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Living as Jesus Lived - Listening to God's Voice

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ArthurRosh Jan 16, 2014

"Two years ago a profound dissatisfaction led me to begin trying to line up my actions with the will of God about every fifteen minutes or every half hour. Other people to whom I confessed this intention said it was impossible. I judge from what I have heard that few people are really trying even that. But this year I have started out trying to live all my waking moments in conscious listening to the inner voice, asking without ceasing, "What, Father, do you desire said? What, Father, do you desire done this minute?” It is clear that this is exactly what Jesus was doing all day every day. But it is not what His followers have been doing in very large numbers."

- Frank Laubach (1884 ”“ 1970), missionary to the Moros (Phillipines)

http://www.dunedin.elim.org.nz/uploads/1/2/7/8/12786940/frank_laubach_-_letters_by_a_modern_mystic.pdf

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DEADn Jan 16, 2014

I am reading through this. The word 'Mystic' makes me frown a bit. Usually this type of word would be found in New Age circles so why is it used for a Christian who has a spiritual experience? It seems to denote that the average Christian doesn't have a spiritual experience or 'thinks' they are hearing from God while reading the bible.

btw, ArthurRosh, have you read the entire thing? If so what are your thoughts?

This intrigues me for the communion standpoint with God but also because my wife is Filipino and although she is from Manila this takes place in the South though it is a very different environment in terms of religion.

sermonindex Jan 16, 2014

Any Christian who has entered into union with Christ, is a "mystic". The word is not a problem in my book. Let's not give it a bad rap.

1828 Noah Webster Dictionary
MYS'TICS, n. A religious sect who profess to have direct intercourse with the Spirit of God.

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Jeremy221 Jan 16, 2014

This is the missionary Paul Washer mentions whose desire was to have every waking moment set on Jesus Christ. Am I right?

EDIT: Here are some quotes from the linked file. There is a significant change in his understanding of God. I would suggest reading through and honestly listening for the confirmation of what God has taught you and humility to ask questions for things you haven't known or feel are missing.

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Someone may be saying that this introspection and this struggle to achieve
God-consciousness is abnormal and perilous. I am going to take the risks, for somebody ought to do it, in this day when psychological experimentation has given a fresh approach to our spiritual problems. If our religious premises are correct at all then this oneness with God is the most normal condition one can have. It is what made Christ, Christ. It is what St. Augustine meant when he said "Thou hast made us for Thyself, and our souls are restless until they find their rest in Thee."

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May 14, 1930 ”“ It is working
Oh, this thing of keeping in constant touch with God, of making him the object of my thought and the companion of my conversations, is the most amazing thing I ever ran across. It is working. I cannot do it even half of a day - not yet, but I believe I shall be doing it some day for the entire day. It is a matter of acquiring a new habit of thought. Now I like God's presence so much that when for a half hour or so he slips out of mind - as he does many times a day - I feel as though I had deserted him, and as though I had lost something very precious in my life.

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Do you suppose that through all eternity the price we will need to pay for keeping God will be that we must endlessly be giving him away?

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Are you building sacred palaces for yourself? I meant to write "places” to
be sure, but I think I shall leave the word "palaces” for that is what any house becomes when it is sacred. The most important discovery of my whole life is that one can take a little rough cabin and transform it into a palace just by flooding it with thoughts of God. When one has spent many months in a little house like this in daily thoughts about God, the very entering of the house, the very sight of it as one approaches, starts associ- ations which set the heart tingling and the mind flowing. I have come to the point where I must have my house, in order to write the best letters or think the richest thoughts.

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For a lonesome man there is something infinitely homey and comforting in feeling God so close, so everywhere! Nowhere one turns is away from friendship, for God is smiling there.

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Last year, as you know, I decided to try to keep God in mind all the time. That was rather easy for a lonesome man in a strange land. It has always been easier for the shepherds, and the monks, and anchorites than for people surrounded by crowds.
But today it is an altogether different thing. I am no longer lonesome. The hours of the day from dawn to bedtime are spent in the presence of others. Either this new situation will crowd God out or I must take him into it all. I must learn a continuous silent conversation of heart to heart with God while looking into other eyes and listening to other voices. If I decide to do this it is far more difficult than the thing I was doing before.

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One of the mental characteristics against which I have rebelled most is the frequency of my "blank spells" when I cannot think of anything worth writing, and sometimes cannot remember names. Henceforth I resolve to regard these as God's signal that I am to stop and listen. Sometimes you want to talk to your son, and sometimes you want to hold him tight in silence. God is that way with us, he wants to hold still with us in silence:

http://www.dunedin.elim.org.nz/uploads/1/2/7/8/12786940/frank_laubach_-_letters_by_a_modern_mystic.pdf

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Elibeth Jan 17, 2014

Re: "Last year,.....I desired to try to keep God in mind all the time. "

That is what we do,if we try to ' love God with all our heart,with all our mind,with all our soul,and all our strength.'

