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What If Jesus Had Been Born 2,000 Years Later in the American Police State?

sermonindex Dec 26, 2015

"Two thousand years later … the memory of the revolutionary zealot who walked across Galilee gathering an army of disciples with the goal of establishing the Kingdom of God on earth, the magnetic preacher who defied the authority of the Temple priesthood in Jerusalem, the radical Jewish nationalist who challenged the Roman occupation and lost, has been almost completely lost to history.” ”• Reza Aslan, religious scholar

The Christmas narrative of a baby born in a manger is a familiar one.

The Roman Empire, a police state in its own right, had ordered that a census be conducted. Joseph and his pregnant wife Mary traveled to the little town of Bethlehem so that they could be counted. There being no room for the couple at any of the inns, they stayed in a stable, where Mary gave birth to a baby boy. That boy, Jesus, would grow up to undermine the political and religious establishment of his day and was eventually crucified as a warning to others not to challenge the powers-that-be.

But what if Jesus, the revered preacher, teacher, radical and prophet, had been born 2,000 years later? How would Jesus’ life have been different had he be born and raised in the American police state?

Consider the following if you will.

Had Jesus been born in the year 2015…

Rather than traveling to Bethlehem for a census, Jesus’ parents would have been mailed a 28-page American Community Survey, a mandatory government questionnaire documenting their habits, household inhabitants, work schedule, and even how many toilets were in their home, etc. The penalty for not responding to this invasive survey would have resulted in a fine of $5,000.

Instead of being born in a manger, Jesus might have been born at home. Rather than wise men and shepherds bringing gifts, however, the baby’s parents might have been forced to ward off visits from state social workers intent on prosecuting them for the home birth. One couple in Washington had all three of their children removed after social services objected to the two youngest being birthed in an unassisted home delivery.

Had Jesus been born in a hospital, his blood and DNA would have been taken and entered into a government biobank without his parents’ knowledge or consent. While most states require newborn screening, a growing number are indefinitely holding onto that genetic material long-term for research, analysis and purposes yet to be disclosed.

Then again, had his parents been undocumented immigrants, they and the newborn baby might have been shuffled to a profit-driven, private detention center for illegals. There’s quite a lot of money to be made from imprisoning immigrants, especially when taxpayers are footing the bill.

Once in school, Jesus would have been drilled in lessons of compliance and obedience to government authorities, all the while learning little about his own rights. And if he dared to challenge school officials, he might have found himself suspended under a school zero tolerance policy that punishes minor infractions (such as doodling or talking in class) as harshly as more serious offenses (such as bringing a weapon to class).

According to scripture, Jesus, at the age of twelve, wandered the temple courts in Jerusalem alone and unsupervised. Today, had Jesus disappeared for a few hours let alone days, his parents would have been handcuffed, arrested and jailed for parental negligence. Parents across the country have been arrested for far less "offenses” such as allowing their children to walk to the park unaccompanied and play in their front yard alone.

Rather than disappearing from the history books from his early teenaged years to adulthood, Jesus’ movements and personal data””including his biometrics””would have been documented, tracked, monitored and filed by governmental agencies and corporations such as Google and Microsoft. Incredibly, 95 percent of school districts share their student records with outside companies contracted to manage the data.

If Jesus were to ever make contact with the likes of John the Baptist, he would have been flagged for surveillance because of his association with a prominent activist, peaceful or otherwise. Since 9/11, the FBI has actively carried out surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations on a broad range of activist groups, from animal rights groups to poverty relief and anti-war organizations.

Rather than being permitted to live as an itinerant preacher, Jesus might have found himself threatened with arrest for daring to live off the grid or sleeping outside. In fact, the number of cities that have resorted to criminalizing homelessness by enacting bans on camping, sleeping in vehicles, loitering and begging in public has doubled in recent years.

Had his travels taken him from community to community, Jesus might have been reported to government officials as "suspicious” under the Department of Homeland Security’s "See Something, Say Something” programs. Many states, including New York, are providing individuals with phone apps that allow them to take photos of suspicious activity and report them to their state Intelligence Center, where they are reviewed and forwarded to law-enforcement agencies.

Perceived as a dissident and a potential threat to the government’s power, Jesus might have had government spies planted among his followers in order to monitor his activities, report on his movements, and entrap him into breaking the law.

Jesus’ anti-government views would certainly have resulted in him being labeled a domestic extremist. Law enforcement agencies are being trained to recognize signs of anti-government extremism during interactions with potential extremists who share a "belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”

Assuming Jesus used the internet to spread his radical message of peace and love, he might have found his blog posts infiltrated by government spies attempting to undermine his integrity, discredit him or plant incriminating information online about him. At the very least, he would have had his website hacked and his email monitored.

