Praying to kill Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C1Z-5dHGKw4

I came across this video showing some Christians praying against Obamacare. The question I have is are they really using prayer in the right way with this or are they praying amiss? Is their hatred toward this healthcare prostituting the use of prayer or is God directing them to prayer against it and will that prayer be answered?

Brother,

I may not post a video about it or pray long prayers but I pray, "God bring someone into office who will undo obamacare. please Jesus."

I understand the verse you posted Greg and I'm not trying to be disagreeable but had the Christians in the 1700's only sat back on that verse we wouldn't have the United States of America. And i don't want to start a politically charged thread so that's all I'll say on it!! :)

I don't know if that man on youtube (or even me), is (are) praying amiss or not, b/c I honestly believe that God has allowed (or maybe even put into office), obama. It's like pharaoh instituting the Israelites to make bricks without straw... what is it going to take for God's people in America to begin to cry out for Him?

I do know that Christian's have become MORE Republican (political) instead of MORE Christian through this whole debacle, so I have no clue what we are in for down the road to get us to cry out to God. Who knows? Only God does but in the mean time, when it comes to mind, I'll still pray for new leadership and a better health care system.

God bless you,
Lisa

PS: One thing I have said and believe is that God's people need to step out in faith & learn to anoint with oil and lay hands on the sick b/c people are going to need THAT more than obamacare.

sermonindex....whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

just-in...NIV has corrupted the Scriptures as we can see in Romans 13.

The Constitution of the United States is a higher power than the tyrannical "governing authorities" which ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights. These are the highest laws of the land, not tyrannical judges and senators who are NOT obeying the "higher powers" of the nation. Are we to obey those "governing authorities" who are disobeying the "higher powers"?

You nailed it!

///In 67ad the Christians in Jerusalem fled to Pella.///

They Fled because Jesus specifically warned them in the Scriptures beforehand what was fixing to take place, and He had instructed them to flee. Had they not listened to the clear and specific warning in the Scriptures they would have been overthrown and killed.
I feel that to be a poor analogy to compare with The American Revolution for one reason and that is because in the Presbyterian Rebellion God in His Soverighnty allowed them to win.

RE: ///One thing I have said and believe is that God's people need to step out in faith & learn to anoint with oil and lay hands on the sick b/c people are going to need THAT more than obamacare///

very well said Lisa!

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I live in deep east Texas. I hear this sort of nonsense all the time at my church and on the radio and everywhere. And it wasn't until a few months ago that I also believed it. I am not better than anyone here in my town, but I am glad the Lord slapped me awake and showed me the darkness that was infecting my heart. Many men in my church say things like (and I said them too), "they can take my life, but they can't take my guns." And, having been shown by the Lord better, I will, in love, show them verses like Romans 13 and I always get the, "The constitution is the authority in our land, not people" response.

I'm sorry. We don't have the luxury of loopholes in this life. Winning by technicality is still a loss on our end, even if we convince the opposing side. The problem with so many believers in the USA is that they are willing to lay their lives down for all sorts of things--things that will perish and rot and will not outlast the purging of creation. But when it comes to the Gospel, we are largely silent. We allow all sorts of spiritual darkness to creep in everywhere--in our minds and churches and homes, and we do nothing. But you better be careful, because if a government official shows up on our doorstep, demanding our guns or rights or this or that, they are gonna get shot. Don't mind all the demonic teachings that have crept in, things that impact the rest of eternity, so long as we have a gun.

Those verses in Romans 13 are talking about people who are in higher authority than us. Regardless of what the constitution says, those people are still in authority over us. Rather than waging war in the flesh, how about we pray that God would give us the wisdom and dependence on him to actually preach the Gospel in our churches, communities, and all over this country. We have to draw a line in the sand. But it isn't and can't be about the constitution. We need to live out the distinction that God shows between His people and those who are not His people through a dependence on Christ, a pursuit of holiness, and the preaching of the Gospel. Lord knows I need to be doing that.

It is so easy for me to get on this forum and talk about these things and be a hypocrite who actually doesn't live it. And I am not using myself as an example to point out someone else's flaw. I am serious about me. If I am not careful, I will speak things that are truth, but not lived as truth in my own life. Those of us who are Americans, we all need a change of mind in regards to submission--especially me, because this isn't about me or you. It is about the glory of God through the Gospel of Christ.

by appolus on 2014/4/17 11:15:52

Dear Havok, what a great reply. There are obvious idols and then there are not so obvious idols. Those who have been on SI for any length of time no my position on the issues of patriotism and how it can be a cancerous idol in the hearts of believers. Many things have been done down through the centuries for " the love of country." My citizenship is a spiritual one. Every human on the planet was born somewhere, but every genuine saint was born at the foot of the cross and we are fellow pilgrims, mere sojourners, ambassadors of another kingdom and another King, King Jesus. In the world when you become a citizen of another country, when you are " naturalized," you have to renounce all princes and potentates and pledge sole allegiance to the country to which you are becoming a citizen. As is in the world, so it is in the Kingdom. We are about our Father's business in the very short time that we are here..............bro Frank

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AMEN!!!

Hi Everyone:

First time post response for me, but a long time reader and listener at SI.

In response to the sisters question, 2 Chronicles 7:14, is our only hope of getting the Lord to turn our captivity, not only as a Nation, but first, as individuals, then as a church.

I hear many say, "Judgement is coming!", No, we are in the midst of judgement, God has already turned the Nation and the church over to a reprobate mind and a spirit of delusion. Judgement has already started at the house of God, God help us if we can't see it.

With that said, God knows who are His, and He will provide for, deliver, protect, heal, and save His sheep as long as we maintain the conditions as outlined in the above scripture.

I believe one of the reasons we have same sex marriage in this country is because we, as His church, have not held up the sanctity of true covenant marriage as God defined it. Hence, since we were not faithful stewards in upholding and fighting for this truth God has sent a delusion upon the people that they would believe a lie and has allowed the definition of one man and one woman to be perverted. As the church has mocked God, He is now mocking the church. (I speak of those who only profess to know Him in word)

Things that were not allowed, accepted, or even spoken of when I was a child are now being done in excess.

Do we as a body of believers understand that the warnings of Paul in 2Timothy 3:1-9 and Romans 1:22-32 are speaking to believers? He is defining the behavior of those who profess Christ.

There is no question in my mind that our President was put in office by God. However, as wicked a ruler as he may seem (is), he IS a reflection of the heart of the people.

So is it wrong to pray that God turn our captivity or high health insurance premiums? For me, my hope and allegiance is not found in any country,nation, or union in this world, but solely in God's Kingdom.

Because this thread is about Obamacare, I will say this, If Obamacare goes away, I will praise God, if it doesn't I will praise Him ever more. I just want my heart to be right and don't want to misjudge the heart of another.

I also Amen the stepping out in faith and availing ourselves to the bodily healing that Christ already purchased and atoned for in His own blood. For He not only forgives all of our iniquities, but Healeth all our diseases.

God's Richest Blessing's & A Wonderful Resurrection Sunday To All. Brother Dave

First, we need to understand basic instruction about the Christian calling. A Christian is not of this world or its systems. Regarding the religious and political systems of men””Babylon””God instructs, "Come out of her, MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins” (Rev. 18:4). Babylon means confusion. The true servants of God have come out of this world, its governments and its confusion (I Cor. 14:33). When your government "lies" to you, you should not be partakers of it's sins.