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sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

I am a baby boomer in my mid sixties. I grew up during the duck and cover times of the fifties and sixties. For my millennial brothers and sisters these were times where we were taught that in the event of a nuclear attack by the Russians. We were to get under our school desk and cover our heads. This is what was known as duck and cover. Of course we kind of smile when we see the archival footage of school age children during that time engaging in such drills. As if that would protect one during a nuclear attack.

Growing up during the Cold War is an innocent child I never knew how perilously close we came to nuclear war during the 1960s. At that time the Russians had put missiles in Cuba. And Kennedy had ordered the blockade around Cuba. There was about two weeks in Oct. of 1962 when the world perilously came close to a nuclear war. But as a child I did not realize it in my innocence.

My uncle, volunteered for the Civil Defence, went to the meetings. He came back with Geiger counters which were to be used in the event of a nuclear attack. The funny thing was we did not have a bomb shelter.

I share this because the reality of nuclear war was real then. At least real to my aunt and uncle that raised me. But as a kid I was not thinking of such things. Let alone the state of my soul.

Now at the tender young age of 64 I see the world in a state that it was never in even during the Cold War. I see the rise of evil and the rise of darkness across the planet. And I see also the greater threat of nuclear war on the horizon.

Vladimir Putin has already indicated that he will use tactical nukes in Syria if Turkey and the Saudi Arabian coalition invade. This will probably draw the United States into a nuclear confrontation with Russia. And this could result in a nuclear exchange.

Jesus says we are not to be frightened of such things. For these things must come. But as I reflected on the posts by Neil and Jeff about visions of mushroom clouds. I am reminded that the threat of nuclear war is very close in our age.

I have respect Henry Gruver. This is a brother who is given over to serious prayer Walking. He has walked in many nations in this world praying over those countries. In the 1980s he had a vision in which Russia launched a nuclear attack on America. Also China I believe was involved in the attack. As against the backdrop of today's events. I don't think that these visions should be minimized by this dear brother.

As Jeff mentioned other saints are also having visions of America coming under nuclear attack. I cannot help but think that this is a judgment of God.

Obviously we are not to give into fear. But if anything according to 1st Peter 4:7 we are to be of sober spirit and sound judgment for the purpose of prayer. We should be praying for the American church to wake up. And to live out the reality of Jesus in their hearts. We need to be praying for an enduring church. Not in escaping church. We need to be praying for a church that will embrace the cross. And not the false teaching of a pre trib rapture. We need to be praying for a church that will endure. We need to be praying for a church that will overcome. We need to be praying for a church that will go through the fires of persecution and affliction. And emerge as if you were Bride of Christ. We need to be praying for a church that will be seeking to bring the hope of Christ to the lost.

At this point I do believe nuclear war will come in my lifetime. That being the case. I see more than ever and urgency to be about the things of Christ. Thus I praying more than ever to keep my eyes on Jesus during these times.

God grant that we all be seeking Jesus where He may be found in the dark times. And cleave as unto Him like never before.

Posted by Blaine Scogin.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Yeah, amen Blaine.

Some comments come to mind based on different parts of your post:

Interesting that among all the famous ministers who have had dreams & visions & among those I know personally who have. There have been saints who have seen Russia, China, Iran & North Korea in on it. With the recent formation of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, etc.) & the recent teaming up of Russia & Iran, & NKorea's recent tests, supposed nuclear/atomic breakthroughs, submarine, etc. I can now see how all of these could merge. Especially if you look at international/foreign news. The USA is still largely "proud" of how we act as a nation (militarily & diplomaticly) in the world, but our country's "skirt is being lifted up" in the world lately & those nations that despise us (& not without good reason in a lot cases - we export & force now not only our porn, but our policy of abortion on demand, "gay marriage", tranvestitism, letting homosexuals adopt children, etc. & tell foreign countries if they don't, we will pull funding, & we fund & support terrorist organizations while acting like we are fighting against them, etc.). Some People are tired of "the big bully", & after "the Arab spring", wonder if our top level plans are to do the same to their country & topple them like we did Mubarak/Egypt, Sadam/Iraq, Khadafi/Libya, tried/trying to Assad/Syria, etc. - there was CIA/USA involvement with plan & purpose in all of this. Putin has called this out & stated plainly Russia will not allow it anymore with their allies or on their borders without full scale nuclear war. I think he means it.). Go & watch the recent UN meeting speeches between Putin & Obama & look at what Russia has done & said from Putin to their top military commanders in the last 1-2 years. They call us "the new Nazi regime". Which maybe sounds ludicrous to us at first, but if you really look into All that we have done in recent years, & how, & ask "why?", it actually is worthy of thought. The lies at top level US govt have always been there, but it's so rampant, blatant, & downright sinful (we aided/protected the Turkish/ISIS oil line funding network in Iraq/Syria that has led to the massacring & fleeing of thousands upon thousands of Christians, yazidis, & even other Muslims!).

