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Debate on Nonresistance versus Just War Theory

sermonindex Mar 24, 2014


On Friday, March 28, 2014, David Bercot and Dean Taylor will be participating in a debate/panel discussion on the topic of "Should Christians Participate in War?” The event will be held between 7:00 ”“ 9:00 p.m. at historic Faneuil Hall in downtown Boston. David Bercot and Dean Taylor will be presenting the case for nonresistance. Representing the Just War position will be Peter Kreeft and J. Daryl Charles. Drs. Kreeft and Charles are both university professors who have written numerous books on theology and Christian ethics.

If you would like to listen to the debate/panel live, you can call in on the conference line.
The primary call-in number is: +1 (646) 307-1717
Access Code When Prompted: 189-747-580

If the primary call-in phone line is filled, please try to dial in the overflow call-in number:
Overflow Call-in Number: +1 (712) 432-0070
Access Code When Prompted: 9991#

The debate is being sponsored by Followers of the Way, a Kingdom church in Boston. The moderator of the debate/panel discussion will be Finny Kuravilla. Here is the announcement from the Followers of the Way website:

Upcoming event -- Debate on "Should Christians Fight?” Friday, March 28, 2014 (7-9 pm)

On Friday, March 28, we are sponsoring a debate on the question, "Should Christians Fight?" in historic Faneuil Hall in downtown Boston. There is no charge for admission. However you are encouraged to arrive 15 minutes early in case seating reaches capacity; there will be no overflow room.

Speaking in favor of Christians engaging in just war will be:

Peter Kreeft (Ph.D. Fordham University) is professor of philosophy at Boston College. He is the author of over 67 books on philosophy, theology and Christian apologetics. A gifted thinker and speaker, he speaks at universities and churches all over the world. He draws inspiration from influential figures such as Socrates, Thomas Aquinas, and C. S. Lewis. His books include Making Sense Out of Suffering (Servant Books, 1986), Socrates Meets Jesus (InterVarsity Press, 1987), and a Handbook of Christian Apologetics (InterVarsity Press, 1994).
J. Daryl Charles (Ph.D., Westminster Theological Seminary) teaches in the Honors Program at Berry. He has written 14 books on ethics, Christian engagement in the public square, and just war. He is widely regarded as a leading authority on the Christian just war tradition. His books include Between Pacifism and Jihad (InterVarsity Press Academic, 2005), War, Peace, and Christianity (Crossway, 2010), and The Just War Tradition (Intercollegiate Studies, 2012), and America's Wars (forthcoming).

Speaking against Christians in war will be:

David Bercot is an attorney (J.D., Baylor University), author, and speaker. He has numerous books on the subject of the early church, where he emphasizes the simplicity of biblical doctrine and early (pre-325 AD) Christian teaching over what he would call the complex and compromised body of theological understandings built up over the centuries that have come to be thought of as orthodoxy. His most well known books are Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up? (Scroll Publishing, 1989), and A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs (Hendrickson, 1998).
Dean Taylor and his wife Tania were both in the U. S. Army when they realized that, as committed Christians, they had to come to grip with Jesus' teachings in the Sermon on the Mount on loving one's enemies. They ultimately left the Army in a new and sincere quest for truth, determined to follow Jesus Christ under the banner "no compromise.” Mr. Taylor is a widely sought speaker who regularly addresses the question, "What if Jesus really meant every word He said?” His best known book is A Change of Allegiance (Radical Reformation, 2008).

Faneuil Hall is a very short walk from the State Street or Government Center subway stops (blue line and green line, respectively). For more information, please write to:
info@followers-of-the-way.org

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014


If you would like to listen to the debate/panel live, you can call in on the conference line.
The primary call-in number is: (646) 307-1717
Access Code When Prompted: 189-747-580

If the primary call-in phone line is filled, please try to dial in the overflow call-in number:
Overflow Call-in Number: (712) 432-0070
Access Code When Prompted: 9991#

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proudpapa Mar 28, 2014

Thank you for posting this, I am very interested in listening to this.

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

I thought the only war a Christian was called to was a spiritual war.

