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Bill Gothard Placed on Administrative Leave

sermonindex Mar 3, 2014

Recovering Grace, by giving voice to the allegations of sexual harassment of dozens of women, and by publishing information from the sex scandal days, has finally pressured the IBLP board to place Gothard on administrative leave while they investigate the claims against him.

"The board of directors of the Institute for Basic Life Principles has placed its longtime leader Bill Gothard, 79, on "administrative leave” while the board investigates claims that he years ago engaged in sexual harassment and other misconduct…”

You can read the rest of the post from World Magazine here.
http://www.worldmag.com/2014/02/bill_gothard_placed_on_administrative_leave

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/02/bill-gothard-placed-on-administrative-leave/#more

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Beige Mar 3, 2014

After reading the material on these web sites I can say I am deeply saddened by this entire chain of events. I believe Bill has been a man that has been used by our Lord to spread wisdom and godly teaching throughout the body of the church. It saddens me more to think of what appears to me to be a group of people out there who are salivating over the possible downfall of this man. Whom among us has not experienced the heart breaking reality of failure and sin? I will be praying for Bill -- to be restored out of this brokenness and to come into a closer walk with Christ. His alleged sins, if they actually occurred at all, were almost 40 years ago. I believe the blood of Jesus is strong enough to wash away Bill's sins as well as my own and make us as white as snow. Lord I ask you to move by your Holy Spirit and restore this man -- Let his work in your kingdom continue.

sermonindex Mar 3, 2014

I strongly encourage anyone who is or was involved in ATI, IBLP or any other of Bill Gothards programs to go to recoveringgrace.org and spend a few hours reading the articles they have published recently. There's no doubt that Gothards teaching did some good but he also did great harm. These are NOT wild accusations. Recoveringgrace.org has carefully, thoroughly and responsibly documented a litany of inappropriate behavior by Bill Gothard that he engaged in for decades. The accusations don't just come from these 34 women but former board members and seminary presidents who attempted to correct problems early on but were unable to make any progress due to Gothards control and manipulation.

sermonindex Mar 3, 2014

I would encourage saints not to go to this website and read these articles. These things have not been proved. It is clear some young people were sent to these programs by their well meaning home-school parents but they were bitter to be put into a strong disciplined environment and speak about it in terms of a cult and robotic program etc.

Bill Gothard is a very godly men and has had tremendous influence on many. I would be very slow to bring accusation to him or promote slander. I grieved the night I read this article and did not want to post it on SI unless it was 100% verified. May we be in prayer for Bill Gothard during this time.

And yes do pray for some individuals that have been hurt by their parents and the teachings of ATI because they were rebellious and had a hard time with the program.


EDIT: Just-in I tried to privately email you but your email bounced so the email you have listed on the website is not working.

sermonindex Mar 3, 2014

I will check the email, Greg. It is registered to me.

This is public domain and verified that the Board of ATI has done this and is deliberating. They need our prayers.

The board has been approached many times in the last few decades about many things regarding Mr. Gothard and finally they are doing something.

Both Mr. Gothard and the Board need our prayers.

None of us want to be an accomplice for a coverup or slander.

So far, I do not see any slander.

We should not slander recoveringgrace either as adult Christians can and should investigate and draw their own conclusions. Recoveringgrace has acted responsibly in all they have done. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Brother, we read articles all the time that have not been proved, however in this case many board members of ATI have complained. This is not just about young girls that have complained, but board members of ATI and this is verified and documented. They have risked their occupation and reputation to come forward and publicly expose what was done in secret.

This is a highly detailed book written by a former board member of ATI. People should always educate themselves.

http://www.amazon.com/Matter-Basic-Principles-Don-Veinot-ebook/dp/B005PR4UKY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393866625&sr=8-1&keywords=bill+gothard

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mama27 Mar 3, 2014

I do not affirm or deny what has been written on the Recovering Grace website. I do sense that many of the comments written there are out of great bitterness. We have been involved with this organization for decades. I would caution everyone to look within themselves and make certain that we are not reading every juicy tidbit in a spirit of slander or gossip. If you were not involved, it is really no concern other than to pray. God desires truth in the innermost parts. I pray that truth is disclosed to that end.

Many young lives have been damaged not so much thru this program or the failings of men like Mr Gothard or Doug Phillips (earlier thread), but through satan's efforts to distort the truth of the Bible thru the humanity of these men. None of us is beyond falling. Please, saints, do not fall into the trap of gossip.....And pray for the young people - that they will be able to discern truth, and not jump off into compromise out of not wanting to be linked with this group or that group. Such things have happened in many a church as well.....a very grievous thing. The enemy will go to any length to derail God's plan. Many of us parents poured our lives into raising godly seed for God's glory...we are not perfect, and neither are our leaders perfect...