And also try to be sober minded at all times,that we do not offend God,by what we do are say.

I am doing a study at the time on godly vs ungodly,and what does that constitute ?

As we all grow up together IN Him,
Lovingly,
elizabeth

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Elibeth Jan 17, 2014

And to:
These scriptures come to mind,...

I am not my own,I have been bought with a price.
I no longer live,but it is Christ that liveth in me.
(Paraphrased)

And am I to set claim on most all of my breaths,thoughts, life and just
give Him a little bit ?

Did Jesus intend for us to live on this earth as he did under His Father,God? listening,hearing,obeying ? A life that is not our own ?

Would that be living under a King,in the Kingdom that is within us
leading / guiding us,...hearing His voice ?

Please,...These are just questions that are coming to mind.

Lovingly,
elizabeth


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ArthurRosh Jan 17, 2014

I only read the first few pages up to the original quote posted so I cannot speak on this article until I read it in full. The idea of continual communion with God is indeed intriguing, is this how Jesus lived? Is this possible for us?

One thing that comes to mind when reading the responses and coming across this idea is the discipline of memorizing Scripture. Could this be the way to stay in constant communion with God, keeping His Word in our mind and letting the Holy Spirit speak to us as we meditate on His Word in our thoughts?

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Jeremy221 Jan 17, 2014

Honestly, the way he describes this is a little troubling because it is couched in the language of a spiritual discipline accomplished by hard work. He mentions several times about disciplining his mind to focus on God. My knowledge of this is that it does not begin this way but based on his comments about God's revelations and the changes I saw in his understanding of God and viewpoint, I believe that there were things he did and prayed in faith that are not mentioned in the text here. And God opened these to him as he wholeheartedly sought communion with Him. He doesn't talk much about failure, battling temptation or spiritual warfare though you will face these when walking in the Spirit. The PDF is just excerpt of a fuller book that must include a lot more.

sermonindex Jan 17, 2014

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the doorway to the deeper life. Just the beginning not an end in itself. Mental exercises every 15 minutes or memorizing scripture as an exercise in itself does not bring union with Christ.

Set your mind on things above...

sermonindex Jan 17, 2014

Brethren I beg to differ. Memorizing scripture if done under the power of the Spirit can bring help bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. Does not the psalmist say in Psalm 1 that the blessed man is one who meditates on the word day and night.

Jesus said His words are spirit and life. There is power in the word of God that can help transform our hearts and minds into His heart and mind. To think upon God apart from His word can lead into dangerous, even demonic manifestations.

I have noticed of late there us a growing resistance to the simple reading and bearing of the word of God in this forum. Normally this tine of year threads would be open to encourage the reading of the word or memorizing of the word. Now to suggest such is discouraged in tbis forum. My question is why?

Bearmaster.

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Elibeth Jan 17, 2014

I want to say,Thank you Arthur and Jeremy for bringing us this reading
material on this man.I would like to read all of his writings,but will need to wait until my net service roll-over.

The title that Arthur has chosen,"Living as Jesus Lived-Listening to His
Voice", Doesn't it really says Truth of it ?

And just-in, Thank you.You said "Any Christian that has entered into union with Christ,is a "Mystic"did not know what Mystic meant,Thank you for that PROFOUND definition...."A religious sect who profess to have direct intercourse with the Spirit of God. "

Isn't that So True ?,..to get to " know" Him.(And to "Know Him", John says,is Eternal Life.) An inter-working of His Spirit,..us with Him,..Him with us.

Heb.4:11, says, " Let us labor,therefore,to enter into His rest," ...like this man is saying,..isn't there peace,rest in the presence of God ?
Hebrew.1,previously said,"the Holy Spirit saith,Today if you will hear My Voice",....Today,and Today and Today,and on and on and on,...continually
Having our ear turned to The Lord.He is wanting the relationship,and to
lead us by His Spirit,and for us not to harden our hearts,and do things
'our way' .

If we be followers of Jesus Christ,...and He was a follower of His Father,
God,..wouldn't we too, be called to this Way.
* His Father,God,was His first and foremost love.
* His life was not a luke-warm way.

