnessing Jesus as being raised in this Resurrection body.

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

We as believers have a Hope in this Resurrection
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

All shall be made alive in Christ when He comes on that Last Day and raises His people in their Resurrection Body
There was a false teaching in the Church that the Resurrection had already come and this false teaching was damaging the Church as we see below.

2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

As you can see this Resurrection is a future event.
Paul included himself in this Resurrection of the dead and so dearly wanted to attain himself in that Resurrection
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Php 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Paul so clearly states that Jesus was the First to be raised from the dead in this Resurrection body and also confirms that it was Jesus and Jesus only that has been raised in this Resurrection body.
There is not any scripture where anyone confirms seeing or witnessing another human being raised in the Immortal resurrection body.

Many raised from the dead but none as being raised in the immortal resurrection body.
It says that when Jesus comes He will raise us in this Resurrection Body, all in the blood of Christ will be raised at His Coming.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Praise God His word is true

Jesus is Coming and He will Raise us at the Last Day in the Immortal Resurrection Body and we will be like Him and will be with Him forever more, to Rule and Reign with Christ.
Paul says that we will be caught up on this Day of Resurrection, this is so very True, on the Day of Resurrection, on the Last Day when Jesus comes, we will be caught up to the clouds to meet Jesus with the dead in their new Resurrection Body.

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