Had Jesus attempted to feed large crowds of people, he would have been threatened with arrest for violating various ordinances prohibiting the distribution of food without a permit. Florida officials arrested a 90-year-old man for feeding the homeless on a public beach.

Had Jesus spoken publicly about his 40 days in the desert and his conversations with the devil, he might have been labeled mentally ill and detained in a psych ward against his will for a mandatory involuntary psychiatric hold with no access to family or friends. One Virginia man was arrested, strip searched, handcuffed to a table, diagnosed as having "mental health issues,” and locked up for five days in a mental health facility against his will apparently because of his slurred speech and unsteady gait.

Without a doubt, had Jesus attempted to overturn tables in a Jewish temple and raged against the materialism of religious institutions, he would have been charged with a hate crime. Currently, 45 states and the federal government have hate crime laws on the books.

Rather than having armed guards capture Jesus in a public place, government officials would have ordered that a SWAT team carry out a raid on Jesus and his followers, complete with flash-bang grenades and military equipment. There are upwards of 80,000 such SWAT team raids carried out every year, many on unsuspecting Americans who have no defense against such government invaders, even when such raids are done in error.

Instead of being detained by Roman guards, Jesus might have been made to "disappear” into a secret government detention center where he would have been interrogated, tortured and subjected to all manner of abuses. Chicago police "disappeared” more than 7,000 people into a secret, off-the-books interrogation warehouse at Homan Square.

Charged with treason and labeled a domestic terrorist, Jesus might have been sentenced to a life-term in a private prison where he would have been forced to provide slave labor for corporations or put to death by way of the electric chair or a lethal mixture of drugs.

Either way, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, whether Jesus had been born in our modern age or his own, he still would have died at the hands of a police state.

https://goo.gl/tFA2rO

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MrBillPro Dec 26, 2015

Personally more than any of that, I would be more concerned if Jesus would have not been born at all.

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narrowpath Dec 26, 2015

Calling America a police state is quite a loaded statement. You Americans should be thankful that you enjoy much more justice and protection by the police than in most other countries of the world. They need your prayers.

Paul lived during the reign of tyrannous emperors and never raised his voice against them but advised us to pray for them.

sermonindex Dec 26, 2015

brother, I didn't even think of that......oh Lord have mercy.....we are in for such punishment for the 50 million dead babies......

sermonindex Dec 26, 2015

Here are some very brief comments from his own website:
"John W. Whitehead is an attorney and author - in the area of constitutional law and human rights.
In 1982, he established The Rutherford Institute, whose international headquarters are located in Charlottesville, Virginia. "

As i understand he is an American Citizen and therefore probably knows a lot more then we who live far away.!
But he states he is : "dedicated to the defense of civil liberties and human rights "

The only thing I don't quite understand is why he brings Christmas and Jesus into all this.
He mixes the Kingdom of God with his own goal of establishing civil liberties and human rights.

However if we would start to realise that we can expect at least very difficult times ahead then we might also realise that it is time to humble ourselves, and pray, and seek God , and turn from our wicked ways ...(2 Ch 7:14) my thoughts...

sermonindex Dec 26, 2015

by neilgin1 on 2015/12/26 17:24:44

brother, I didn't even think of that......oh Lord have mercy.....We are in for such punishment for the 50 million dead babies......

Who is "we?"

sermonindex Dec 27, 2015

The United States of America.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2015

You believe the Lord is going to punish you?

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MrBillPro Dec 27, 2015

John W. Whitehead should write his on Bible, he could call it "John's Hypothetical Bible" and see how it works out for him, I don't think it will work out like the one I'm holding, but he could give it a try.

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dolfan Dec 27, 2015

"As I made clear in my book..."

There's the reason for the theorizing. It is tempting to place Jesus into other contexts or to foist other contexts on to Jesus' arrival in Bethlehem. It is politically cheap, rhetorically pleasant to itching ears.

But, He came in the fulness of time, at the proper time and place, in the right family and circumstance. All for reasons Whitehead and others politically like and politically opposed to him are evidently willing to ignore for their own points and profits.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2015

in 2003, the Lord gave me a compilation, a Word, dealing with the hideous sin of abortion, and under His Strong Hand, I cut it together in the evening hours, weeping as I assembled the edits, and entitled this compilation "In My Mothers Womb"

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=25484

Now, to the other posters that have commented, I made that post, because I thought the article of some interest.

I did not write it, John Rutherford did, and as to my "opinion"...or what I feel about it? That is between me and the LORD, as it will be, and as it should be.

