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sermonindex Apr 18, 2016

Dozens Of Large Earthquakes Strike As Speculation Mounts That Japan’s Southern Island May Split
By Michael Snyder, on April 17th, 2016
Over the past 48 hours, our planet has been hit by literally dozens of earthquakes of magnitude 4.0 or greater, and scientists are acknowledging that what is taking place is highly unusual. This strange shaking began toward the end of last week when the globe was struck by five major earthquakes over the space of just two days, and over the weekend the seismic activity just continued to escalate. Very early on Saturday, Japan’s southern island of Kyushu was hit by a magnitude 7.3 earthquake, and on Saturday night a magnitude 7.8 earthquake struck off Ecuador’s Pacific coast. It was the worst earthquake that Ecuador had experienced since 1979, and it was followed by at least 163 aftershocks. Unfortunately, there are indications that what we have seen so far may be just the beginning.

Because the Ecuador earthquake was bigger, it is getting most of the headlines at the moment, but the truth is that what is going on in Japan is potentially far more dangerous.

Over the past week, Japan’s southern Island of Kyushu has been rocked by a series of devastating quakes, including two major ones in less than 48 hours. The following comes from the Guardian…

A second major earthquake in less than two days has shaken Japan’s southern island of Kyushu, with at least 34 people thought to have been killed, about 1,500 injured and more feared buried after building collapses and landslides.

The 7.3 magnitude earthquake struck at about 1.30am on Saturday, waking people across the island ”“ including the thousands already in crisis centres. It caused widespread damage, with several landslides and a village evacuated over fears a dam might burst.

The mainstream media in the United States is using the term "landslides” to describe what has happened all over Kyushu, but the truth is that in many instances it would be far more accurate to say that "giant cracks” or "vast chasms” have formed. The geography of Japan’s southern island has been fundamentally transformed, and this is beginning to cause huge concerns. Here is more from the Guardian…

One major landslide tore open a mountainside in Minamiaso village in Kumamoto prefecture, destroying a key bridge that could cut off food and other relief transport to the worst-hit area.

Another landslide hit a road, collapsing a house that fell down a ravine. In another part of the village, houses were left hanging precariously at the edge of a huge hole.

I want to show you a map which comes directly from the U.S. Geological Survey. This map shows all of the earthquakes of magnitude 2.5 or greater that have hit Japan’s southern island over the past week. As you look at this map, do you see a pattern?…

Kyushu Earthquakes

The dozens of earthquakes that have hit Japan’s southern island over the past week appear to form something of a straight line that divides the island in two. Many are now speculating that geological forces are beginning to tear Kyushu in half, and if that is true, the earthquake activity that we have seen in Japan so far is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

We could potentially be talking about an event that could ultimately have far more of an impact on Japan than the tsunami of 2011. By the time it is all said and done, entire cities could be wiped off the map and millions upon millions of Japanese citizens could be displaced.

Already, the seismic activity that has rocked Kyushu is having quite an impact on the Japanese economy…

Earlier today Toyota was one of many Japanese companies to announce that it will suspend most car production across Japan as a result of critical supply chain disruptions caused by the recent destructive earthquake and numerous aftershocks. All of the major assembly lines will be shut down across its four directly-run plants, and Toyota will be halting production in stages at other group companies as well.

According to the Nikkei Asian Review, most of the Toyota group in Japan will be effectively shut down through at least the end of this upcoming week, with a production loss of as many as 50,000 vehicles, including brands such as Prius, Lexus, and Land Cruiser.

Our planet resembles something of a giant cracked egg, and the enormous tectonic plates that we are all living on are constantly in motion. So if Japan’s southern island is in the process of slowly splitting in half, that shouldn’t exactly be a surprise. After all, scientists assure us that Los Angeles and San Francisco will be directly next to one another someday.

And it isn’t just Japan that we need to be concerned about. All along the "Ring of Fire”, seismic activity is increasing, and this has many of the experts completely puzzled. The following comes from an excellent piece by Alvin Conway…

This has continued to baffle many of the world’s leading geologists, who still attest the rise in the number of large earthquakes is merely a random natural occurrence. For instance, the number of large earthquakes doubled in 2014. However, here’s what scientists had to say about it: "If you think there have been more earthquakes than usual this year, you’re right. A new study finds there were more than twice as many big earthquakes in the first quarter of 2014 as compared with the average since 1979.

