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Emergent church..............lingo

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DEADn Nov 20, 2014


Lately I have been educating myself through some discernment ministries and have heard some talk about the Emergent church and who its leaders are and what they are doing. It sounded alot like the church I 'somewhat' attend. My wife and I both think it tends to be a cult of self esteem. Like a dumbed down version of Joel Osteen.

One of the middle youth pastors.....lady........ posted a link on twitter about what she does all day with ministry. As I read it I saw lots of 'reaching potential for God' and 'Activism' in it. This isn't really discipleship. I asked her about it and here is here response...

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the terms are synonymous. if we disciple youth, they will care about what Jesus cares about #contemplativeactivism

What do you think of this?

sermonindex Nov 20, 2014


The emergent church to me is humanism masked, it is saying God is here for men rather then we are simply here for God's glory and His purpose.

When mankind is exalted Church and the Bible just becomes something that is used "for" men and men do not get confronted with Biblical truth and change.

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DEADn Nov 20, 2014

Here is the content of the blog post but I am leaving the link and her name out of it. I only share this for the content and to ask....... is this content good or is it humanism with a Christian name around it.



I don’t think anyone means any harm when they ask youth pastors what they do.
"Like, what do you REALLY do, for a real job, you know…
during the day?”

I think people are mostly curious.

It’s funny when teenagers and kids ask this question because they genuinely want to know what you do with the other 38 hours of your work week. If two of them are spent with us, then what do you do for the rest of the time? I LOVE getting to tell them what I do. I always enjoyed days when kids would career shadow our ministry team.

They have no idea how much praying, planning, meeting, deciding, dreaming, doing, working, connecting, fixing, breaking, wishing, begging, testing, engineering, developing, collaborating, messaging, practicing, balancing, delegating, and communicating is actually being done in a day. It’s fun to watch them discover it for themselves.

- I like to show them how much math is a part of my job (budgeting, measuring).
- I like to show them how much communication is a part of my job. (messaging, emailing, leading meetings, speaking in front of groups, writing)
- I like to show them how much I use history and science to tell stories.
- I like to show them how a ministry degree really helped me and I like to show them ways I keep learning.
- I like to show them how important it is to listen and to ask for help.
- I like to show them that it’s ok go run with a wild idea and believe that you can succeed.
- I like to show them my fails and how we worked together to correct them (if we could) or heal from them (if we couldn’t).

Lately, I’ve heard this question more than I ever have. I guess people want to know.

"(name omitted), I’m so happy for you. How are things now that you don’t work every day at your church? What exactly is it you are doing now?”

Again, it’s genuine care and more curiosity.

And I love getting to share what it is that I do.

Since most of my friends are still asking. I thought I’d share what I do with you too.

I began new adventure as the justice advocate for The Church of the Nazarene four months ago.

I am proud of our denomination for doing such a brave thing. They decided to do something that hasn’t been done before. They decided to encourage their compassionate arm reach out to their youth ministry arm to strengthen discipleship and personal ministry in the body of Christ. What an amazing move on their part!

When they asked me to help. I was humbled and honored that they would affirm this role and my part in it. Since I began in ministry I grew into what I think of as signature ministry tools that grew out of passions for contemplative/ spiritual formation, justice advocacy, and sustainable youth ministry.

Today, I get to use all of these tools together to do something incredibly significant in the life of the Church”“work to engage teenagers in compassionate living. I love Jesus, get to be a wife and a mother, while serving the global church to build the church. It still seems too good to be true.
My focus is building the Church and helping young people reach their potential in Jesus.
So what does this look like at my desk and in my travels? What am I doing now?

(my sister is still asking so don’t feel bad if you’re still asking too)

Here are some of the specifics of what my ministry looks like today.

1. My job is to build partnerships with local churches and youth ministries around issues of global poverty and justice. This includes churches in every region of the world. My goals are not U.S. centric- they are globally focused. I serve the global mission of the church to build the church through people who are loved, knit together, and motivated by the love of Christ.
2. I am focusing on developing educational resources, training, and events rooted in contemplative activism. I get to work with an incredible team of people at Nazarene Compassionate Ministries and Nazarene Youth International. The expertise and passion flowing from the leaders I’m meeting is amazing. I’m honored to get to walk beside and learn from them. You’ll be the first to know when we are ready to get these resources into your hands”“ I’m 99.9% sure you’ll have some really good stuff in your inbox mid-summer 2015! (Holla!)
3. I continue speaking as a way to educate and engage youth in issues surrounding global poverty, as well as promoting discipleship in the Church of the Nazarene and in the Church at large.
4. I work together with partnering organizations. Friendships are holy collaborations that extend our abilities to love the world and the people in it. I believe that the church and the family go together”“that Christian spirituality and compassionate living can happen at any stage of life and that we should pay attention to how we can work together and how we can support each other.
5. I dedicate time to learning more and speaking more about middle school ministry, crisis care, spiritual formation, justice advocacy, life-span development, relational reconciliation, writing, and sustainable youth ministry. It’s the stuff that’s in my bones. I can’t get it out. It’s why I really love working with Orange”“they encourage us leaders to get the good stuff out and use what we find to build bridges between families and the church. Love it.
6. I also listen to a lot of podcasts while driving to the airport 1) Because there are some really good ones out there and 2) I really did want to know about the culinary history of spam (the canned meat). I’m telling you, life is too short to let valuable knowledge die on the internet.

I’m sure this list will This is my 14th year working in my dream job and every year "what I do” changes a little.

What doesn’t change is why.

My life has been changed by Jesus Christ”“the love that came from his life is worth all my life has to give.

What do you do?

Why do you do it?

If someone is wondering about it, take the time to tell them. Your story is one that others needs to hear.


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dolfan Nov 20, 2014

Emergent church has been around for at least 15 years. I belonged to a so-called seeker friendly church for about 8 years, served as an elder there. When we arrived, biblical orthodoxy was taught. We lost sight while we gained "vision". We replaced God with really cool reinventions of self. It was not worth wasting the righteous vomit that would have been spewed on Laodicea. We did not consider ourselves emergent, but we tiptoed up to the edge of that and giggled excitedly. I thank God that He brought, at least my wife and me, to our senses. We left--we were invited to leave--when we were no longer aboard with cool church. We quietly limped off wounded. But, when your whole existence is an empty shell of Christian talk and trendy doodads, you get wounded. The wounds are what save you. They snap you to alertness.

Run for your life, as Carter Conlon has said.

Even Pentecostal churches are subject to the same powerlessness in a different wrapping. We relegate Pentecost to a worship form and recoil at open holiness. Same thing, maybe even more dangerous because it refuses to give up the language of Pentecostal power while abandoning it for "liberty" and "passion" in "worship." A new marketing-driven meaning for Pentecost has been subtly foisted on the dwindling number of people who live wholly for God and His glory. Sometimes I think we would be free above all we imagined if we just laid down our music and our "praise and worship" fetish and all crawled on our knees into the sanctuary.

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