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MrBillPro Dec 27, 2015

neilgin1 ...Now, to the other posters that have commented, I made that post, because I thought the article of some interest.

That's the way I took it, you didn't write it, we're not to be held accountable for what someone else wrote, as you said, it's between you and God.

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ginnyrose Dec 27, 2015

I get the point of this article.

While some of these attacks on citizens right's are not commonplace - yet, you youngsters should remember that people are arrested today for things that were common not all that many years ago - things people did with no harm to others.

Consider:

Boys use to take pocket knives to school. And what did they do with them? Play with them; may have had a piece of wood they were carving; in any case it was a part of their attire.

If you drove a pick-up to school the likely hood of it having a gun rack was common and it may have held one. No one thought of using it to kill anyone. Guns were a part of the cargo in a truck as was a jack.

Many children were born at home. I wasn't but my husband was.

Today - depending on where you live - it is illegal to collect rain water...yet here in our neck of the woods we are still very country and do so with no fear from the sheriff.

Parents can get in trouble by the DHS for spanking their children; not allowing them to be immunized; opting out of certain treatment for illnesses the medical establishment considers essential for survival; home schooling...

And the list goes on and on and on...

Yes, how would Jesus have fared if he had been born in a big city? Not well, but if he had been born in a redneck town in MS - one that the ACLU had not discovered yet - he likely would have survived quite well!


Sandra

sermonindex Dec 27, 2015

So the point of the article is really to draw attention to the "police state" not to Jesus. You could change the name of Jesus to Christians because all of that is happening not only to Christians but to non-Christians, too.

But, this world has always had police states and the Christian has been called and equipped to "reign in life", through Christ. In Him we live and move and have our being, we are citizens of heaven and nothing in this world is capable of stealing our peace and joy unless we surrender to the god of this world. We have received (now) a Kingdom that cannot be moved because we have a King that defeated Satan and death. The Christian should never fear man nor devil. Let them do their worst. They have no power.

Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Isaiah 60:1-2
Arise, shine; for thy light is come,
and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
and gross darkness the people:
but the Lord shall arise upon thee,
and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

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TMK Dec 27, 2015

Amen J!

sermonindex Dec 28, 2015

I kind of figured a gal from MS would get it.

we haven't posted to each other in long time. I posted that up just cause I thought it interesting.

Its just something how quick this country seems to be going to hell in a handbasket, but quick, don't it?

I Praise God I live deep rural up here in the Great White North, the Upper Midwest, where the total population of the county, the size of New York City, is 20,000 souls. the problem up here is MOST of the churches are Lutheran and United Methodist, and in the three county area, not ONE church has a dedicated, Holy Ghost prayer meeting.....an intercessory prayer meeting, and Len Ravenhill has always been a mentor to me, and he said, "i wont be a member of a church that doesn't have a prayer meeting"....and I stick with that. I been going from church to church, looking, searching, talking to the pastors, gently asking, "why don't we get a prayer meeting going on a Tuesday or Thursday night, why don't you pray on that?".........and you know what most of them say in return?

"Yeh, i'll THINK about it"........and then nothing.

which is pretty disheartening, because the meeting I value above all, is the intercessory prayer meeting...its true you'll get maybe 5 to 10 saints, but its not the numbers that matter in that meeting, I always pray the Lord will bless with a weeping ministry, and just lay flat out on the floor, and pray, do business with Jesus.

country living, how I love it....and in regards to the OP, and what you wrote, remember I said there's 20,000 folks?....well I estimate each one has at the very least 5 long rifles and sidearms.......and in 35 years, I cant recall ANYBODY being shot, God forbid...or murdered, he only thing we had like that , was some poor confused and angry bachelor farmer, who got on an anti-tax thing, holed himself up in his farm and decided to take on the county Sheriff .....in the city, they would just got in their military SWAT gear, and ended him....but our Sheriff just had some of the deputies surround the place, got on the bullhorn, tried to talk some sense into him, he wasn't having any part of that, came out shooting...he had been taking some shots at the deputies, and when he came shooting, know what they did? they hit him with those bean bag rounds, and knocked him down and out.....why kill the old man?.....everybody knew him, they knew he had gone crazier than an outhouse rat.....why kill him?
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now he's in the state jail over a measly 5,000 dollar property past due tax bill.

the whole point I was making, is that even though firearms outnumber people up here, we're not like that up here....murder and mayhem.....nor does our county care whether folks save rainwater (don't have to anyway, we're the OPEC of clean drinking water, got 20% of the earths clean water in these parts) nobodies forced to get vaccines here, etc etc etc.

but its good to post to you again, my dear sister, much love in Christ, neil

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