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Growing anti-semitism

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docs Oct 16, 2014

There's hardly any way to categorize anti-semitism in some of its more classic forms except to say it is a phenomenon that defies natural explanation. It is so irrational, illogical and is a reaction that goes way off the charts in regards to the supposed wrongs which it is said to be against in a certain race of people. It is my opinion that one can ascertain with a certain degree of certainty that it has spiritual origins and is connected to the dark principalities and powers that rule this present world system. And it's rearing its ugly head once again in more places than one.

Paris was recently plastered with anti Jewish and anti-semitic graffiti painted on many buildings which warned Jews their future was dark. The Islamic regimes in the Middle East have increased the beating of their war drums against the modern state of Israel and against Jewry in general. Anti-semitism is appearing in Latin America of all places and recently in Germany a very virulent set of demonstrations were held with strong anti-semitic rantings and it was young Germans seemingly ignoring their country's past that were doing much of the ranting. Time and time again ant-semitism has risen its head to blame the Jews for everything under the sun. And here we are again. It's my opinion that it is going to increase and is a prophetic sign pointing to large events coming and my question is how to best go about warning Jewish people of what is now growing and will continue to grow. I don't think these events are something to be taken lighly and dismissed along the lines of well we've seen it before and this willl pass also. With the utmost respect to the Jewish people, how should those who believe in Jesus the Messiah go about bringing to the attention of the Jewish people that this present round of anti-semitism is going to grow and should not be taken lightly.

In fear and trembling.

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Sidewalk Oct 16, 2014

Following WW2, in an effort to rebuild France brought in thousands of Muslims from North Africa and other regions to provide the cheap labor they thought they needed. Not big on birth control, this population has grown but the work ethic was quashed by the liqueur of socialist welfare.

Right now the wealthy French are fleeing the country and the system is pretty much in collapse. Much of the problem, some claim, is the fact that so many Jewish professionals were eliminated during the Nazi holocaust. The vacuum was filled with uneducated and religiously intolerant Muslims.

And somehow through the fog, it's still fashionable to blame the Jews!

What amazes me is the way Jews in America overwhelmingly vote liberal, against their own interests?

We live in a strange world.

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proudpapa Oct 16, 2014

///how should those who believe in Jesus the Messiah go about bringing to the attention of the Jewish people that this present round of anti-semitism is going to grow and should not be taken lightly.///

They need to be saved.

They need to understand that there ancestors said this : "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

Here is what Stephen had to say : "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:"

Paul says of there unsaved system : "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."

We must agree that Scripture is also clear that we as Christians are not to be anti-semitic :

Paul says "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."

"...that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy."

But lets becareful that we do not confuse mercy with a blind acceptance of an anti Jesus system.


sermonindex Oct 16, 2014

papa, number two flame throwing post.

i'd give you a home made recipe for napalm so you could play in the back yard, but that would mean I like you.

aint taking the bait.

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proudpapa Oct 16, 2014

Brother HezWelling,

Instead of the personal attack could you please point out anything that I wrote that is unscriptural.

sermonindex Oct 16, 2014

Brother HezWelling,

Instead of the personal attack could you please point out anything that I wrote that is unscriptural.

you know EXACTLY the bait you're throwing out there...and in doing that? dark hearted and evil, the classic Jew hater, and you call me "brother"?

i'll never post to you again.

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proudpapa Oct 16, 2014

Brother HezWelling,

after reading your response, I feel weak all over,
I did not relieze that what I posted would be taken so offensively as I look back at what I wrote and in light of history I can see the offence of how it is written,

I have been bothered and a bit confused by somethings that have been going around in my fellowship and others that I know, whom seem to almost accept unsaved jewish people as though they are saved.

I detest anti-semitism

The greatest Men and Man in history was Jewish.

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tbsounde2 Oct 16, 2014

I am so confused right now...I felt my heart drop as well after reading the harsh replies on this and the other post which I think were completely uncalled for...I think we would do well to remember to check our hearts before we allow unbridled passion to cause unnecessary harm and division to the Body.

sermonindex Oct 16, 2014

I misread your intent. i'm very weary right now brother, otherwise I would open my heart and tell you in a detailed way, why I feel this way, but I didn't want you to lay your head to rest without begging your forgiveness. in Jesus love, neil

sermonindex Oct 17, 2014

well, when you're an 8 year old being raised up in synagogue school, and watch documentaries, about the horrors of the holocaust, then later in life, apprehend Messiah, and THEN be told by an "elder" since you've accepted Jesus, "you're no longer a Jew"....makes you kind of wary.

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proudpapa Oct 17, 2014

Brother HezWelling,

I more than forgive you, I am ashamed, convicted and sorry for what I wrote and thankful that you admonished me,

May I always remember That it was my sin that put Jesus on the cross.

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Sree Oct 17, 2014

This is something in my heart as well. I am also confused on how we should deal with it. A Christian should not be hater of any people leave alone Jews. But should we support Jews blindly, just because they were once God's chosen people? I still believe God still honors his covenant with them that is why they even exist in the midst of all the attack.

