Controversial Subject

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

Hello FriendsI was thinking about something regarding sin, and how we as believers preach against sin etc..I know fundementally it is taught that we are to preach against sin to the unbeliever, but what saith the scriptures?Is it our place to preach against sin? Oh I know this is a hot topic, but I am bringing this up because I want to examine the scriptures more closely, if you don't mind.I have observed Christians arguing with sinners over thier sin that that they want, is it our place to tell them they are doing wrong, or should we let them be?I think we should let them be, Why you ask?, because Jesus said this to another crowd who were hardened towards the truth in His day: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."Is it our place to keep beating a dead horse that will never acknowledge it's sin? I don't think so.The reason why I do not believe this is right, even though we have been taught differently to do otherwise, is that we preach against sin to those who have been apprehended, namely you and I.The sinner is preached Christ and Him crucified, NOT that he is a sinner. When we step over into this realm of pointing the finger at sin to the sinner, we are in essence saying that the Holy Spirit is NOT doing His job."And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment".The Holy Spirit is our helper, comforter and helpmeet, He works with us, or rather we work with Him. When we preach, Christ the holy Spirit convicts the sinner of his sin, and acknowledges with his own mouth that he is, but when we start naming sins, we are trying to create our own system of doing things. The churches are full of people who have felt guilty because they were "found out" but no real change has occured, no repentance, just a sorrow. I have had friends who were like this. They were preached that they were going to hell, Christ was not preached to them, it scared them because they thought they were going to hell and they started going to church. Later on as time progressed, they left.Now, if we consider what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. He preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Peter mentions one thing that they did and that was that they crucified their Christ. He didn't say that some were queers, whores, or thieves, didn't mention anything like that, but the holy Spirit was convicting 5000 hearts at one moment (thats quite a crowd).Another man by the name of Philip goes down to Samaria:"Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them". And,"they went forth, and preached every where, the ,Lord working with them and confirming the word with signs following."Paul went everywhere preaching the same Christ:"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God."Why isn't he preaching sin? Because sin is not the Good News nor is it glad tidings. Can we believe that the Holy Spirit can do His job, if we do ours?We have heard the term coined, "the holy Spirit convicts the sinner of sin", then why don't we allow Him of that priviledge?When we become believers then that message of sin is dealt with, we need to be preached at regarding this because sin has no place in the believers life, because his future is perfection:"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."John and Jesus preached against sin in thier day because they came to the people of God. They were God's church, and God came to restore the faith by John and to launch a new beginning thru Christ."Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him."But when Christ died, all that changed, the Jew was no different then the gentile, they became just like the sinner:"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"Now let me explain to you why I say this regarding Israel. In Romans 7"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man."When Christ came on the scene, Israel was an adultress.(Ezek23) God who was married to Israel loved Israel, but in order to set her free, He came in the person of Jesus Christ and died so that she no longer is an adultress even though she be married to another.I said all that because I know that If I read that, the scripture that would come to mind would be:"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid."I beleive that we committed a great crime by presenting the world our dislike of sin and not presenting the Good News of Jesus Christ. It's NOT the sins that are the issue. What was Christ doing on the cross?"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them ; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."The above verse is the Gospel in a nut shell. God was restoring man back unto Himself so that He could write His laws in them and walk in them.Can we believe that Christ made an end of sins? Seven things that Christ came and done when He came in His week:"to 1finish the transgression, and to 2make an end of sins, and to 3make reconciliation for iniquity, and to 4bring in everlasting righteousness, and 5to seal up the vision and 6prophecy, and 7to anoint the most Holy."Making and end of sins doesn't mean that people stop sinning, but rather that sin has been atoned for once for all."For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."I know, many think that we are weak because we don't name sin to the sinner. Do you know who put the early church in jail?It wasn't the local homosexual groups, or the ACLU, it was the religious bunch of that day who had influences with the government (this is why she was called an adultress). "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men"Karl

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

If one does not realize that they are lost, it makes no sense at all to tell them they need a savior.

