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Modern English Version (MEV) has anyone used it?

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Saints,

I was just curious if any believers have reviewed or used this bible translation. It seems it one of the only translations other then the KJV translation that uses the Textus Receptus.

"The MEV is a translation of the Textus Receptus and the Jacob ben Hayyim edition of the Masoretic Text, using the King James Version as the base manuscript."


Here is 1 Peter


1 Peter 1
Modern English Version (MEV)

Salutation
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To the refugees scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification by the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling with the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

A Living Hope
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance that does not fade away, kept in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now, if for a little while, you have had to suffer various trials, 7 in order that the genuineness of your faith, which is more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tried by fire, may be found to result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom, having not seen, you love; and in whom, though you do not see Him now, you believe and you rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory, 9 receiving as the result of your faith the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that should come to you have inquired and searched diligently, 11 seeking the events and time the Spirit of Christ, who was within them, signified when He foretold the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, concerning the things which are now reported to you by those who have preached the gospel to you through the Holy Spirit, who was sent from heaven””things into which the angels desire to look.

A Call to Holy Living
13 Therefore guard your minds, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children do not conduct yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance. 15 But as He who has called you is holy, so be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy.”[a]

17 And if you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your sojourning. 18 For you know that you were not redeemed from your vain way of life inherited from your fathers with perishable things, like silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He was foreordained before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for you. 21 Through Him you believe in God who raised Him up from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Since your souls have been purified by obedience to the truth through the Spirit unto a genuine brotherly love, love one another deeply with a pure heart, 23 for you have been born again, not from perishable seed, but imperishable, through the word of God which lives and abides forever. 24 For

"All flesh is as grass,
and all the glory of man as the flower of grass.
The grass withers, and its flower falls away,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[b]
This is the word that was preached to you.

Footnotes:

1 Peter 1:16 Lev 11:44; 19:2; 20:7.
1 Peter 1:25 Isa 40:6”“8.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Doesn't look good.
Check out some of these verse comparisons.
http://www.jesusisprecious.org/bible/mev/satanic_counterfeit.htm

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wijnand Nov 12, 2015

That website is pretty extreme (I don't know if it's your website..). They say (for example) that Billy Graham isn't saved. They are also KJV-only guys, so they don't believe any other bible is good and biblical.

With that mindset, you can find fault in every other translation. I would not use that website as my guide-line for what is genuine and what is false.

I am not judging them, but its hard to take it that serious when they write in such a judging way.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

We have been over KJV issues before so I avoid it here. The MEV is published by Charisma House. It is quoted frequently in Charisma magazine. It may be no better or worse than some other new translations. The emphasis of it by Charisma has made it suspect from day one, IMO. In terms of its reliance on the TR and Masoretic texts--ok. No issues there for me. But when it says it also relies on the KJV it begs a question of why. If KJV is a "base manuscript" for another English version, it strikes me as less of a translation than a commentary or interpretive work. We have plenty.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Try to concentrate on the scripture comparisons and don't get sidetracked by the other things. I thought the scripture comparisons were very revealing and I did not let myself get distracted by anything else. I am sure there are other websites. Spend a little time and look around.

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Lysa Nov 12, 2015


Greg, I bought a MEV and haven't found anything blatantly satanic about it. Purchase one for yourself and read it for yourself.

And about that website, the one that states the MEV is a satanic counterfeit, so just by that it is safe to know that they are a KJO website and it's safe to know that nothing that will appease them except a king jimmy, so there is a clear agenda to proves all thing not KJ.... satanic.

People fight over KJ vs anything not KJ but they completely forget that that for a minimum of 5400 years God led his people by the Holy Spirit through dreams, visions, angels, and His voice alone; EXACTLY what the KJ only people today say is fakery. Ironic, isn't it?

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

What did anyone think about the verse comparisons? Or did you miss all of that? I have put them here so we can have a discussion on them and you won't be distracted by the other stuff. Do you think we can have a conversation comparing the scriptures, or is that a lost cause? For those who have studied cults and know how the Word is twisted, some of these verses have some far reaching ramifications.

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””Romans 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””Romans 10:9, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””James 5:16, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””James 5:16, "So always tell each other the wrong things you have done. Then pray for each other. Do this so that God can heal you. Anyone who lives the way God wants can pray, and great things will happen.”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””John 20:17, "Jesus said to her, "Stop holding on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”¯”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””Romans 13:1, "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are appointed by God.”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””Romans 1:20, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””Romans 1:20, "The invisible things about Him””His eternal power and deity””have been clearly seen since the creation of the world and are understood by the things that are made, so that they are without excuse.”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””Acts 7:29, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””Acts 7:29, "Therefore since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to suppose that the Deity is like gold or silver or stone or an engraved work of art or an image of the reflection of man.”

KING JAMES BIBLE (KJB)””Colossians 2:9, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

MODERN ENGLISH VERSION (MEV)””Colossians 2:9, "For in Him lives all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

So far, 1 user. :).