I support the Jewish cause for forming the state. Even if forming the country involved driving away Palestine. This I do because I believe that God has promised the land to Jews and they are only taking it by faith. Also I believe the land belongs to them as both Bible and Archieology proves the same.

I also believe the Muslim nations are fighting against Jews not because of the wanting of land but because they want to kill Jews. Quran speads so much hatred against Jews and hence its followers want to kill Jews. The land is just a cover given for this religious cause.

My view of Jews stop here. I do not want to support all their actions as if God is behind them. Bible is clear when it blames the Jews for killing all the Prophets and our own Lord. Also Jews killed our Apostles and many Godly men. I do not read any history of Jews protecting Christianity or even treating Christians special. But I read historically Christians had soft corner for Jews like Cory Tenboon. I am not saying that Christians never attacked Jews but my point is there is no soft corner for Christians in the heart of Jews. But I see many Christian leaders openly supporting Jews as if it is God's purpose for them. I am not sure whether it is right or wrong. I am still not clear. In my mind other than the 2 consideration that I have for Jews, I do not have anyother special concern, nor are they blessed in any spiritual way.

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murrcolr Oct 17, 2014

Quote: In my mind other than the 2 consideration that I have for Jews, I do not have another special concern, nor are they blessed in any spiritual way.

I can't make you have any special consideration for the Jews, however I can challenge your thinking that they are not blessed in any spiritual way.

Israel ”“ The Olive Tree

Israel is Israel, christianity did not spring forth from a vacuum. The church actually has no root system of its own, it sprang from the highly developed religious tradition and culture of ancient Israel. It the church was a previously wild branch grafted on to the trunk and roots of Israel, we are given that position by virtue of "grafting in,” "adoption,” "partakers,” and being "made near:”

God chose Israel, he chose the Jews to be a blessing to the nations, it is this nation that gave us the old testament, it is that nation, that people that our saviour came to us from, it is from that nation, that people that wrote the Gospels and the letters of the new testament, it is Israel that we are grafted into when we believe in Christ...

Paul the Apostle stressed the importance of keeping the right attitude toward Israel and the Jewish people. That attitude was to be one of humility Rom. 11:20, mercy Rom. 11:31 and kindness, even to the point of stressing an obligation in sharing material gifts with the people of Israel Rom. 15:27.

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crusader Oct 20, 2014

Hi murrcolr

its an interesting reply, i dont have any final belief in the matter but your statement has me thinking. i tend to stay away from these normally. thankyou

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docs Oct 26, 2014

You wrote,

"My view of Jews stop here. I do not want to support all their actions as if God is behind them. Bible is clear when it blames the Jews for killing all the Prophets and our own Lord. Also Jews killed our Apostles and many Godly men. I do not read any history of Jews protecting Christianity or even treating Christians special. But I read historically Christians had soft corner for Jews like Cory Tenboon. I am not saying that Christians never attacked Jews but my point is there is no soft corner for Christians in the heart of Jews. But I see many Christian leaders openly supporting Jews as if it is God's purpose for them. I am not sure whether it is right or wrong. I am still not clear. In my mind other than the 2 consideration that I have for Jews, I do not have anyother special concern, nor are they blessed in any spiritual way." (END)

Romans 11:28 comes to mind,

"From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers."

They might be called "God's beloved enemy." The first thing many Christans find themselves up against as fr as witnessing to Jews is concerned is the church's harsh treatment of Jews over the centuries. Many discern and are even beginning to warn of anopther round of anti-semitism that is coming and if the church will continue to stand against this thing hatched in hell then it might go a ways in helping heal the historical breach between the church and the synagogue. I'm of the opinion though that this latest trend against Jewry is a prophetic sign within itself and should not be dismissed with a view that we've seen all this before and this too shall pass. A clear warning should go forth. Even if they don't want Christ they need to be warned against a future perhaps not so far off. The church's growing unpopularity might well begin to be tied to the fact that this church continues to stand with Israel and Jewry when it is increasingly unpopular to do so. Meanwhile, the warning should be included along with our preaching of Christ.

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Sidewalk Oct 26, 2014

Galatians 3:28 throws a nuclear bomb into the divisive world where group identity shapes every thought.

"There is no longer Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female but you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Seems to me there are those who bow down before Jesus Christ and those who, facing a world full of obstacles, traditions, and a thousand arguments, do not.

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Oracio Oct 26, 2014

I completely understand and agree that we must guard against anti-Semitism. But just because some Christians or churches believe and teach that God has only one people of God made up of both Jews and Gentiles doesn't necessarily mean they are anti-Semitic.

The Word makes it clear that the wall between Jew and Gentile was broken down through the cross and that God has made one people from the two (Eph 2-3 and other scriptures make this clear). Does God have a special plan for the physical nation of Israel in the end-times? I believe so according to Romans 11. I believe it will be a massive awakening and salvation of Jews as multitudes of them receive Jesus as their Messiah like never before. But I don't believe in a future earthly millennial kingdom with an earthly temple being built where sacrifices are reinstituted for the sake of fulfilling some land promises made to Israel. As was just posted by Sidewalk I believe that in Christ there is no division. We are all one in Him. Brethren, that is not anti-Semitism, that is Bible.

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