I hope my heart comes through in this post. I do not wish to engage in debate.

sermonindex Mar 3, 2014

Greg, I saw your other request but the thread was locked?

I will voluntarily stop posting for now and maybe it will be permanent. I will wait upon the Lord. This is your place and I will respect your wishes. May the Lord give us grace and have mercy on us.

The Lord bless everyone, richly.

1 Thessalonians 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day:we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

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Beige Mar 4, 2014

Just my thoughts on this issue with Bill:

1) I believe this man is a man of God.
2) I believe he is being attacked by the enemy of our souls and the accuser of the brethren, i.e. Satan.
3) I do not believe the Holy Spirit is in these accusations against Mr. Gothard.
4) I believe the worst things that have happened here are misunderstandings and possible power struggles; however, ungodly those things are.
5) I am certain Bill lives a repentant life and since all of us err we should understand that it would disgrace God to dig under the sacrificed blood of our Lord and accuse ourselves or others.
6) One teaching that comes to mind which may bring light upon this issue is Derek Prince's ministry wherein he teaches on "The Enemies We Face."

God bless Bill Gothard and all of his staff -- past, present and future with wisdom, love and forgiveness. Let them all dwell together in unity, one mind, one spirit, in Christ our Lord. And, may God bless and anoint His church afresh!

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ginnyrose Mar 4, 2014

It is a very serious thing when one allows one's affection for a person to ignore reports of evil doing.

It is a serious tragedy when a man acquires much in the way of monies, power and prestige and then he feels he can also have women. It appears when a man has money and prestige he feels invincible. He will act to manipulate people's perception of him. The longer one does this the braver and bolder he gets thinking he will not get caught. This happens all the time - one can see it operating in our own community. (I am a witness of this mindset but know it happens all the time in many places.)

Before these alleged occurrences there were doctrinal issues as well. I noticed it in his writings. I pointed it out to a pastor and he just ignored it, passed it off as irrelvant. The lesson I learned from this episode was that I cannot even trust a pastor to be always alert to abberation in doctrine.

I think these allegations should be taken seriously and investigated. To write them off as the rants of bitter women is ignoring a possible reality. It appears people are more concerned about Bill then they are about the women - I am more concerned about the women then the perpetrator. Why? Because women want to please a man. They look to him as a protector of her, sustainer but when he violates it by going after her body, he has hurt her dreadfully. Bitter? Yes because the basic trust that God has planted within the heart of a woman had been destroyed so who is left to believe and trust? She will look at men totally differently...

If the fellow has a problem it needs to be dealt with. If these women have problems with lying they need to be dealt with (but the sheer numbers are overwhelming - one needs to consider that). Ignoring these reports as being gossip and slander will not help anyone. The charges are too serious.

In the end scripture teaches us that a "And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." 1Timothy 3:7. While this is addressed towards an overseer, it applies to all Christian leaders.

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rainydaygirl Mar 4, 2014

thank you ginnyrose for this post. i was thinking some of these exact same thoughts. how come it is that whenever things like this come out about popular christian leaders everyone runs to want to pray for him and the women are always made out to be the bad guy. i have no idea if these charges are true but to assume that they are all brought about by rebellious women is a disservice to everyone including the man himself. if he has been guilty of this sin then he needs prayer, council, and Jesus to be set free from it. if all these women have lied about him then they too need Jesus, to repent, and we should be praying for them as well.

its never an easy thing for a woman to come forward after she has been abused/victimized in such a way. there is so much shame and guilt one carries with you long after the abuse has stopped.

thank you again for having the courage to post your thoughts,

rdg

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

I do not affirm or deny what has been written on the Recovering Grace website. I do sense that many of the comments written there are out of great bitterness. We have been involved with this organization for decades. I would caution everyone to look within themselves and make certain that we are not reading every juicy tidbit in a spirit of slander or gossip. If you were not involved, it is really no concern other than to pray. God desires truth in the innermost parts. I pray that truth is disclosed to that end.