"We have recently experienced a period that has had one of the highest rates of great earthquakes ever recorded,” said lead study author Tom Parsons, a research geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) in Menlo Park, California.

If you are familiar with my work, then you already know that I believe that we have entered a period of time during which we will see seismic activity on a scale that none of us have ever experienced before.

This great shaking will combine with other factors such as financial collapse, geopolitical instability and civil unrest to produce what many have described as a "perfect storm”. Life as we know it is in the process of fundamentally changing, and right now we are only in the very early chapters of this change.

Unfortunately, most people are ignoring the warnings and will continue to ignore them until it is far too late.


sermonindex Apr 18, 2016

Hardly doubt this is "normal earthquake" activity bro. As I keep saying. God is speaking in the shaking. The question is are we listening?

Let us look up. Our Redemption is drawing nigh.

Brother Blaine

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TMK Apr 18, 2016

Like I said on the other "shaking"thread there have been other periods of abnormal earthquake activity.

Let's consider the New Madrid quakes in the early 1800s (four of 7.0 magnitude or greater in a few months time). These changed river courses they were so powerful. Let's consider further that these happened today, with exponentially increased population and structures in the area of these quakes. There would be huge loss of life and inestimable property damage.

Now let's admit that if they happened today Mr. Snyder would be saying that its a sign of the end.

But it DIDN'T happen today. It happened over 200 years ago.

So my question is simply this: Why must we assume that these recent earthquakes are a sign of the end, when similar things and much worse have happened many times years and years ago?

Unless we are willing to say that EVERY earthquake since the ascension is a "birth pang" I don't see how we can definitively say that these recent ones are.

God knows that we observe regular seismic activity on the earth. So don't you think he would make it exceedingly clear if he is doing something as a sign? A couple of earthquakes in a few days time is really not terribly abnormal. There is no reason for the world to see it as terribly abnormal. In fact a seismologist quoted in the article said it is still a normal variation.

I hate to seem to be the only one who tries to see things reasonably. I am not against the second coming- good grief no. But I think we are so much wanting to see the return of Jesus that we are willing to try to create signs where no sign is intended. We live in a big world where the earth shakes from time to time.

If God intends a sign, don't you think it will be undeniable?

sermonindex Apr 18, 2016

Is this the "shaking" that Hebrews is talking about?

Hebrews 12:25-28
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

TMK,
And again, I asked you what's undeniable & you aren't really sure. I don't doubt the thing from 200 years ago, but birth pangs work that way. One, then one larger, then one closer together, then larger ones & closer together, and on and on until the baby comes forth. I have read a lot from seismologists & they are the ones that would know what's abnormal & they seem to concur that what is going on now is abnormal (& they're the experts in that field, not me - and I don't think anyone else here is a seismologist, geologist or volcanologist, are they?). Again, I think some people can make "anything out of nothing" & likewise others can "turn anything into nothing" through "normalcy bias". But I guess it is what it is, eh? 😊

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Julius,
Actually, the initial discussion was on Matthew 24, where Jesus spoke of "earthquakes" and it Was in the context with famines, pestilences, etc., birth pangs, the Day of the Lord, etc. Not Hebrews.
God Bless,
Jeff

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

My mistake, Jeff. I meant to post that in the "shaking" thread.

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TMK Apr 19, 2016

Quote: "I asked you what's undeniable & you aren't really sure."

Not sure why you said this- I answered twice on the "shaking" thread.

What I am sure of is that when God intends a sign it will be sure. We won't be wondering.

The seismologists say we are in a period of increased seismic activity. So if in a couple of years we are in a period of decreased activity, then what will Snyder say?

That's what upsets me. Guys who make prophetic statements never admit they are wrong. If in a couple of years seismic activity is way down, he will not say "a couple of years ago I was wrong." He will say. "we are now in the calm before the storm."

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Don't you think the spiritual signs are more reliable than the sociological and geological signs? The Holy Spirit speaks much more throughout the NT regarding the spiritual signs (iniquity abounding, love of many waxing cold, brethren betraying brethren false christs, prophets, teachers, brethren, etc, etc) of the Lord's coming.

