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David Ravenhill on Pope John Paul II

sermonindex Apr 22, 2005

David shared these with me today and I wanted to share them here. One is 18 points, another is a poem, another is an article. As a rejoicing former Catholic, it is my honor to share these things. What the Pope has learned since he diedMack Tomlinson/David Ravenhill1) That he was never the Vicar of Christ2) That he had no claim to the title Holy Father3) That there is no such place as Purgatory4) That infant baptism does not make you a part of the Body of Christ5) That Mary never heard any of his prayers6) That the rosary never worked7) That the pope was never God's mediator, only Christ8) That all the burning of candles will do, is produce smoke9) That he was never infallible10) That all his righteousness was as filthy rags before God11) That his church and HIS church were totally distinct12) That even the 'elect' can be deceived13) That Romanism was wrong in persecuting true Christians14) That man's approval and God's approval are not the same15) That he did not hear "well done thou good and faithful servant"16) That he lead millions into false faith and a false system17) That he received a much hotter welcome than he expected18) That he will receive greater judgmentNow for the poem:Holy SmokeBy David RavenhillHoly smoke - it's black againAs it pours from the VaticanIt's clear the cardinals can't agreeOn who their choice Pope should beThere is no doubt, the man they pickWas chosen based on politic'This ritual still amazes meTheir Pope's infallibility?The Church's head is Christ aloneHe reigns from heaven not from RomeSo search the Scriptures and you'll seeWith God there is 'no vacancy'Position filled.So let's forget the PapacyIt's nothing but IDOLATRY!Now for the article:The Pedophile Pontiff: Pope John Paul IIBy David RavenhillI've been stunned over the past few days following the death of Pope John Paul II by the overwhelming outpouring of praise for his life and legacy. Both Evangelicals as well as one prominent Charismatic leader have expressed their remorse at his passing. What has shocked me that most is the way they have spoken about him. One Charismatic leader refers to him as, and I quote, "A true Saint", "The most remarkable leader of our time", "a man of God", "a leader who blessed and advanced the whole Church and indeed, the cause of Christianity itself" and "one of the greatest men of God of our time".Let me ask you, are these the type of accolades we reserve for the leader of the world's largest pedophile ring in human history, the Roman Catholic Priesthood? Keep in mind it was under the leadership of this "true saint" that some 100,000 young boys were sodomized. This is in the United States alone. One can only imagine the mind boggling numbrs when you calculate the third world countries where the young have no legal means of protection or recourse for such heinous acts. This "man of God" had the power with one stroke of his Papal pen to repeal this demonic doctrine and forever overturn the traditions of men by permitting priests 'to marry rather than to burn'. Instead he chose to "bind" instead of "loose" and so released upon the world tens of thousands of pedophile 'piranha priests' who preyed upon the lives of innocent children leaving them scared and scarred, their lives forever destroyed. Jesus said "It would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and to be thrown into the sea rather than cause one of these little ones to perish."How can anyone in their right mind call this man, "the most remarkable leader of our time"? Conservative estimates report that close to twenty five percent of Roman Catholic priests are practicing homosexuals, not to mention their lesbian counterparts. I didn't hear the 'pontiff' publicly repent for his actions and the actions of 'his church' in this regard.We also need to keep in mind that prior to Pople John Paul II apologizing for the Catholic Church's persecution of both Protestants and Jews he warned his faithful flock in Mexico to be wary of all Evangelicals. God forbid they should embrace the true gospel of faith in Christ and find themselves free from the chains of sin as well as that of Rome. This man was a true chameleon who knew how to change his colors to suit his audience.Jesus warned us that in these last days we would see a rise of false prophets and teachers which lead me to ask, where does this Charismatic leader really recieve his 'revelations' from? He has certainly left me with some questions. The only real tragedy that has resulted from the death of John Paul II is this: They will appoint another Pope in his place.

sermonindex Apr 22, 2005

Any thoughts?

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couch Apr 22, 2005

Jesse,I've already sent this article/poem/article to a few of my friends, one of which had already sent it to me this morning and I didn't even realize it.When I met David at the Deeper Waters Retreat here in College Station last November we were very impressed with His character, love for God, and love for the Word of God. I definitely respect him and appreciate His heart for God to receive what is due His name!Thanks for posting this, may we ever burn for the Lord's glory in our own hearts, and with everlasting zeal for the perishing around us. May they see the true Christ displayed mightily through a transformed people bearing the words and heart of Heaven...

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KingJimmy Apr 22, 2005

Pretty strong article if you ask me. Hot as a poker straight from the fire. The article was a little bit of a let down for me personally, but I thought the poem was quite good.

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jouko Apr 22, 2005

Thank you.jouko

sermonindex Apr 23, 2005

I really appreciate David coming out with these. I am absolutely amazed and appauled at the way people praise this man who some sinfully call "Holy Father" who claimed to be "Christ on earth" and claimed to be infallible, and taught salvation through Mary and salvation by works. The Pope is in BIG, BIG trouble with an angry God!! I thought we were supposed to be protestants!

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CJaKfOrEsT Apr 23, 2005

Finally, a level headed statment....and true. :cry:

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IRONMAN Apr 23, 2005

that was straight to the point...

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todd Apr 23, 2005

Let me state plainly that I don't know a lot about the RCC. I have never seriously studied it although I would like to.But my observation is that this 1 man is being blamed for the problems in the RCC. Did he not get elected into a system that already had major issues with corruption? And as far as Protestantism... ever seen the flaws of it's most recognized leader? Martin Luther may have got an essential doctrine right, but the man had serious flaws. Yet many would not hesitate to give him the titles Ravenhill mentions: "A true Saint", "The most remarkable leader of [that] time", "a man of God", "a leader who blessed and advanced the whole Church and indeed, the cause of Christianity itself" and "one of the greatest men of God of [his] time". He was a remarkable leader and I think I might consider him to be a great man if for no other reason but on account of his courage alone.Maybe John Paul II didn't reform the entire RCC, maybe he made some or even many mistakes, but was he a good leader? The article states, "Let me ask you, are these the type of accolades we reserve for the leader of the world's largest pedophile ring in human history, the Roman Catholic Priesthood? Keep in mind it was under the leadership of this "true saint" that some 100,000 young boys were sodomized." Sure, this is an ugly statistic, but it seems very unfair to give the majority of blame to the Pope here. In such a vast and complex system a leader can only do so much. A ship that big can't just do a 180 in a snap. It takes time. Quote:"How can anyone in their right mind call this man, "the most remarkable leader of our time"? Conservative estimates report that close to twenty five percent of Roman Catholic priests are practicing homosexuals, not to mention their lesbian counterparts. I didn't hear the 'pontiff' publicly repent for his actions and the actions of 'his church' in this regard."Again this seems wrong to place the majority of blame on the Pope. Perhaps public repentance would have been the correct thing to do, or perhaps he in fact did do it, I really don't know for sure. But I understand the most recent studies and opinions indicate that over half of the evangelical church is getting divorces, and that adultery and pornography are fairly commonplace, even among the leadership. I also understand that homosexuality is big problem in the evangelical and, yes, "Protestant" realms of the Church. Is sexual sin not a major problem in the whole Church? Yes, even amongst those who consider themselves "Protestants"? Is it really fair to spit on a man's legacy by labelling him "The Pedophile Pontiff" even if he never even committed such an act? I've appreciated some of David Ravenhill's words in the past, but this is very disappointing.

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