Many young lives have been damaged not so much thru this program or the failings of men like Mr Gothard or Doug Phillips (earlier thread), but through satan's efforts to distort the truth of the Bible thru the humanity of these men. None of us is beyond falling. Please, saints, do not fall into the trap of gossip.....And pray for the young people - that they will be able to discern truth, and not jump off into compromise out of not wanting to be linked with this group or that group. Such things have happened in many a church as well.....a very grievous thing. The enemy will go to any length to derail God's plan. Many of us parents poured our lives into raising godly seed for God's glory...we are not perfect, and neither are our leaders perfect...mama27

Amen to every word of your post mama27. It is seasoned with wisdom and grace from a mother who has every good reason to comprehend its fuller meaning. Bless you for having the courage and integrity to share your own heart.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

When something is "reported commonly" then the man of God should step up rather than not address widespread public statements from Christians (those beside him in ministry as well as those who receive his ministry). Any accusation, especially a voluminous amount of accusations from within the Church (ministry boards members, team members, young people and parents) should never be ignored. This is not without precedent.

What did Paul do with hearsay that was from more than the mouth of two witnesses?

1Cor 5:1 IT IS REPORTED COMMONLY that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

"It is reported commonly"

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

1Cor 5:1 IT IS REPORTED COMMONLY that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Ὅλως ἀκούεται ἐν ὑμῖν πορνεία, καὶ τοιαύτη πορνεία ἥτις οὐδὲ ἐν τοῖς ἔθνεσιν, ὥστε γυναῖκά τινα τοῦ πατρὸς ἔχειν"

Tischendorf, C. von, Gregory, C. R., & Abbot, E. (Eds.). (1869”“1894). Novum Testamentum graece. (Vol. 2, p. 478). Lipsiae: Giesecke & Devrient.

holos (ὅλως, 3654), from holos, "all, whole,” is translated "actually” in 1 Cor. 5:1, RV ("it is actually reported”); the KJV "commonly” does not convey the meaning. In 6:7 it is translated "altogether” (KJV, "utterly”); in 15:29, "at all,” as in Matt. 5:34. See ALL, ALTOGETHER.¶

Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., & White, W., Jr. (1996). Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words. Nashville, TN: T. Nelson.

It would appear that your rationale is predicated on the idea that if enough people are willing to make an accusation then it must be true. Or at least if not true then it must be seen as true and dealt with as though it were true for the sake of the alleged victims.

I noted your link to this website four weeks ago and followed it up then. I feel sure that you will be pleased to know that I didn't miss it after all. I looked through the site from the first post in 2011 right up to the last post and article. I spent five or six hours going through the site.

I noted that the site was originally set up to challenge Bill Gothard's teachings. The accusations of sexual harassment began to be added after some considerable time. Did you realise that the very worst and most serious accusation by an individual female amounts to Bill allegedly giving her a kiss on the lips as he said goodbye to her. It is all set into context of an abuse of authority. And for obvious legal reasons the actual act which ultimately defines the term abuse is set in the parlance of statutory criminal law. The term used is sexual harassment.

Another accusation has to do with the appropriateness of spending time with females alone and in that context encouraging them to confess their sexual sins. In that context you ought to read much more carefully before you join in the accusations yourself.I have to tell you that the statement of this particular sister is so flawed rationally that it couldn't stand up in a court of law in any country. It is rationally flawed and inconsistent with truthfulness in the proper sense of what truthfulness means. I don't expect you to believe me but as you are so eager to be the man of God in this matter you might want to go back and read her 'testimony' (statement) properly and you may just see what I mean. If not who cares?

There are also other accusation, mostly to do with what could reasonably be called sexual harassment.

One thing is very definite the determination of those who manage this site is to destroy a man, deal a death blow to what they believe are false teachings and to do it in public with no meaningful opportunity for the man himself to reasonably defend himself. You may have no comprehension of what truth is, but some of us have. Telling Bill that he can attend a meeting where he can meet the people he has harmed, including the females who he has abused and manipulated, is to find him guilty by majorative or commonly held reports. It is no wonder that you place so much emphasis on the term 'commonly' from your elected translation of 1 Corinthians 5:1.

Still kissing an 18 year old girl on the lips is a probable hanging offence in some States. He may even have to suffer eternal torment for it. Now that will be worth watching as we bask in the glory of our own righteousness.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

Ahh, someone went into the Greek to nullify the plain words of Scripture.

That is reported to be a common practice, today. It actually is a common practice.

Two witnesses is plenty. 30 is more than enough. I have been following this for 10 years so though it is not a surprise to me, I understand why it is a surprise to others.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014


As part of our community rules we have:

7. SLANDERING OTHERS - We have a zero tolerance on slander, evil-speaking and speaking against a person's character without warrant. 'Slander no one.' / 'to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.' NASB (Titus 3:2). This is a very important biblical principle and we ask that you would especially respect the biblical method of approaching a brother privately (Matthew 18:15). Also there are hundreds of websites in the internet that exclusively post wrong teachings, errors and question the character of Christians, we do not want SermonIndex to be seen as such a ministry and ask that all forum members do not participate in posting in what is wrong. We believe simply that truth dispels errors and to focus on the truth will shine a light into all the darkness.