I count myself as nothing,but can identify with this man,some many yrs. ago. May I share sometimes?
I believe,this is what He has called us to.He said,the way is hard,He also said,it is a narrow gate. (Entrance)

Lovingly ,
elizabeth

sermonindex Jan 17, 2014

Amen, Elizabeth.

To listen to His voice we must be in union with Him which means we must be joined to His spirit (born-again). Then we abide in Him. These are not strange concepts to the (dare I say) mystic. :-)

Mystic is the world's word for those who commune directly with God. And what an incredible and wonderful thing that is. When people taste of that it becomes an obsession and so it should. So, it is not strange to me that people desire to always be in His presence, wanting their every thought to be on Him and glorifying Him. It does not mean they cannot attend to practical things in life, but I think this is what people believe.

This is the "deeper life", the "higher life" of the Spirit. As you quoted, Elizabeth, "this is the Rest of God". The "Rest of God" is a Person who we commune with.

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DEADn Jan 17, 2014

Why is mystic not used in Christian circles very often?

sermonindex Jan 17, 2014

Its been denigrated like the word "gay" and is not politically correct in some Christian circles. How many people use the word gay, anymore? In Christian circles, it is the same thing. There are words that have been demeaned for various reasons. Probably, those who looked down upon that word are the same people that looked down upon those who believed you could have close communion with God. So, they associated the word "mystic" with reciting mantras, or going into trances (spiritism), etc., or some such nonsense.

In general, communing with a spiritual being (outside your dimension) is "mystical", and those bad connotations have been associated with it so it is anathema in some Christian circles.

Emergent Christianity, Contemplative prayer, New Age Movement use that word so you can see why it has bad connotations.

But, then you have people like Sundar Singh who was referred to as a mystic and people have no problem with that because of the unreproachable and holy life he led and the miracles that were wrought through him, not to mention his incredible courage for the Lord and his holy walk. Likewise, Prem Pradhan (Apostle of Nepal), Madame Guyon, and others who have been regarded as mystics. Some people like Madame Guyon while others have a problem with her. But Christians pick and choose, not unlike other people. Sundar, Prem and Guyon all suffered greatly, exhibited great courage and communed closely with God. If people like the person such as Sundar, they can handle the word mystic associated with them, if they have a problem with the person then they will jab at them because they are associated with being a "mystic". Oooohhhhhh!

Their eyes get real big and they say, "you're into mysticism". So, let's see what the 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary says about that word. (Sorry, I don't trust modern dictionaries).

MYS'TICISM, noun Obscurity of doctrine.

1. The doctrine of the Mystics, who profess a pure, sublime and perfect devotion, wholly disinterested, and maintain that they hold immediate intercourse with the divine Spirit.

Well, there you go.

Do we as Christians maintain and hold immediate intercourse with the divine Spirit? I dare say we do believe that, (although maybe not so much anymore).

There are some who call themselves Christian, who read the Bible and yet walk completely by their own understanding never knowing or experiencing communing with God. Maybe they are the ones that don't like the word "mystic". I don't know. It's a strange thing when words become politically incorrect.

sermonindex Jan 17, 2014

Why is mystic not used in Christian circles very often?

do you know what I believe? If one were a REAL "mystic", which to me means "to be caught in High Places with God", they would tell no flesh.

That's why I grieve when I hear people proclaim, "the mantle of the prophet has been conferred upon me"....OR...."I have a prophetic gifting".

NO PROPHET ever would utter those words.

I say just be real, authentic and who God MADE you to be.

i'm not lecturing you, I tell myself that all the time, because it pleases the Father....witness what Jesus said to Nathanel the first time He met him in John.

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ArthurRosh Jan 18, 2014

Thanks for bringing up the name Sundar Singh, there is much we can learn from him and his writings in what it means to live the life of rest in God. Sundar Singh wrote eight books:

At the Master's Feet
With and Without Christ
The Real Life
The Real Pearl
Reality and Religion
The Search after Reality
Meditations on Various Aspects of the Spiritual Life
Visions of the Spiritual World

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Jeremy221 Jan 18, 2014

I found the summary document promoting this methodology and sociological mumbojumbo is more prevalent. I believe Frank Laubach found a reality he had not known but in communicating it, his background tainted his message. As the Bible as the Word is spirit and not flesh and our spirits are ministered to if we study in faith that will reveal Himself to those who diligently seek Him, likewise, I believe that the Spirit, who divides soul and spirit, will provide the food we need to grow in communion. The letter killeth but the Spirit…

sermonindex Jan 18, 2014

Amen, Jeremy.

Too often, people are marginalized (their message is marginalized) because of other biases. We should try to understand what is being promoted in the message and discern the quality of truth that is in their message.

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