And yes, Christ is coming back for a bride "without spot, wrinkle, or blemish." It is my prayer that the Lord do whatever it takes in my life NOW to conform me into His image without my hindrance/obstruction, so that I am a bride who made herself ready, chaste, pure, & holy dedicated to the bridegroom.

Again my point also is not to promote fear, but sobriety. I know this is why the Lord has shown me personally these things knowing my propensity in my flesh to drift off course, & I know I am not alone in this & that He has led me to share for the same purpose for others' sake.

May the Lord lead us all to follow hard after Him with all of our heart, mind, soul & strength in these days like never before. And let us be & stay sober, alert, watchful to prayer, pure & holy, & faithful in our witness & our proclamation of the evangelistic everlasting Gospel of the Kingdom of God to everyone we can while we can, for His Glory, His Power, His Kingdom, & compel them to come in that His house may be full!

In Christ Alone,
Jeff

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Just curious...why is every evil thing done in this world by man considered judgment from God!?

I don't see that theology in the Early Church or the Church through the Dark Ages. They were brutally tortured.

Pol Pot in the "Killing Fields", was that judgment from God?

Mao Tse Tung's purge of 60 million, Stalin's purge, Hitler's decimation of humanity...America's nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...do you credit all of these to God's judgment?

Or, when Christians are tortured and killed it is just persecution but when unbelievers are tortured and killed it is judgment from God. Believers were cremated in the ovens during WWII.

Do evil men get any credit for any of this destruction? Can you see how we have some confusing theologies, today attributing so many things to "God's judgment"?

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Let me ask you a question also Julius:

When America as a nation has:
1.) Imported pornography & filth around the world
2.) Accepted & imported Gay Marriage around the world
3.) Accepted & promoted transvestitism around the world
4.) Murdered almost 70 million babies in the womb & promoted this around the world
5.) Used the military & CIA to covertly fire up the Arab spring & topple dictators all over the Middle East only to create vacuums where much worse & murderous regimes take power & oppress & slaughter the people.
6.) Backdoor protected/aided ISIS in their reign of terror in slaughter tens of thousands (notice they all are driving Hum-Vees, American trucks brought out of Houston seaports, have American military clothing/gear, etc.).
7.) Imported the "prosperity" & "self-help" "gospels" around the world
8.) Refused to call Islamic Terrorism by name, protecting Islam, while punitive discharging a military officer for having a Bible verse on her computer, taking crosses off of foreign encampment tents so as not to offend, weeding out top level military Christian officers of rank over the last several years, luring to the public about who our real enemies as a nation are, etc.
Etc., etc., etc.

Do you think America (as a whole, as a nation) is less deserving of judgement than the Roman Empire? Or Sodom & Gomorrah? Make no mistake about it: it is God's judgement coming to America. The devil can do nothing under the sovereign hand of God that doesn't "cross God's desk". And yes, having studied WW2 era Israel, the pre-Pol Pot Cambodia, etc. I have some thoughts on that too. But for now, just tell me why you think America isn't/won't come under divine judgement for the amassed quantity of her son's before heaven?

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

And FYI - And ultimately I believe it in this specific case (America) because I believe the Lord has very clearly spoken it (repeatedly & confirmedly through many of His servants, the prophets) through the Holy Spirit.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

As a rule, yes, the rain falls on the just & the unjust. But in specific particulars, yes, the Lord does as HE pleases & as is right in His eyes, & does nothing without first warning His servants, the prophets.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Jeff,

The entire world is already under judgment since the advent of Christ. Unlike the Hebrew nation of Israel, God is not preserving a physical people group today. He is not preserving a nation. He is preserving a spiritual group of people in each generation, His remnant. The people of God are lights that shine in the darkness and we are to bring the Gospel to all men.

The world is already under condemnation and will be judged and we (the Church) are being judged now so that we are not condemned with the world.

1Cor 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

The Early Church understood quite clearly that their calling was not to improve the morality or living conditions of the world, but rather to proclaim a King and a Kingdom that is diametrically opposed to this world. To love not their lives unto the death. As a Church we have lost that vision and become "earth dwellers", desiring to use Jesus Christ to improve political systems and our way of living in this world.

