Reason and faith

This is another topic I would like some input on. Reason is the ability to explain something naturally and Atheists are very hardcore with this. Faith believes in the unseen of the things that are not seen as if they are seen. With this topic I would like poster to share something about reason was not able to provide an answer yet faith did.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. Someone gets in a bad accident to the extent that they should have been killed. Yet, they don't have a scratch on themselves. Reason will stretch to explain this. Faith knows why. Possibly an angel,

Another example, tornado hits a house and after it passes by a baby is found on a mattress in a tree without a scratch. How does that happen? Reason has no answers but faith does.

Do you know any true stories in which things like this have occurred? Please share them because I want to use them in an write up.

John

John-

Are you looking for examples that absolutely cannot be explained with rational means?

TMK

Yes, things that reason cannot answer even if it reaches hard to find an answer. It usually has to reach out in faith to explain an incident.

Any event that happened that cannot be explained by reason yet it happened. The parting of the Red Sea would be another example but I am wanting something in this modern day.

I would like poster to share something about reason was not able to provide an answer yet faith did.

Divine revelation of the Bible is the greatest example, it lies outside of the ability of the mind to discover. The mind can make deductions with this revelation after it has come by the spirit but it cannot find it by itself.

For example, that God created the heaven and the earth or that there are three Persons in the Godhead. Or how about the fact that God is love and that Jesus Christ died to save sinners? This is the knowledge of faith, not reason.

I am glad however, that God confirms these matters of faith regularly through natural experiences.

In Christ,

Brother John,

After thinking on this for a bit, a declaration by Leonard Ravenhill came to mind in which he said something like this; the greatest display of Gods power is when He takes an unholy man out of the world, makes him holy puts him back in the world and keeps him holy,... Only God can do that, there's no medicine nor method of man that could ever achieve those results.

With that being said perhaps some strong testimonies may be of help to you as they are first person experiences and not just facts/phenomenon which to the carnal mind will always be debatable.
Milton Green's testimony comes to mind as I'd imagine it a hard thing to disavow.
I realize this isn't as specific as you were asking for but it may be a profitable angle-

If you haven't heard it-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ne36EGj_Tgs

Divine revelation of the Bible is the greatest example, it lies outside of the ability of the mind to discover. The mind can make deductions with this revelation after it has come by the spirit but it cannot find it by itself.

For example, that God created the heaven and the earth or that there are three Persons in the Godhead. Or how about the fact that God is love and that Jesus Christ died to save sinners? This is the knowledge of faith, not reason.

I am glad however, that God confirms these matters of faith regularly through natural experiences.

In Christ,

While this seems fine it is not what I am looking for. I am looking for something that happened very recent and something that someone can relate to. i.e. as I mentioned earlier, a baby in the tree unharmed won't be found in the bible. A bad car wreck where no one is hurt or scratched is not found in the bible.

My personal guess if is you don't have any examples, beyond the bible, it is possible you don't know of any circumstances that apply to my question. I am looking for modern day 'miracles'.

Bro., I hope you get the feedback you are looking for. I know of an instance where my own brother was in a car wreck where the little truck he was driving flipped 3 times, he had on no seat belt, the cab of the truck was crushed in like an aluminum can, and he walked away without a scratch. People looked at the truck and wondered how he lived.

God's mercies? I hope so. God's miracle? Not so sure. I praise Him for it, yet my brother, 27 or 28 years or so later now, is as much an unregenerate sinner as the day he walked away from that wreck.

Bro., I hope you get the feedback you are looking for. I know of an instance where my own brother was in a car wreck where the little truck he was driving flipped 3 times, he had on no seat belt, the cab of the truck was crushed in like an aluminum can, and he walked away without a scratch. People looked at the truck and wondered how he lived.

God's mercies? I hope so. God's miracle? Not so sure. I praise Him for it, yet my brother, 27 or 28 years or so later now, is as much an unregenerate sinner as the day he walked away from that wreck.

It seems to me that these kinds of things happen more than we realize and yet most people pass it by as these people being lucky. Some will say there was an angel because no way a person could have survived. This is an example of the evidence. How does reason explain this?

Julius21

I agree but there are many Thomas' out there as well both Christian and non christian. Reason doesn't lead anyone to salvation but if it can be shown that there are incidents that reason cannot answer but yet faith can it can affect the Thomas' of the world. In any event I want to compile a list of events that show these things.

I found a story, from a while back, in which Hamas said 'Their God changes the paths of rockets in mid-air'. 2 things here. They acknowledge Israel's God here, Why?
rockets change in mid air. is there technology that can do this from the opposition? I doubt it and if that were to be the case then how does reason answer this question?

You don't find this in the bible but that doesn't mean it is anti bible but evidence of something in this modern day. That God is working still?

What do you think?
John

A while back there was the story of the mother and her baby in the car seat and the vehicle went upside down into the river. The driver compartment was under water and the mother was dead.

When rescue workers got to the scene they all heard a distinct voice that said "help me" and they found the baby alive in the car seat. The baby was too young to talk.

All that being said, it is hard to find examples where there are NO rational explanations.

The problem is that sometimes the rational explanations are harder to believe than the miraculous, like the idea that Jesus was walking on very shallow rock ledges that only he knew about when walking on water, or that the ark of the covenant was actually an alien device that could make manna, etc.

A true skeptic will never be convinced by the miraculous, unless, perhaps, if it happens to him and God gives him a revelation.

An atheist or skeptic will say the burden of proof is on the person claiming the miraculous. In most cases, it is not possible to prove the miraculous because there are almost always alternate non-miraculous explanations, even if they are outlandish.

TMK

Is this thread going to produce a stupid argument over reason and faith? All I am asking is for circumstances that show where reason doesn't have an answer but has to reach to faith for the answer because reason can't figure it out. If you cannot provide an example please don't post. I really don't care if a skeptic will push it away. I just want to collect some stories. How hard is this going to be??

John

http://whnt.com/2015/09/21/doctors-cant-explain-miracle-3-year-old-who-came-back-to-life-after-drowning-in-pool/

Saw this just now

John- I already gave you a good recent example- see below.

But the article that Tim just posted is an example of something can be attributed to a miracle if one is so inclined, but there are countless examples of near drownings where children (especially) are revived after having no pulse or respiration with no ill effects. I see this in my line of work very often.

You yourself said you are looking for examples that reason cannot explain.

I can give a personal example that convinced me that a miracle was in play.

When me and my siblings were young, my dad was in San Francisco on business. My mom went into the garage and stepped on a rake and the handle came up and whacked her in the eye. She developed a HUGE goose egg and black eye. She was obviously hurt and upset and we were freaking out.

Very soon after this happened, my dad called home and asked my mom what the emergency was. My mom said she did not call( she hadn't) but my dad said when he got back to the hotel from dinner they had a message for him to call home immediately as there was an emergency at home. At any rate my mom really needed to talk to my dad and he needed to reassure us at that moment so I am convinced a guardian angel was at work.