Please don't go down KJV Argument Road.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Sorry, if you thought I was going down the KJV road.

I encourage everyone to compare. Think for yourself.

http://modernenglishversion.com/comparison/

In some ways SI reminds me of what is happening in Missouri with "Black Lives Matter", where certain discussions are railed against and therefore censored by a group of people.

Sad, that Christians in a forum can't discuss important issues in peace without being called names and then described in most hateful ways (and I am not just talking about Bible versions as you well know).

Love how the "agenda" card always get's pulled. Maybe, I will try that when I see discussions I don't like. Problem is, I am not built that way, and I let people work things out.

Is censorship what you really want here, because that's what you have.

Seems to me that the ones that have agendas are the ones that try to shut down discussions.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

The influence from Charisma types is clear in the James verse. I see no big problems with the Romans verse rendering. The use of deity for Godhead is likewise not concerning. The Greek theos there is simply a reference to the divine One. Or, God.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

J, no I didn't mean that at you but at all of us. The MEV says it relies on KJV but I just hope we avoid KJVO type points. Sorry for my lack of clarity bro.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

by dolfan on 2015/11/12 9:31:55

J, no I didn't mean that at you but at all of us. The MEV says it relies on KJV but I just hope we avoid KJVO type points. Sorry for my lack of clarity bro.

No problem, bro. We don't want anyone to be offended.

Let's make sure no one ever posts anything at all on SI that would in anyway offend someone. You good with that? If one person does not like what is taking place in a thread, then the loving thing to do is shut that thread down. I totally agree. Let's do this from now on. We don't want to make even one person stumble.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

Please Julius. I will just say I'm sorry and let this discussion move forward.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Are you kidding? I am out of this one.

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

Saints,

These online discussions are not for arguing back and forth and defending the rights of onesself to post what you want. We ask all believers who participate on the forums seek to be selfless, serve others, be teachable and grow together with other believers. The thread started with the desire to explore this new translation asking saints who have had prior time reading it particularly.

What is of current interest to me is that it is one of only a few translations (I am not sure which other one except the KJV) that is based off the Textus Recptus manuscript.

Here are some interesting FAQ's from their website:

Why was the MEV dedicated to Queen Elizabeth II?

The MEV was dedicated to Her Majesty Elizabeth II because it is an update of the Authorized Version, commonly known as the King James Version, which was dedicated to His Royal Highness James I.

What is the MEV?

The Modern English Version (MEV) is a modern literal translation of the Holy Bible, published by Passio.

What texts were used in the translation?

The Modern English Version is a translation of the Textus Receptus and the Jacob ben Hayyim edition of the Masoretic Text, using the King James Version as the base manuscript.

What is the purpose of the MEV?

The purpose of the MEV is to make a good translation better. Realizing the need to update the King James Version for the twenty-first century, forty-seven scholars serving as professors, or chaplains to the Armed Forces of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and to the United States Armed Forces, comprising the Committee on Bible Translation under the leadership of the senior editorial advisor Dr. Stanley M. Horton and the chief editor Dr. James F. Linzey, have joined forces to produce a more updated edition of the King James Version called the Modern English Version, which is based on a modern English vernacular.

What is the philosophical foundation of the MEV?

The Committee on Bible Translation adhered to the principle of formal equivalence, the meaning of which is to be as literal as proper English syntax and grammar will allow.

How is the MEV more modern than the KJV and other KJV updates?

At times it is impossible to translate every word or thought from Greek into English with a proper syntax or a modern English vernacular. In such instances it is important to realize certain words may go untranslated. For example, the Semitism in Matthew 11:4 transliterated as, "kai apokritheis Ho Iesous eipen autois,” but translated in the King James Version as "Jesus answered and said unto them,” is not an effective rendition in the modern English vernacular due to the redundant speech, nor is it translated literally in the King James Version. So, to translate the Greek into the modern English vernacular, the phrase is translated as "Jesus answered them.” Even the original translators of the King James Version did not translate the Greek "kai,” usually translated as "and,” nor did they translate the term "Ho,” meaning "the,” nor did they translate "apokritheis” literally as "answering.” Their goal was to use proper English syntax in the modern English vernacular of their day.

How else does the MEV differ from the KJV or KJV updates?

Since by leaving certain terms untranslated in this update, it may appear that a Greek text other than the Textus Receptus was used. Such is not the case. A different English rendering is being used to retranslate the Textus Receptus while updating the King James Version manuscript.

When using the Textus Receptus as the base text for a contemporary English translation, the translators cannot use archaic, non-standard, purely literalistic English, nor fail to use what is known today about linguistics and ancient literary and cultural understandings in contemporary English translations.

What are some of the commonalities the MEV shares with the KJV?

The KJV and the MEV used current research about linguistics and ancient literary and cultural understandings in contemporary English translations. Both used the Textus Receptus and the Jacob ben Hayyim edition of the Masoretic Text and are based on the formal equivalence philosophy.

What is the target audience of the MEV?