That is mixture and you can't mix the Gospel with politics or anything in this world that is opposed to Christ. The political systems of this world will use the Church to their own advantage and then spit you out, when you are no longer useful. The Kingdom of God and man's systems cannot co-exist. The fact that Christians want them to co-exist is very troubling and is bringing judgment on the Church, not the world. As 1 Cor 11:32 explains, we will be judged for our mixture (worldliness, sin, spiritual fornication) with the world so that we are not condemned with it.

Christians are running around fanatically talking about the world being judged when in fact the Church is being judged for their unholy alliance, and spiritual fornication with the world. The Church is misplacing the conversation, in focusing on all the bad things in the world (duh!) when they should be focusing on themselves and what God is speaking TO THEM. The world is "easy pickens", meaning it is always easy to take pot shots at the world for they will always be going the way of the flesh and we can always be engaged in fighting the world with the arm of the flesh and calling down the judgment of God on them. Sin does abound, but God wants us to know that grace will abound more if we divorce ourselves from the world and put our selves in a spiritual position to receive His grace. The Church has put themselves in a position today where they have turned away from the grace of God and become fearful of living in this fallen world, because they see their lives (lifestyle) slipping away. They are now engaged in using all of fallen man's devices to preserve their lives.

We will see revival when the Church receives the chastisement from the Lord and comes out of Babylon.

It is way past time to repent and come out of Babylon. Stop focusing on the evil in the world and start focusing on the will of God (Gospel) and the souls of men.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Julius,
I agree with at least most of what you said wholeheartedly. But again, taken to its extreme over interpretation, I can't even be on the PTA, or coach my kids soccer team, because it's worldly & it will pass away. That's overstating it. To say I "CANT VOTE" or I'm in sin compromising with Babylon is over-stating/over-interpreting these scriptures, I believe. And whether you can get your current theological paradigm around it or not, I know what the Lord has spoken & am perfectly comfortable saying that God is going to judge America in a historic fashion. Yes, the whole world stands condemned before God. I get that. We are not Israel. I get that too. But God is going to display his judgement on this land for the abominations I already listed, & at the same time being a "revival" move of God in the midst of those judgements like not seen in recent history either. I believe that. And some of it may be to awaken much of the church that is asleep/backslidden. I just know what the Lord ha clearly spoken & I am comfortable with that. Even "All His judgements are good".
God Bless,
Jeff

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Brother Jeff.

When you get some time you may want to read, "Love Not the World", by Watchman Nee. He gives a very good balanced teaching on the world and "handling" the things of the world and engaging with it.

God bless you.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

I believe I have read that years ago, or parts of it. Thanks! Again, I don't disagree about not loving the world, not trusting in man, not living as though we weren't pilgrims when we are, etc. I have an understanding of these things. How far one takes it in interpretation is the key where the rubber meets the road. Should I refuse a management promotion because this world is passing away? Should I be selling things that won't last eternally? Again, I agree with you entirely. In fact, I didn't vote for the last 8 years. This is taking the OP off its original course, but I was just questioning the gullibility/discernment/judgement of many professing believers. I gotta go away for awhile (& stay away). 😊 God Bless!

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

And I was confusing the posts/threads sorry. But as far as Nuclear War, Judgement & what the Lord has shown ME specifically: someone else's theological paradigm/interpretation may make valid points, but doesn't change what the Lord showed/spoke plainly & clearly to me. In the same way that "theologians" of Agabus' day could have stood up & quoted scripture on "just trust the Lord..." don't worry about what you will eat, etc. but in their quest for their own theological purity would have missed the prophetic Word of the Lord, to their own (& the saints in Jerusalem's) demise. Gotta go for real. Taking a break from these forums. God Bless!

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

We all believe what we want until the Lord makes it crystal clear.

The Church is being judged according to the Word of God and God's faithfulness and yet the reaction of most is to fix the world thinking that judgment will go away if they can just make the world more moral, while the reaction of a few is to repent and "come out of her".

A new round of chastisement is on its way, because the Church is failing to see it God's way. The Church is going all out now to vote in a man who will save their lifestyle.

Changing men's hearts through the Gospel is the only thing that has ever improved societies, yet that is not the reason the Gospel is preached. It is only a side effect/benefit.

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

Again, the generalized statements you are saying are broad brush & not entirely true.

