Yo Daryl, you rule. 14G. Ravi is so cool. I was crying like a baby this morning, as he told the testimony of the young friend who went with him to Vietnam in 1971. Amazing, just pure light, and he tucks a lesson in with it. He is in the top 10 Apologetics list: In no particular order ~ Os Guiness, Dr Wilder-Smith,Dr Francis Shaeffer [have you ever heard?, I have tried typing out one book and it just tore me apart, very demanding...got to get back to it... ], Dr Clay Jones, Dr Robert Morey, David Cloud (not many like him cause of his revolutionary arguments against Calvanism...I like his historical stuff. He ties some amazing lines...Then Edward F Hill, Otis Fuller and some others I forget...the musicians of note that are major....Mark Heard [went home at 40+ ]....he studied at L'abri as did Os....One day Mark is going to be recognized for the quality of Apologetic he delivered...and the very radical Bruce Cockburn...I listened to a recent interview and he was really interesting. I think so often the musicians are underestimated. Often they churn out their conclusion in a song. I know that A W Tozer and Derek Prince had that effect on me. I wrote a talking blues and a rock song...then more recently when the valley was swamped by the sell out Gospel, I just wrote one about 'Business as Usual' ... still to be recorded... Kerry Livgren is on serious thinker as well. Did you ever read Seeds of Change? ... from day one he was reading stuff, and this was back in the late 70's, Trinity and Evolution ... this guy has really sharp teeth, metaphorically speaking...when his band got back together, after 20 years he ended up writing all the lyrics, what a turn around, and there is so much stuff hidden in those lyrics it would take a very skilful mind to unlock...the album is called, "Somewhere to Elsewhere" nuff sed. whew? Bless God!In Jesus,.A. 8-)