Jesus said, "when you hear of wars and rumors of war, THESE THINGS MUST COME TO PASS BUT THE END IS NOT YET".

Right after this verse in Matthew 24, He elaborates that nations rising against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms, famines, pestilences and earthquakes are ONLY THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS, but does not tell us when the beginning of sorrows starts.

One can view history of man and recognize that the things Jesus enumerated in the "Beginning of Sorrows" text have been happening since the 1st century. So, have we been in the "Beginning of Sorrows" for the last 2,000 years?

After the Lord talked about the "Beginning of Sorrows", He says this:
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

We know that this took place in the 1st century and increasingly each century, thereafter.

Seems like the Lord is covering the entire time of man since He resurrected and will come back.


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TMK Apr 19, 2016

Great point J.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Post edited for clarity:

Julius,
God bless friend. Yes, I know "spiritual signs" are important. These can be just as "explained away" too though. "The love of many (most in the original Greek) will grow cold". Well when did that happen exactly? Or has it yet? When we will know it "finally fully manifested? But the fact is, Jesus Christ Himself spoke of great earthquakes in diverse places, famines, pestilences, signs in the heavens above & on the earth below (& the original Greek words used don't point to some atherial "hyper-allegorization" definition, but exactly what it sounds like he said). So, we can "over-spiritualize" anything, but if Jesus spoke, & recorded in scripture, these physical signs marking the end, then we can't just redefine what He said to fit our eschatological paradigm. Sure, the first century Christians had both physical earthquakes & the "spiritual signs" of Persecution, love of many growing cold, etc. But so does this generation on a much larger & much more prevelant scale. So not sure what the point of that is...unless you're alluding again to preterism? Maybe you're not, and if not forgive me, I'm just kinda used to being ready for it - 😊. If Jesus spoke of birth pangs & an increase in these physical geological signs of the earth groaning before His second coming, I take Him at His Word & believe Him & that pretty much settles it for me. I don't have to ignore one group of manifestation signs (physical) for just another (spiritual). So I'm looking for all of the specific signs Jesus spoke of, & awaiting His return, looking for the blessed Hope of His coming, longing for the day that He Himself wipes away every year, & there is no more sickness, sorrow, or death. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!
God Bless,
Jeff

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Acts 1:9-11

Then after He said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taking up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven.


Brothers did this event as recorded by Luke actually happen in actual physical space time? Luke was a meticulous historian as well as a trained physician. So I think he would deal in facts in the physical realm.. But interested to know what your thoughts are.

Just curious.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Post edited for addition at the end:

And yes, some of these things mean that "THE END IS NOT YET", but they are the beginning of sorrows, the birth pangs (contractions), that are "signs of the times". So they aren't "THE END", but the events that immediately precede the end, so they are important markers & indicators too. Obviously the actual Return of Jesus is the point & the blessed hope. It is what I am longing for, looking towards, & awaiting. When I see what look like "contractions" along the way, I do get excited, knowing it is near & could be nearer than we might think. Some may be Bracton-Hicks, but that's ok - what woman wasn't sure if her contractions late were "go time" or strong Braxton Hicks? Is she mocked & made fun of? Told she doesn't know what she's talking about so shouldn't be announcing any contractions until the baby falls out on the floor? 😊 Of course not. Even Braxton Hicks mean it's getting close to the real thing. I hate to overuse this analogy, but it's the one Jesus used in scripture (a woman in labor, birth pangs, etc.) so I figured it was a good one.

And my wife is due this month. Imagine if she shared with me she thought she was having a contraction and I said, "It should be undeniable if it's real!" Or "quit crying wolf! It's either time to have a baby or you're getting all worked up for nothing again!" Or "just shut up until you are certain. I'm going to sleep! Don't wake me unless you KNOW it's a baby coming forth!" How foolish would that attitude be? It would be unwise, proud, & not understanding at all. That's how it can come across sometimes when people point to potential signs of the times and are critiqued, criticized, & put down into oblivion under an electron microscope.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Julias writes............

"Right after this verse in Matthew 24, He elaborates that nations rising against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms, famines, pestilences and earthquakes are ONLY THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS, but does not tell us when the beginning of sorrows starts."