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

Brother LahryThat is a good statement.Sinners are lost, that is to say that they need a saviour to bring them into right fellowship with God. Again that is the Good News.The sinner who hears the message will be convicted by the holy Ghost. Not all get convicted to salvation, some get convicted only to be hardened.Notice the difference between these two groups."When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.""Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"Thanks LahryKarl

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AndrewBruce Apr 16, 2005

Karl,I agree with you completely we aren't to harp on an unbeliever's sin and tell them that they should change their ways. All we can do is tell them that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory and that the wages of their sin is death (a little Romans road there)and go from there. I don't expect an unbeliever to do what is right. Why should he? He has no reason to do what is right until God gets a hold of his heart.Well put Karl!

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geddingsm Apr 16, 2005

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. The purpose of the law is to make us see our sin. The preaching of salvation must begin with the law and then move into grace.Usually the fault in modern preaching is it is all grace which leads to false converts or all law which leads to a bunch of convicted sinners and it usually doesn't take much to convice someone they are a sinner.As for your posting, when Peter preached on Pentecost he was preaching to a bunch of Jews who already knew the law. When Phillip preached at Samaria they were aware of the law because they were "offshoots" of the Jews who the Jews considered "halfbreeds".The most complete discription of Paul's preaching is: Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Notice he used the law and the prophets.And when he talked to king Agrippa:Acts 26:20 But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. How would he convince Gentiles to repent except he showed them their sin through the use of the law?yours in Christ,geddingsm

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Bomar Apr 16, 2005

Check out Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ray Comfort.

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taco Apr 16, 2005

I am not usualy one to enter into contoversial conversations. :-) But I am interested in this one. Some brethren and I did a study some time back in the book of acts. We looked at every single time the gospel was preached, wheter to an individual, a small group or a multitude. In each case we noted1) who spoke2)to whom (jew or gentile)3)the message preached4)Scriptures quoted (if any)5)the resultsI wont go into detail on our findings. But it is an excellent study for a group of believers to do together.The understanding of some, that the law must be preached, before the gospel, doesn't seem to stand up in the light of the preaching of the book of acts.A san aside, it is very interesting to note when and to whom Scriptures are quoted in the preaching of the gospel, there is a great deal of consistency in thiier use.taco

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

GeddingsWhat you have written is true, what you brought out is the same thing what the holy Spirit does, this is His work in the sinners heart before He confesses Christ.I am taking an extraction from a verse in Romans. In Romans it is referring to something else, but it holds true to those who are considering the Gospel."Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts......"When one hears the Good News that Christ came to bring man back into fellowship with God NOT imputing their transgressions (that is a mouthful), the holy Spirit is convicting them of sin, their conscience also bearing witness. They will either do two things, confess thier sins or be hardened, and it would be better if they didn't hear at all.What Paul was doing in those meetings, was convincing that the law pointed to Christ, the prophets spoke of Christ and Paul would lift those verses out of the law that sat in obscurity and brought light to his listeners. Those who rejected it were crazy, a child could understand it.When I first came into a relationship with our LORD Jesus Christ, I was reading the New Testement. No one taught me about sin or that I was a sinner, but I knew that something was wrong with me, I knew I needed a saviour, so I cried out to the LORD to save me.Now this next verse is the cruncher, this to me tells me that Christ was a strong advocate of predestination. Watch this:"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."What an insult!When a sinner hears God's word and receives them into his field that good ground, he is of God and heareth God. Then there are those who don't hear God and they are not of God, but they are of thier father the devil. There were two types of seeds sown in the field, the good seed and the seed of the enemy."And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."Thanks for that insight, I like them kind of posts when it makes us think about one thing, while giving us another thought to think about.Karl

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

Taco wrote:I wont go into detail on our findingsNow Taco, why would you throw this teaser in here. Do share your findings.Karl

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taco Apr 16, 2005

Now Taco, why would you throw this teaser in here. Do share your findings.Well, somone else PMd me requesting the same. I have the study notes/findings kept in a hardback notebook but don't (think I) have an electronic copy saved. But it is a very easy study to do either on your own or (recommended) with some other believers. I personaly think it would mean more for anyone who is interested to do it themselves, rather than just read a ready made report. You could read such a finding in 20 minutes and the tendancy would be to read it in light of what you already know/believe. But to study it out step by step, and prayerfuly, gives truth a chance to make itself known to you in a much more definite way.