The Modern English Version is a translator’s Bible for missions work and to provide the Word of God to all English-speaking people throughout the world.

When did work begin and end on the MEV?

The translators began their work on June 2, 2005; they completed the New Testament on October 25, 2011, and the Old Testament on May 28, 2014.

What is the ecclesiastical background of the Committee on Bible Translation?

The Committee on Bible Translation, an ecumenical council of forty-seven American and English translators, being in great Christian unity and cooperation, who have a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ and who have formed an ecumenical translation committee, represent churches such as the Baptist Union of Great Britain, Charismatic Episcopal Church, Central Church of the Nazarene, Church of Christ, Church of England, Church of God, Elim Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Free Methodist Church of North America, General Council of the Assemblies of God, International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, Methodist Church of Great Britain, Methodist Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church of America, Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, Southern Baptist Convention, United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, and the United Reformed Church. The translators represent a cross section of the English-speaking Church.

What is the academic background of the Committee on Bible Translation?

As professors or graduates of some of the world’s leading colleges, seminaries, and universities, they represent institutions such as the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary, the College of William and Mary, Evangel University, Fuller Theological Seminary, Geneva College, Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, Harvard University, Hebrew Union College, Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, Oklahoma Baptist University, Oral Roberts University, the Oxford Centre for Hebrew and Jewish Studies, Pentecostal Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary, Saint Leo University, the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Stanford University, the University of Notre Dame, Vanguard University of Southern California, Westminster Seminary California, Westminster Theological Seminary, and Yale University.

What was the goal of the forty-seven translators?

The translators were devoted to making a good translation better and ensuring that the Modern English Version is an accurate and responsible update of the King James Version.

What role does the MEV have in missions?

The work of translating Scripture has always been an important part of Christian missions. Due to the work of missionary Bible translators, the complete Bible is available in over four hundred languages today. Missionaries normally have not used ancient Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic texts in translation work. Instead, they usually have relied on the King James Version. In like manner, the Modern English Version is useful to continue translation work on the mission field.

What is a good verse to compare?

Compare the original Tyndale Translation with the updates of the following passage:

For when the worlde thorow wysdome knew not God in ye wysdome of God: it pleased God thorow folisshnes of preachinge to save them yt beleve (1Co 1:21, Tyndale Translation, 1534).


For after that, in the wisedom of God, the world by wisedome knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishnesse of preaching, to saue them that beleeue (1Co 1:21, KJV, 1611).


For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe (1Co 1:21, KJV, 1769).


For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe (1Co 1:21, NKJV, 1982).


For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe (1Co 1:21, MEV, 2014).

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I am so sorry for expressing my right to express my opinion. I agree that was not very selfless.

I wish you would have posted all of that in the first place. I am totally sold on it and am going to start reading that MEV, right away.

We ask all believers who participate on the forums seek to be selfless, serve others, be teachable and grow together with other believers.

Thank you for serving us.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

If another English translation needed to happen, I am glad they chose the TR/Masoretic texts to work from. I admit I'm a little confused about the statement that the KJV is a "base manuscript" or "base text", since that sounds like they're actually translating(?) from it.

It has been my own opinion for a long time that the KJV would be/could be an easier read if someone would simply take away the Elizabethan "thous", "these", "thines" and "eth" and "est" kind of things out and use modern pronouns and word endings --- and also eliminate columns and put everything into paragraph formats.

The NKJV purportedly works from the TR and Masoretic texts, too. So, I'm not sure what the MEV offers that NKJV does not as modernity goes. The NKJV is the third best selling translation among bibles sold in America, following NIV and KJV. The MEV has the feel, to me, of trying to solve a problem that does not exist.

I think at some point we must ask ourselves whether so many variant English renderings (although they are often so very, very close) is helpful. It confuses me and causes me to think "okay, this has to be about making money". Can every single publishing company be separately moved upon by the Lord to make His Word more readable? Really? Is it likely??

sermonindex Nov 12, 2015

dolfan,

I would illustrate for you why the KJV pronouns are important, but I'm not supposed to talk about it. So, google is your friend and you can ask anything you want.

On a human plane it is about making money (hope that does not offend anyone), but there is more to it behind the scenes and in an effort to keep this an offensive free environment, you will have to google that, too.

Have a great day. The sun is shining and the birds are singing. Just beautiful, today.

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dolfan Nov 12, 2015

Julius, I am sure we have zero dofference on the need for the MEV.

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TrueWitness Nov 13, 2015

There is a good English Translation of the New Testament using the Byzantine family of manuscripts from which we get the Textus Receptus. These are also known as the "Received Text" or the "Majority Text". Anyway, I like it a lot. They call this translation, the EMTV New Testament. EMTV stands for English Majority Text Version. You can find it on Amazon here:

http://www.amazon.com/EMTV-NEW-TESTAMENT-Paul-Esposito/dp/1482583623/

If you want to read this version online you can go to the translator's website and do so:

http://www.majoritytext.com/

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