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Reconciling two Gospel passages

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dolfan Apr 13, 2015

Hey guys,

I am working on something and am not finding an answer to a nagging question.

In Matthew 21, Jesus is teaching in the temple.. He doesn't leave the temple -- explicitly -- until the beginning of ch. 24.

In Luke 13, and at the end of Matthew 23, are accounts of Jesus lamenting about Jerusalem's refusal to heed Him, its killing of prophets, etc.

I am trying to learn whether these laments occurred on two different occasions --and I think they did -- or if one of the Gospel writers place the lamentation simply in a different time than when it actually occurred OR, put a better way if one of them just failed to place it in a particular time at all. I do not see how to read Matthew any other way than as a chronology right there. And, Luke was explicitly setting forth an "orderly account" although he is not strictly chronological.

So:

1. Was Jesus in the temple at the end of Matthew 23? How do you know?
2. Did Jesus lament Jerusalem twice (Mt 23 and Lk 13) with substantially the same statement? How do you know?
3. If 2 is no, which one (if either), Luke or Matthew, links the lamentation remarks to a particular moment in Jesus' life? How do you know?

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TMK Apr 14, 2015

I think the two statements are too similar to not have been the same statement.

For what it's worth, Matthew Henry says:

"His lamentation for Jerusalem, and his denunciation of wrath against that city, Luke 13:34, 35. This we had Matt. 23:37-39. Perhaps this was not said now in Galilee, but the evangelist, not designing to bring it in in its proper place, inserts it here, upon occasion of Christ’s mentioning his being put to death at Jerusalem."

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dolfan Apr 14, 2015

It is worth something.

I wish it were more settled. J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton have a commentary (available on BibleStudyTools dot com) that harmonizes a chronology of Jesus' life. It has Matthew 23 as a repeat of comments of Luke 13 and dated later than Luke 13.

Clear as mud. 😄

sermonindex Apr 14, 2015

I'd strongly recommend you look into Hebrew Logic (as opposed to Greek Logic), if you already know these concepts then you might know what I'm about to say.

The Hebrews thought and taught narrative. The meaning/application was the point.

Greeks taught in systematic thinking.

Therefore, trying to refine the narrative into a precise chronology is vanity. Many have attempted but their notes are filled with glaring holes.

You won't be able to fit the square peg into the round hole. It's in the DNA of Hebrew Logic. Blessings.

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