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deltadom Apr 16, 2005

I was looking up John Wesley they banned him from all the churches in england and it was said that his parish was the world

sermonindex Apr 16, 2005

In truth, the church will look like the world until those things that we held dear to us falls away. Legalism puts on an open show in church, but at home the true is revealed. What is revealed at home is not bad, what is shown at church is bad. No one is real, no one knows one another, therefore we are not accountable to anyone.The New Testement gives us hints as to a certain amount of time to grow, and we are not stay in one spot forever. We are to move on, as Wigglesworth and Eli Barnabas states, if your not pressing forward, your backslidden.Karl

sermonindex Apr 17, 2005

A good example of Jesus preaching against sin to sinners is John 4:14. Here we find the story the Samaritan women at the well. It wasn't until Jesus told her that she was living with a different man and opened her eyes to the sin in her life that she understood who He was and what it meant for her. Also Paul's biggest book on sin was Romans. You can't read it one time through and not see that he preached against sin.

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Corneliu Apr 21, 2005

You wrote: "Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them". And,"they went forth, and preached every where, the ,Lord working with them and confirming the word with signs following."Paul went everywhere preaching the same Christ:"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God."Why isn't he preaching sin? Because sin is not the Good News nor is it glad tidings. Can we believe that the Holy Spirit can do His job, if we do ours?" Mark 16:15 "And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach(kerusso) the gospel"Mat 4:17 "...Jesus began to preach (kerusso) and to say " Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"Mat 4:23 "And Jesus went... teaching... and preaching the gospel of the kingdom..." So, I belive preaching sin and repentance, is part of the gospel we were sent to preach. Crist did die and paid for the sins, but only if we repent.

sermonindex Apr 21, 2005

Corneliu wrote:So, I belive preaching sin and repentance, is part of the gospel we were sent to preach. Crist did die and paid for the sins, but only if we repent.I am not doubting this, but as always with postings we have a difficult time seeing into the message that is being presented.The message of the gospel is this:"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."This is the first part of the message of the gospel, the second part is repentance, the remedy that will bring us to God.The Gospel is not a thrashing message used against sinners so they can line up to our "standards".There is a vast difference between a sinner and a person who is wicked. The sinner will confess that they do sin, a wicked person will not, they hide behind pretenses and show. The Roman Catholic Church is a prime example, the sect of the Pharisees is another example, because they said "we see, therefore their sin remaineth". The sinner will say, "I can't see, show me the way".Karl

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letsgetbusy Jul 5, 2005

Healingwaters,I am responding to this:"Now, if we consider what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. He preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Peter mentions one thing that they did and that was that they crucified their Christ. He didn't say that some were queers, whores, or thieves, didn't mention anything like that, but the holy Spirit was convicting 5000 hearts at one moment (thats quite a crowd)."The reason that Peter preached Christ crucified is that these were godly Jews assembling that already knew the terror of the law. Paul said:"Whereby knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."He also said:"I had not known sin, but by the law"There are cases where grace does not seem to be predeced by law, sin, and judgement, but it is there. The men that asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" were given the reply, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved." But what had these men that asked this question seen? They had seen the men that had preached repentance, mocked and rebuked by people that were so convicted they wanted to kill them, but they threw them in jail. Once the preachers were in jail, they prayed until the prison shook. Only then did then men ask, "What shall I do to be saved?" Because they were persuaded by the terror of the Lord.If Jesus is our Lord and Saviour, what does He save us from? Scripture doesn't specifically say Hell, though it implies that and He does save us from Hell. It doesn't say specifically that He saves us from the second death, though He does. The first chapter of the New Testament instruction manual, Matthew 1:21 tells us plainly: "Thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."We don't tell people they are queers, whores, and thieves, we ask them have they ever lied, stolen, or looked with lust. Psalm 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul." We must show people they have sinned against heaven, the same way:1) Nathan did with David (adultery, murder)2) Jesus did with the woman at the well (adultery)3) Jesus did with the rich young ruler (idolatry, ie:love of money)4) Paul did on Mars Hill (God commands all men everywhere to repent)Please listen to Ray Comfort's "Hell's Best Kept Secret." I would write a book on this subject if it would convince you that convincing sinners of their sin is Biblical. Please listen to Comforts's message. It is that important.

