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TMK Jul 9, 2015

This topic came up on the vaccine thread and I did not want to hijack that discussion. However this is a topic that warrants some discussion.

The issue, as plainly as I can state it, is whether it is unethical (or better, un-Christian) to make use of certain medical byproducts of abortions.

In other words, let's say a woman has an abortion. What's done is done, it's over. She has sinned horribly. However, certain byproducts, such as stem cells, have been shown to have great medical use.

If the purpose of the abortion was NOT to obtain these stem cells, is it wrong for a Christian to avail themselves of them? Obviously if a woman was paid by an unscrupulous researcher to have an abortion IN ORDER to obtain stem cells it is an entirely different matter.

If it is wrong, then how would it be different from a Christian needing a heart transplant to take one from a victim of 1st degree murder?

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proudpapa Jul 9, 2015

good topic, It does need a thread of its own.

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proudpapa Jul 9, 2015

TMK, what is your position in regards to embryonic stem cell research ?

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TMK Jul 9, 2015

I am not sure. My knee jerk reaction is that I would defintely be against it if it could be shown that the use of embryonic stem cells increases the number of abortions.

But I may be a tad inconsistent because I am not against organ transplants even though some persons are murdered for their organs.

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proudpapa Jul 10, 2015

I am not sure. My knee jerk reaction is that I would defintely be against it if it could be shown that the use of embryonic stem cells increases the number of abortions.

What is everyones thoughts about embryonic stem cells derived from Cloned Human Embryos being used for research ?

edit : for clarity

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dfella Jul 15, 2015

Was not sure where to post this, either here or in the vaccine thread. This is WAY disturbing, absolutely demonic. If anyone believes that aborted baby parts, organs, or tissue is not being sold by or to the medical industry for profit you may want to watch this.

Please proceed with caution.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/368308-a-disturbing-video-about-planned-parenthood-has-come-out-and-its-setting-the-internet-on-fire/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Crime

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AbideinHim Jul 15, 2015

Planned Parenthood's Fetal Flaw - Tony Perkins

http://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20150714/planned-parenthood-fetal

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JB1968 Jul 16, 2015

I believe if you give the devil an inch, he will take a mile.

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Sree Jul 16, 2015

According to me, unless and until it is openly advertised that they kill babies to make these medicines, we as Christians can use those medicines. We are not asked to be deductives to go looking for how each and every thing that we consume is made off. Paul advised Romans to eat the meat available in market without asking question. He did not ask them to go and investigate whether they have used it for idol worship or not. But if they advertise that the meat is special meat offered to idols then we are asked not to eat for the sake of those who sell not for ours. For us all things are clean.

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crusader Sep 2, 2015

Hi All

my original information with vaccines was because i was debating non christian groups who actually hate God and reject vaccines because of "big pharma" conspiracies. but when the aborted baby issue was raised it has brought me to a struggle in my reasoning as this was the argument in my original debates. While we where having the discussion on sermon index we had only just vaccinated our baby and a week later one of our children came home with influenza as well as an outbreak of hooping cough in his school. i know both sides of the argument and to me at this stage they both reason out equally in all areas except that ultimately our faith in our Father can protect us from disease. then we must apply the same reasoning to all medical areas. At this stage i still need to hear a deep answer from the word that covers all areas of the vaccine debate.

It is helpful hearing everyone views on the matter. the Lord had also referred me back to the verse of "food sacrificed to idols" but i haven't fully revealed the meaning for myself yet and where it will lead me

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by Sree on 2015/7/16 1:46:01
According to me, unless and until it is openly advertised that they kill babies to make these medicines, we as Christians can use those medicines. We are not asked to be deductives to go looking for how each and every thing that we consume is made off. Paul advised Romans to eat the meat available in market without asking question. He did not ask them to go and investigate whether they have used it for idol worship or not. But if they advertise that the meat is special meat offered to idols then we are asked not to eat for the sake of those who sell not for ours. For us all things are clean.

Well, today Sree they do advertise things about our water and our food so according to your logic I guess we can do something about it.

We have been told today, that our water contains fluoride and chlorine (unless you are using well water). Just as you throw away the plastic package that frozen peas come in before eating them, you can get rid of the chlorine and fluoride "package" (that safeguards the water but not your body), by using a filter. No one wants to eat the "package", right?

Chlorine is a carcinogen and chloride and fluoride lodge in your thyroid, slowly destroying it. The 3 Thyroid Bullies are Fluoride, Chloride and Bromide. your thyroid is a magnet for these. They use to put bromine in bread but had to remove it. Of these 3, Bromide is the worse bully for our thyroid. I know many Believers with Thyroid problems. It is actually an epidemic in America.

They also advertise today GMO foods and all the different chemical additives in foods are on the external label. Are we not supposed to read them?

Personally, I don't think people need to have permission to investigate their environment, their water or their food. In today's world, run by greed, it is just good wisdom. Paul, probably would have been concerned about some of the same things we are concerned about, today. Of course, you can't let it consume you and I don't think Paul would let that happen. You absolutely don't have to let concern for these things consume you. You can go to the extreme and ruin fellowship with other Believers because you refuse to partake of their meal when they invite you over. There are good measures to take, but ultimately, in all things we have to trust the Lord. No one can catch everything wrong for our health that is being done, today.