Hi RDG,
"i think that is the difference and i see that more clearly now. when we come to Jesus we do surrender all and everything, and doing so is such much more then just receiving forgiveness its a promise or understanding that from this day forward i am going to be living daily with Him. its not my wants or desires any more its all about Him. From now on Jesus is Lord and i surrender, submit, and obey no matter what that might look like to the world around me or cost me to self"
Amen sister, indeed. It is all about giving your life over, surrendering to a Holy God and the way that He has so graciously laid down, that way is named Jesus and Him being Lord over your life. Now there are many parts of the Protestant world who could claim that Jesus does not have to be Lord of your life, they are simply wrong.
" i was taught that i was a sinner but i can remember also being told that "its ok, cause God knows, He understands that were human, He will forgive us our sins." while that is all true its has never felt right to me, almost as if the attitude it self gives into the idea that its alright to sin because after all God will forgive you, your just a mere human after all."
This teaching can be found in many places and is the essence of hyper grace and also those who would deny the necessity of Jesus being the Lord of your life. The Catholic answer lies in their sacramental system, mere empty symbolism. By a combination of infant baptism, confession, communion and perhaps the last rites, you could get into heaven. It would depend on how you ranked on the sacramental scale, but in most likelihood most Catholics think they will end up in purgatory. Problem with all of that? It's all a lie. It's a lie that started at the very inception of the Catholic church in 313ad. So many of those who at the time were known as catholics wih a small c had denied Jesus during the greatest persecution of all, the Diocletian persecution. They became known as traidors, similar to our modern word of traitor. Traidor meant " to hand over." Diocletian would spare the life of anyone who denied Jesus and handed over their scriptures to be burned publicly. This is what the majority of catholics did, not only handing over scriptures but also handing over people know as " rigorsts," or " donatists." These brothers and sisters were killed.
After the persecution, there was, of course, a split between those who had stood strong through the persecution and those who had denied Jesus and burned the scriptures. The catholics won the day with the support of Constantine who took over after Diocletian apologized to the Christians and hung himself. The catholic theologians then came up with a theology that covered their denials of Jesus and their burning of Scriptures. The Donatists main point were that these people were unholy and unworthy of ministering to the saints. The Catholics said that it did not matter the state of the minister, only the holiness of God mattered as men were imperfect, therefore those who had denied their faith were allowed to be ministers. This was actually a form of Gnosticism. Needles to say it did not end well for the so called Donatists or rigorists. Just a little history :) ...............bro Frank