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The Anti-Christ: Dispensationals or Catholics?

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kirindor Apr 24, 2005

I run in some pretty conservative protestant circles, and I know the litany of Catholic errors. I have heard them for too long.1. Tradition on par with Scripture.2. All sorts of problems with Mary.3. etc.4. etc.5. etc.But over the years, I have run up on some pretty oddball and heretical (or at least in error) protestants.1. Oneness pentecostals2. Charismatics and their continuing revelations.3. Christian Reconstructionists4. Open Theists5. Theonomists6. The New Perspective on Paul7. The Toronto Blessing8. Name-it Claim-it9. Give me $6 million or God is going to take me away (Oral Roberts).10. Carnal Christians11. etc.There are a lot of heresies in that group. The Protestants are a huge group with a lot of variety - we are not homogeneous.The Catholics are a huge group with a lot of variety. Dig a little deeper and you will be surprised at what you find.Sola ScripturaSola Fide

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kirindor Apr 24, 2005

Really which is worse? Can you tell?A catholic who places tradition and the pope on par with Scripture, or a charasmatic who believes in continuing revelation?It is easy to point out the errors in others, but the real challenge is to find your own."Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Galatians 6:1God Bless

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CJaKfOrEsT Apr 24, 2005

kirindor wrote:It is easy to point out the errors in others, but the real challenge is to find your own.Amen:-)

sermonindex Apr 25, 2005

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: 2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds.

sermonindex Apr 25, 2005

ooop... I forgot I wasnt going to post anymore... I'm outa here! CyaKrispy

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KingJimmy Apr 25, 2005

You seem to presume a cessationist point of view. I believe such is grevious error. I will refrain from grouping you with the Catholics though.

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kirindor Apr 26, 2005

I do believe that continuing revelation has ceased.II Tim 3:16, 17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."Scripture has a purpose and that purpose is to thoroughly furnish the man of God unto all good works. For there to be contining revelation, Scripture must be insufficient for some of my life. I have a hard time with that?Besides, how is your continuing revelation different from the Catholic view of tradition?

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CJaKfOrEsT May 1, 2005

kirindor wrote:But over the years, I have run up on some pretty oddball and heretical (or at least in error) protestants.1. Oneness pentecostals2. Charismatics and their continuing revelations.3. Christian Reconstructionists4. Open Theists5. Theonomists6. The New Perspective on Paul7. The Toronto Blessing8. Name-it Claim-it9. Give me $6 million or God is going to take me away (Oral Roberts).10. Carnal Christians11. etc.There are a lot of heresies in that group. The Protestants are a huge group with a lot of variety - we are not homogeneous.The Catholics are a huge group with a lot of variety. Dig a little deeper and you will be surprised at what you find.I just read this properly, and realised I read the last post I responded too wrong.Notice that most of the groups that you have referred to are of the "pentacostal/charismatic" camp? I have a little theory, that this group is rapidly becoming the "Catholic Church" equivelent of the modern church era. The particularly dangerous part of this, is the they give verbal assent to the doctrines of the faith (read through their statement of beliefs, and you'll rarely read "We believe that God wants to make you a millionaire" or the like), but display a total contradiction by their conduct and preaching. At least the Roman Catholics had the backbone to formalise their beliefs on paper.Considering the widespread acceptability of the Pentacostal/Charimatic (P/C) denominations by the world, they are rapidly becoming (f not already), a "state religion", in similar ways to the Roman Catholic church did in the Dark Ages. Instead of one Pope, the P/C movment has a pethora of leaders that are given "papal credibility", with even the ability to overide scripture.As with the first reformation, the P/C denominations have their "protestants" who are branded as "heretics" for opposing church doctrine (in spite of biblical commands to "descern"). They have their "Martin Luthers" who seem to take forever commiting to rejecting the movements they are involved with, and then "wake up and smell the coffee", only to persecute their "Anabaptists" for being more radical than them. Their reformers even break into camps of "holiness" and "grace" movements, which are akin to Arimianism and Calvanism.Can't speak for the other Protestant movements, but being an above mentioned "Martin Luther" in a charismatic movement (call me a sucker, but I still think there's hope for them), I can write volumes on what I see there. Lord give us the mrecy to continue to "examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith.." and the courage to protest when necessary, and the wisdom to recognise when we're throwing "pearls before swine".

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