If/when I go vote, it WILL NOT BE to preserve my lifestyle! It will be, among other things, TO HAVE A CHANCE through supreme Court Appointments & direct influence to STOP (or at least limit/slow) THE DAILY MURDER of babies!!!

And to protect our religious freedoms. If they go away, fine. I will not stop sharing the Gospel or Biblical truth. But should I "hope" for or "choose" persecution? No. "If they persecute you in one place, shake the dust off your feet & go to another" - Jesus to the disciples. Was Jesus telling the disciples to "maintain a persecution free lifestyle at all costs"? No. But I digress

sermonindex Mar 2, 2016

And the vision & word the Lord gave me was pretty clear to me - FYI

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TMK Mar 2, 2016

there are about 10,000 movies from the 50s onwards about nuclear war and its aftermaths. "Panic in the Year Zero" with Ray Milland was especially chilling, at least to me.

My point is that there has always always always been threats and fear of nuclear war since Russia got the bomb.

Since it hasn't happened yet, of course it is natural to say it might happen, like we have for the past 65 years.

I think we have more to fear from a small but nasty "dirty bomb" than all out nuclear annihilation. As Spock would say, that is not logical. I don't think that Russia and the USA will end life on earth as we know it over Syria or Turkey.

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passerby Mar 2, 2016

Whether nukes, EMP, hatred, or persecution, the jews, Israel, and christians are in the order of battle as prime targets of the prince of darkness.

Warnings have been sent through the ages how it will be, and how we should conduct ourselves as people of the living God. Our hearts indeed groan, but for now I would say shalom for Jerusalem and for the church, Let us be still and know that the God of Abraham is the one true God and our Rock through the Lord Jesus Christ.

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yuehan Mar 3, 2016

Jeff,

And the vision & word the Lord gave me was pretty clear to me - FYI

I haven't been keeping up with recent forum threads. Can you link me to the post where you shared this?

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dohzman Mar 3, 2016

I have no logical arguments on this topic but I do have what I believe was from the Lord by revelation. Russia probably will not directly attack the US, they will , or have already, sold ICBM type long range missiles to Iran, ultimately that is who our attackers will be, at the same time as Australia is attacked, both attacks will come from the Ocean, my best guess is a submarine initiated attack with the missiles bought from Russia. There are some conditions that will be in play. The US will be drawn into a war with North Korea as the Lord sets a hook in the jaw of America and pulls us into that war, North Korea will start the trouble by shooting a gun that China has supplied, and loaded( metaphorically speaking). So that too will be an indirect attack so to speak. We will be distracted by this and that will open us to the Iranian attack. There will be some noticeable weather conditions present before the mainland attack also, which I won't go into.

Various US agencies will have knowledge of the developments of these pieces of the puzzle: Russia selling to Iran, North Korea selling to Iran and some information on back channel communication that proves China is backing North Korea even while condemning them publically. All the while we will be helpless to do anything about it because we no longer have any walls of God s protecting grace around this country.

There is much that will happen before these though and those things will prove to be as much if not more damaging to America than a nuke on the East coast and one falling way short on the West coast.

Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

As followers of The Lord we do have a sure shelter and nothing to fear. Jesus said Jhn 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

I am convinced that in the same way the 3 Hebrew children were untouched by the fires in the book of Daniel as they walked free with The Son of God, we also can have bestowed on us that same grace and kindness from the Lord even in the middle of any attack, even if we find ourselves in the middle of a nuke at ground zero, protected and free with Jesus walking with us in the midst of the flames. What an awesome God!!!

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ginnyrose Mar 3, 2016

Blaine,

I can relate to the fear felt by your uncle and aunt during the cold war. This war was followed by the protests of radicals against our countrys' involvement in the Vietnam war. These protests included the bombing of buildings, the use of molotov cocktails, riots, sit-ins, demonstrations. Once in a while some brave historian will describe this era as a time of civil war in the USA.

But the unrest we had experience back then is fresh on the minds of people who lived through that era. The world has gotten worser since.

The book of Revelation speaks of calamities, judgments brought about because of sin all with the purpose of forcing people to rethink their relationship with God, hoping to bring them to repentance.

We are told in Romans 13:3 that "rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil". When we see they are the perpetrators of evil we pause and consider Revelation. What makes our era so much more accountable is because of widespread knowledge of the Bible and the rejection of the same.

My understanding.

Sandra

sermonindex Mar 3, 2016

Yuehan,
I believe I shared it in the midst of the now locked Donald Trump thread

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