Of course He tells us, you just quoted Him telling us. You might not understand it Julias or it may not fit into your particular "ism," but He says that when nations rise against nations and kingdoms rise against kingdoms, this is the beginning of sorrows. So there you are, that is the beginning :)

"After the Lord talked about the "Beginning of Sorrows", He says this: Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. We know that this took place in the 1st century and increasingly each century, thereafter."

I love the way you write " We know that this took place in the 1st Century."

Who is the "we," Julias? Are you speaking for us all collectively or are you speaking of people of your " ism?"

Christians have never been hated by " all nations," for His name sake. They have been hated by this nation and that nation or this group or that group but they have never been hated by all nations this is yet to come and is certainly on the horizon. Bro Blaine could tell you that out of just over 200 nations, Christians are now persecuted in over 160 nations. This is the greatest persecution that we have seen but it is still not " all nations." This is yet to come.

I appreciate brother that you have a certain theological paradigm and everything has to be shaped to fit that view, actually all "isms," do that. They take a theological grid and place it over Scripture then bend the Scriptures to make it fit their own views.

You are entitled to your viewpoint bro Julias just as people are entitled to disagree with it. In the end agreeing to disagree when there is an impasse is a great place to be. It takes all the sophistry out of it and leaves it in the hands of the Lord. I think the more mature we become in the Lord the quicker we get to the point of realizing if a conversation is bearing fruit or not or just simply divisive. It;s a learning curve that we are all somewhere on.............bro Frank

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Julius,
God bless friend. Yes, I know "spiritual signs" are important. These can be just as "explained away" too though.

Hey there, Jeff. I am not trying to "explain anything away", just noting that Jesus and the Apostles (especially the Apostles spoke more often of spiritual signs). In fact, right off hand, I don't recall the Apostles speaking of any physical signs. I wonder why?

"The love of many (most in the original Greek) will grow cold". Well when did that happen exactly? Or has it yet?

Reading historical accounts of Christianity it seems that "the love of many waxing cold", seems to be a recurring theme during bouts of great persecution in the past and the parallel betrayal from false brethren throughout the centuries. Even in the Book of Revelation, Jesus is speaking to churches of that time whose love has become cold. Actually, neither cold nor hot, but lukewarm, which is worse.

Of course, each day that goes by, we are one day closer to the end which no one knows, exactly. We don't know the hour or the day, and Jesus said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

But the fact is, Jesus Christ Himself spoke of gray earthquakes in diverse places, famines, pestilences, signs in the heavens above & on the earth below (& the original Greek words used don't point to some atherial "hyper-allegorization" definition, but exactly what it sounds like he said).

Yeah, I am not discounting the fact that posters in this thread are talking about real earthquakes. We certainly have had some real bad ones and they do seem to be increasing. We have also had tsunami's and volcanoes, hurricanes other things. And even though Scripture does use the word "earthquake" in other places in the Bible as figurative language, I do believe in the context that Jesus was speaking, He was speaking about real, geological earthquakes. So, I am tracking with you on that and to tell you the truth the only eschatological paradigm that I have is that Jesus said, "occupy till I come" and that one day, (whether I am here or not), He will come so be ready (spiritually), now. In the meantime, He told me to "take heed that no man deceive you" and that many terrible things will happen, "but the end is not yet."

One thing he does say in referring to (approximately) when "the end will come", is that "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matt 24:14)

Sure, the first century Christians had physical earthquakes & the "spiritual signs" of Persecution, love of many growing cold, etc. But so does this generation on a much larger & much more prevalent scale. So not sure what the point of that is...unless you're alluding again to preterism?

Of course. Like I said, every day we are one day closer to the end. To Jesus coming back and the heavens and the earth being dissolved (2 Pet 3:10). I'm not a Preterist so I don't know what relevance that has.

I am just saying that today we see more of these geological signs than presumably, ever before. So, does that mean these are the days, or will there be even worse days 40 years from now where these geological upheavals are even worse than today? Who is the expert that says in our day, these signs are the worst they have ever been and they won't get any more terrible 20-40 years from now? Presumably, since the "earth is groaning", these signs will be worse in 40 years.

Many have tried in every generation to pin point when the Lord is coming back and to read the "signs". No one has ever been able to time the Lord's return as everyone has thought they are living in the "Last Days", and they were right, they were living in the Last Days. Scripture tells us the Last Days started after the Lord's resurrection.