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todd Jul 7, 2005

This is a very interesting topic. I used to be very into Ray Comfort's teachings. I still think he has a relevant message but I also think it has some flaws.I felt that Galatians 3:24 was one of the most convincing verses in Comforts message. Yet in context I am not quite sure he has the best interpretation. I'm just not confident in it. In context, Paul is discussing the history of the people of God up until Christ. Then when faith came through Christ, and thereby justification by that means, we were no longer under a tutor (the Law). It seems that the example of the Gospels and Acts reveals that faith is the main issue now, not following sets of behavioral rules. Now it's all about faith in the heart, and it seems that when genuine faith is established in the heart, right actions follow. I understand that repentence essentially means "to change the way you think." If this occurs, a change in action will follow.I still think there might be some cases where the best thing to do is to confront someone with the Law for their own good so that they can realize their sin and their need for salvation. But I don't know how often this will be the case.Quote:'The men that asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" were given the reply, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved." But what had these men that asked this question seen?'They had seen the power of God. In fact, it was the open demonstration of the power of God that got them in jail in the first place (see 16:16-24). Paul cast a spirit of divination out of a slave girl who was making her masters money by fortune telling. So, it was the power of God that caused their imprisonment, and it was the power of God that got them out. Clearly the jailers were frightened by God's awesome power in this instance for it says that one of them was "trembling with fear [and] fell down before Paul and Silas." But I maintain that it was the power of God, not the Law, that prepared these men for the Gospel. And I believe this is the best way to do it.1 Cor. 2:4-5"And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God."Paul wanted his converts faith to rest on what? The power of God. I believe that this is the surest way to make a genuine convert. They must be exposed to the raw power of God, not just convincing words.Even some of the examples sited (i.e. Nathan with David, Jesus with woman at the well, etc.) speak to me more of the power of God than the Law. Besides Nathan and David being in the Old Testament and therefore perhaps not as relevant to modern techniques, Nathan was speaking to David, a believer. So this is not an example of conversion, right? But it is also interesting to note that even here, it was the power of God (prophecy) that led David to repentence.It's the same with the woman at the well. It wasn't like Jesus was just going through a formula with the woman trying to get her to see her sinfulness. He exposed her heart through the power of prophecy. This is very different than just interviewing her to find her sins. This shows her that God knows her and throughout this whole encounter you can see Jesus offering her something better, a better life, eternal, living water. How kindly He treated her.Now, I'm sure that his exposing of her adultery convicted her as well, but I just want to point out the importance of the power of God at work too. Also note that the Rich Young Ruler came to Jesus, Jesus didn't come to him. This changes the whole dynamic.Also notice that Paul was taken by the philosophers and brought to the Areopagus and invited to speak. These last two examples are in contrast to simply going up to people on the streets and confronting them. I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, I think that might be fine, but I just want to point it out.I've listened quite a bit to Comfort's teachings, I've also read his book "The Golden Key of Revival" (which I think used to be called "Hells Best Kept Secret), and observed his people at work on the streets of Santa Monica. And again, I think his message and philosphy on evangelism has some relevance, but I also think it has some flaws. I guess my main contention is this. Comfort's teachings seem to promote confronting the lost with the Law, but leaves out the importance of the power of God to go along with it.

