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Unreal sales for Driscoll’s Real Marriage

sermonindex Mar 6, 2014


Seattle’s Mars Hill Church paid a California-based marketing company at least $210,000 in 2011 and 2012 to ensure that Real Marriage, a book written by Mark Driscoll, the church’s founding pastor, and his wife Grace, made the New York Times best-seller list.

According to a document obtained by WORLD, Result Source Inc. (RSI) contracted with Mars Hill "to conduct a bestseller campaign for your book, Real Marriage on the week of January 2, 2012. The bestseller campaign is intended to place Real Marriage on The New York Times bestseller list for the Advice How-To list.”
The marketing company also promised to help place Real Marriage on the Wall Street Journal Business, USA Today Money, BN.com (Barnes & Noble), and Amazon.com best-seller lists. ...

read more: http://www.worldmag.com/2014/03/unreal_sales_for_driscoll_s_real_marriage

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Lysa Mar 6, 2014


Pitiful, just pitiful.

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richrock Mar 6, 2014

The issue here that makes this especially sad is that the secular news sources are carrying it (LA TImes for one), and along with this the potential for massive damage to Christianity. That the world, or at least some people may be justified in their opinions that Christianity simply can't be trusted. Others may yet be turned away from the faith because of events like this.

sermonindex Mar 6, 2014


You cannot imagine Tozer, Ravenhill or others doing this. There are a few practical steps to help promote a book or simply make it known but what we read about goes beyond it all.

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Oracio Mar 6, 2014

Sadly, I can't say I'm too surprised. This is to be expected from emergent preachers like Driscoll.

sermonindex Mar 7, 2014

It hasn't caused me any damage. It may indeed cause "massive damage" to Christendom, but it won't hurt the eternal church.

"...and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."


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tbsounde2 Mar 7, 2014

Man...talk about pragmatic christianity and the end justifying the means...and it was supposedly done to help advance the gospel...I hope Mark will come to his senses and realize the mistake he made and come back to the old quiet path of simply being faithful to the Lord in the "little" things and leaving up the results to Him...

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rookie Mar 7, 2014

Is this not an example of conspiracy within the church?

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amranger Mar 7, 2014

I would like to know why this post is allowed and the Bill Gothard thread was shut down? On that thread people were reminded not to "slander" and to pray for the brother. On this thread people are just shaking their head and saying it was to be expected, it's "pitiful" etc. Where is the encouragement to not slander and pray for Driscoll?

It seems to me that there is a double standard here? There is other preachers that are mocked and ridiculed frequently here (or their teachings are alluded to) on SI and nothing is said. But when someone brings up a featured speaker on SI they're usually shut down.


-Andrew

sermonindex Mar 7, 2014

I would like to know why this post is allowed and the Bill Gothard thread was shut down? On that thread people were reminded not to "slander" and to pray for the brother. On this thread people are just shaking their head and saying it was to be expected, it's "pitiful" etc. Where is the encouragement to not slander and pray for Driscoll?

It seems to me that there is a double standard here? There is other preachers that are mocked and ridiculed frequently here (or their teachings are alluded to) on SI and nothing is said. But when someone brings up a featured speaker on SI they're usually shut down. arranger

I suppose one singular difference may be because Mr Driscoll's own office have acknowledged their own actions fully. You cannot be slandered if you have acknowledged something oneself.

church spokesman Justin Dean responded via email, saying, "Mars Hill has made marketing investments for book releases and sermon series, along with album releases, events, and church plants, much like many other churches, authors, and publishers who want to reach a large audience. We will explore any opportunity that helps us to get that message out, while striving to remain above reproach in the process. Whether we’re talking about technology, music, marketing, or whatever, we want to tell lots of people about Jesus by every means available. That’s what we’re all about and have been since 1996.”

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SHMILY Mar 8, 2014

Is not this more about Satan driving a bigger wedge between those who have the truth ~ true believers ~ and those who need the truth? And he used a "church" to do it. =( How different this is from The Way in the book of Acts.

This is the link to the article on one of the local news channels. There were 69 comment a bit ago. They are so heart breaking.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/210k-in-church-funds-reportedly-used-to-put-pastors-book-on-bestseller-list-249078501.html

sermonindex Mar 8, 2014


I would add to this thread that there is a temptation for any brethren in public ministry to rely on these things in some measure. I have fallen in this area to rely at times on the arm of the flesh or something that could help from a worldly perspective. Each time I have done so the Lord has met with me quickly to show me the futility and even damage this causes to get materials out.

I am thankful the Lord is keeping SI on the narrow way where God Himself is able to promote His resource to the nations for His glory.

May God keep all His servants from relying on Egypt.

Isaiah 31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the Lord!

2 Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.

3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the Lord shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.

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InLove Mar 9, 2014

I'm not saying I support this or not, but a quick question. Is investment a sin? I have read that book and it wasn't the best spiritual book, but had truth in it none the less.

The point being is it wrong to invest money to gain more? I see a lot of shaking heads, but I would be careful here brethren. It's easy to see wrong, but could there be some right?

Just my two sense. I want to be quick to see good and recognize evil where it is, but i'm not so sure we can condemn this so fast.

In Love,
Joe

sermonindex Mar 9, 2014


I do agree brother there are some right ways to make small investments for godly materials. Every single christian book publisher takes even some small step to get the word out about their materials.

What I feel others have had ought against is to invest money purely to get a "status" of new york times best seller and therefore have it "seem" like it is a mainstream book.

The best materials are spread by word of mouth. There is a big difference between book being a best-seller because of its success because of content and a book being a best-seller because money namely $200,000 and a church group of thousands was thrown behind it.

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