Please do read more here: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44556&forum=13


Towards Bill Gothard, and news about his falling, I at first was very grieved and reluctant to post the news item. I do not agree with all the teachings of his ministry but did have respect for some things. I have heard recently from one elder brother that these allegations (some of them) could very well possibly be true and there is a seriousness here. I would personally rather post the end result from the ministry and godly men who are weighing this situation. That is the one reason why I was reluctant and still am to a small measure to cast a stone and say that Bill Gothard IS guilty.


we posted this above statement in this thread: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=51725&forum=35


May we look to ourselves more then judging others. Have I watched women in a wrong way? Am I enjoying emotional conversations with women? Do I enjoy looking at pretty women?

May God preserve us from accusing others but ourselves being in transgression. May we pray for brothers who have seemingly failed.

I highly recommend this free booklet: Contentiously Contending: A Word to Today’s Apologetics Emphasis by Anton Bosch
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/392961

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

Greg, would you be clear? Are you accusing recoveringgrace.org of slandering? I have not read where anyone on SI is slandering. To accuse someone of slander is to slander them. Can you identify who you are accusing of slander or are you just warning everyone to be careful?

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Sree Mar 4, 2014

I don't know who this man is, so there is no way I can judge him. Nor am I interested in knowing the truth about these allegations.

But some of the comments here make me worried, it appears that people are biased to a person because of the success of ministry. Saying that these are sins covered by blood of Jesus, only shows the lack of seriousness to sin. Such terrible sexual misconduct are not performed overnight due to sudden temptation, it should be a result of long standing entertainment of sexual sin, unwilling to repent. Secondly this is not an ordinary church brother, he is involved in a ministry run by public money. A person with such serious sin whether repented or not cannot continue in a ministry. It is serious thing to lead a ministry in God's name.

The reason I am stressing on this is there is a danger of us believing in wolf in sheepskin if we are blinded by fruit of a ministry rather than seeing the fruits in personal life.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

Sree,

The issue was reported by a Christian magazine used widely by homeschoolers and Christians in general. It is a magazine about Christian worldview and world events which included events within Christendom.

The conversations here are not about him, as they have turned to what the Church should do in these situations according to the Scriptures. The ATI board is handling the matter and everyone should wait for their response.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

Ahh, someone went into the Greek to nullify the plain words of Scripture. just-in

The plain words of scripture are written in Greek in this instance of 1 Corinthians chapter five!

Can I just say that I have no knowledge of Bill or his ministry or his teachings or his anything. It wouldn't matter to me what he had done for the Lord as far as using my mind is concerned to understand the truthfulness of something. The only reason I looked into this issue is because you made it so with your signature link to the web site which is condemning him. When I started to read those statements or testimonies of alleged abuse and compared that with the actual narrative of the website I found an alarming disparity. I kept it to myself then and have only commented now because once again you have raised the issue. You have encouraged people to go to this site and you have self evidently done so because you believe both the narrative and the testimony is true.

Now you are saying that all of this has somehow an official stamp of concern. So you say wait and see. There has been no waiting and seeing by anyone. The site condemned Bill online in public without reservation months ago. I made a copy of the site in its previous state to record the facts as they were. The new sight is a more sophisticated version in which the details are becoming more and more carefully worded as things gather momentum. Either way it is all going to come to a head very quickly and I rather doubt that Mr Gothard will be spared as the crowd is already baying for his neck. It is only a simple matter of translating things into a form of words which informs statutory responsibility in the issue of duty of care and employment, and any authority, other than criminal, will be obliged to press for his removal or else the ministry itself will collapse under the weigh of a risk of future prosecution should anyone else come forwards with a more serious charge that clearly falls into the frame of reference of genuine abuse of a minor.

This is not truth and it is not true justice. Whatever it is, it will not matter to anyone who cannot see beyond the end of their noses.

sermonindex Mar 4, 2014

I don't agree at all with how you are characterizing the content or the Believers on the website. I will not get into a tit for tat with you. There are many, many websites that speak of such evidence. I will not list them, but they are many more than what exists for Doug Phillips (Vision Forum) and the content is not new. It goes back many years. It is a well-known tactic to twist the words of the defendants and this situation is no different. That is all I will say.

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