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Tex_Hill Jul 7, 2005

Who in this thread has listened to or watched Ray Comfort's message "Hell's Best Kept Secret"? If you haven't, then please do so here: mms://64.106.201.90/wotm/hbks.wmvWhen I watched Ray's message, it shook me to my core, and made me realize that I had made a false profession of faith when I 1st accepted Christ. This was because my motives in doing so were wrong.Ray was concerned with the number of people who profess a faith in Christ and then within a years time fall away and leave their faith (over 90%) Ray took the time to study church growth and the evangelism methods used by our churches today. He then compared today's methods with those used by Spurgeon, Moody, & other evangelists from their era. His work led him to the conclusion that these "backsliders" are leaving their faith because they are being preached a "man" centered gospel instead of a God centered Gospel. In other words,churches are telling those who are lost that believing in Christ will make their life better. When we should be telling them the truth, that they are sinners who are doomed to go to Hell unless they repent & accept Christ's payment for thier sins.Ray uses a great example that I am going to share with you now:The Bible says in Psalm 19, verse 7, “The law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul.” What is it that the Bible says is perfect and actually converts the soul? Why scripture makes it very clear: “The law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul.” Now to illustrate the function of God’s law, let’s just look for a moment at civil law. Imagine if I said to you, “I’ve got some good news for you: someone has just paid a $25,000 speeding fine on your behalf.” You’d probably react by saying, “What are you talking about? That’s not good news: it doesn’t make sense. I don’t have a $25,000 speeding fine.” My good news wouldn’t be good news to you: it would seem foolishness. But more than that, it would be offensive to you, because I’m insinuating you’ve broken the law when you don’t think you have. However, if I put it this way, it may make more sense: “On the way to this meeting, the law clocked you at going 55 miles an hour through an area set aside for a blind children’s convention. There were ten clear warning signs stating that fifteen miles an hour was the maximum speed, but you went straight through at 55 miles an hour. What you did was extremely dangerous; there’s a $25,000 fine. The law was about to take its course, when someone you don’t even know stepped in and paid the fine for you. You are very fortunate.”Can you see that telling you precisely what you’ve done wrong first actually makes the good news makesense. If I don’t clearly bring instruction and understanding that you’ve violated the law, then the good news will seem foolishness; it will seem offensive. But once you understand that you’ve broken the law, then that good news will become good news indeed. Now in the same way, if I approach an impenitent sinner and say, “Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins,” it will be foolishness and offensive to him. Foolishness because it won’t make sense. The Bible says that:“The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness” (1Cor. 1:18). And offensive because I’m insinuating he’s a sinner when he doesn’t think he is. As far as he’s concerned, there are a lot of people far worse than him. But if I take the time to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, it may make more sense. If I take the time to open up the divine law, the ten commandments, and show the sinner precisely what he’s done wrong, that he has offended God by violating His law, then when he becomes, as James says, “convinced of the law as a transgressor” (Jam. 2:9), the good news of the fine being paid for will not be foolishness, it will not be offensive, it will be “the power of God unto salvation” (Rom. 1:16).- Ray Comfort "Hell's Best Kept Secret"Now, let's look at an example from Scripture:(John 4:5) Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.(John 4:6) Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.(John 4:7) There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.(John 4:8) (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)(John 4:9) Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.(John 4:10) Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.(John 4:11) The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?(John 4:12) Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?(John 4:13) Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:(John 4:14) But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.(John 4:15) The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.(John 4:16) Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.(John 4:17) The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:(John 4:18) For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.(John 4:19) The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.(John 4:20) Our fathers worshiped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.(John 4:21) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.(John 4:22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.(John 4:23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.(John 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.(John 4:25) The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.(John 4:26) Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.(John 4:27) And upon this came his disciples, and marveled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?(John 4:28) The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,(John 4:29) Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?(John 4:30) Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.Notice what Jesus did? He 1st revealed the Samaritan woman's sin, and then He showed her the need of a savior.

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letsgetbusy Jul 7, 2005

todd, You are obviously not a stranger to Scripture, and you didn't try to excommunicate me for my thread, so I must give thanks to you for your brotherly respect since you had an opportunity to blast me. Sometimes I've wondered if God intended for Christian brothers to discuss their differences of opinion, and work on their self-control. All this said, like Whitefield and Wesley, I must say, "No dear Sir, you mistake."I will ask these questions, honestly looking for your personal opinion:1) On September 10, 2001, God sends you to the World Trade Center to attempt to convert those who are headed for certain tragedy. Your message: the gospel of Jesus Christ. What do you say?2) I have 2 minutes to live, tell me what I must do to be saved.

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todd Jul 8, 2005

lgb, I appreciate your spirit of peace here as well. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "No dear Sir, you mistake," but I'm assuming it means something like, "I don't agree with you." Am I correct on that?In response to your questions, I honestly don't know. Anything could happen.