A Christian just war? That sounds like an oxymoron.

Ah but whart do I know?

Blaine

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

Bearmaster,

"Just" must be short for "justified" as in self-justified.

What part of "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places", do we not understand?

Or

"(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)"

"Just war", comes from the RCC via Augustine.

No surprise that Kreeft is defending Just War. The RCC has murdered millions under the cloak of Just War.

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mama27 Mar 28, 2014

Is this EST or CST?

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

No surprise that Kreeft is defending Just War. The RCC has murdered millions under the cloak of Just War.

Peter Kreeft is a highly respected wolf in sheep's clothing.

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MaryJane Mar 28, 2014

Greetings

I just wonder who gets to decide what "war" is justified and what ones are not? If you take up arms and go to war with another country are you really following GOD or just following after men?

God bless
mj

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

The Pope, of course, decides. Didn't you know he is the Vicar of Christ on earth? Thilly wabbit.

:-)

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proudpapa Mar 28, 2014

RE: ///No surprise that Kreeft is defending Just War. The RCC has murdered millions under the cloak of Just War///

I had never heard of Kreeft, good point, Kreeft is a Calvinist whom has converted to Catholicism.

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

Is this EST or CST?

I am almost certain it is EST. Let us pray for Dean Taylor and David Bercot that the Lord will give them great wisdom to answer from Scriptures that the little flock of God does not fight rather prays and follows their Lord.

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

Hmm. How can ask this tactfully? Who persecuted the Anabaptist? The Catholics or the Calvinists? For that matter. Who cane up with just war and faught such? The Catholics or the Calvinists?

Blaine

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proudpapa Mar 28, 2014

Hi Blain

RE : ///Who cane up with just war and faught such? The Catholics or the Calvinists?///

Catholic Augustine whom they both hold in high esteem

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

Who needs a debate on this? We can figure it out right here on SI. We have the "mind of Christ". He is the One that really explains it all to us.

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proudpapa Mar 28, 2014

Hi just-in

just-in wrote : ///Who needs a debate on this? We can figure it out right here on SI. We have the "mind of Christ". He is the One that really explains it all to us.///

This as is with many issues is not as cut and dry as those on both sides of the issue would have us to believe.

I would have preferred the debate to have been between Bercot, Taylor and bible believing evengelicals whom hold to a just war theory rather than it being against catholics whom hold to a just war theory.

I have Dean Taylors book, it was not convincing to me, When I honestly searched the Scriptures with total openess on the subject I found one Scripture on the subject and it is the Scripture that I hold to on the subject : Luke 3:14
(KJV)

14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him,(John the Baptist who was preparing the way) saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, (((Do violence to no man))), neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.


sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

Hey there, proudpapa,

You know, I am using a bit of satire. I certainly would extend to any Christian the freedom to check out any debate they think they have the liberty of watching. It's really none of my business. I was just trying to communicate that the deck is a bit stacked when you have the source of "Just War" (the RCC), backing it up. I think it would be instructive for any Christian who knows their Bible and the Lord, to see how the RCC justifies killing men, women and children. After all, they have done it for centuries and they are not finished, yet. They put a pretty polished spin on it, and you gotta hear it to believe it.

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ginnyrose Mar 28, 2014

QUOTE:
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Who persecuted the Anabaptist? The Catholics or the Calvinists?
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Both did.

Some say the Reformers were worse then the Catholics.

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

We posted this event also so brethren could be in prayer for David Bercot and Dean Taylor that the Lord would give them words to share from the Scriptures.

sermonindex Mar 28, 2014

That is a very good point, Greg. I would like to see Peter Kreeft acknowledge Jesus instead of the Pope and many Catholics who may be watching.

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proudpapa Mar 28, 2014

RE : ///I was just trying to communicate that the deck is a bit stacked when you have the source of "Just War" (the RCC), backing it up.///

I agree.

I would like to see an open and meek discussion with Bercot,Taylor and that of a True Brother whom might hold a view like what Charles Finney did.
I would like to see a searching of Scriptures on the subject instead of St Augustine/Thomas Aquinas vs Justin Martyr/Origen debate

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