Many now think the Lord is returning in 2018. Scientists predicted the worst solar storm in 150 years in 2012. And there have been a high number of recent devastating hurricanes, and the killer Tsunami in December of 2004. There have been many wars and rumors of wars over the past 100 years and China boasts a military of over 200,000,000 men. There are more nuclear threats today than ever, and the genetics nightmare is just getting started not only with our food sources but animals and humans.

So, I definitely agree that obviously things are degenerating on earth and I have not even spoken about how things are degenerating sociologically and spiritually. Things that we never would have believed would happen 20 years ago.

Do I think the end is coming soon? Yes, I do. But it could be 20 years from now or more or less. I see a lot of false belief systems being formed around eschatology and I think we must be CAREFUL not to violate the Lord's warning to set any dates, lest we end up like the 10,000 Millerites back in 1844 who gave away their possessions, quit their jobs, sold their homes, and were greatly embarrassed when the Lord didn't return in 1844. So they instead started the Seventh-Day Adventist false religion to save-face. Seventh-Day Adventism won't save you.

The Scriptures say that we should "encourage one another and so much the more as we see the day approaching".

The fact that the Lord has not come, shows my how great His patience, mercy and compassion are. I think we can all take advantage of this "extra" time we have to make sure our lamps are full of oil and that we are adhering to Jude 1:22-23.

And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. (Jude 1:22-23)

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Hey Julius,
A few things in response:

1.) The apostles didn't mention physical signs because Jesus had set out those end time prophecies & it wasn't for their day immediately, so why would they mention it? Jesus already had.


2.) kinda Funny you should mention Acts 1:7, where Jesus says, "it's not for you to know the times or seasons my Father has set" because IN CONTEXT, that's Jesus answering the apostles on "when will the kingdom be restored to Israel". You may reinterpret that to fit your belief (I take it all at face value), but it certainly had NOTHING to do with physical signs or the like, but when the kingdom would be restored to Israel.

3.) I have never set a date. Ever. I do believe some of the recent things in the past year or so were significant prophetically, but I have never set a date. And furthermore, Jesus said "no man knows The DAY nor the HOUR", but he rebuked the Pharisees for "NOT DISCERNING THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES." So while we can't pinpoint a date, we can see the big picture of the signs in prophecy.

4.) When someone mentions potential signs of the times & immediatey the Millerites, Harold Camping, David Koresh, or some other false cults are thrown out there in their face, it's disheartening & disingenuous. You may not mean it that way, but counterfeits don't nullify what is genuine, but actually confirm it (that's why counterfeiters counterfeit 100's cause the real ones have real, substantial value). And the devil, the "counterfeiter" (deceiver), knows this.
Anyways, God Bless!
Jeff

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Hi Jeff,

Thanks I appreciate your response. I am not ascribing to any "ism", just trying to understand the Word. I have seen good Christians deceived through the years and you do know that Jesus and Paul and the other apostles warned true Christians about deception all the time. Who is to say that many of the Millerites were not true believers?

So many have been deceived. I wonder how many of them were sincere believers?
https://www.raptureready.com/rr-date-setters.html

A lot of mainstream Christian leaders have built end-times ministries such as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, and others. Sorry, I don't keep up with the newer ones.

One thing we do agree on is that today, we are one day closer.

Hallelujah! Our redemption is drawing nigh!

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Julius,
Thanks. I am not 100% sure anyone necessarily has ALL of the exact specific details figured out completely without any wrong understanding on anything (we all see in part & even prophesy in part as looking through a glass dimly - 1 Corinthians 13)? Maybe? I'm not certain. That's not an excuse to disregard the whole conversation, but an observation that we all may be wrong on some things in some areas.

But, IN CONTEXT, the warnings in scripture concerning, "beware that no man deceives you" is immediately followed with "many will come in my name claiming to be the Christ & deceive many". This has to do without a totally false antichrist religious teaching, not a potential misunderstanding of some eschatological/prophetic passage.

Or statements concerning false teachers & false prophets speaks of the bad fruit they produce & certain things that mark them (covetousness, fleecing the flock, murderous & adulterous hearts manifesting in their behavior, etc.). These passages aren't talking about someone not having their "eschatological chart" just right on every point. Context matters. While I disagree severely with Tim Lahaye, Hal Lindsey, & others, I don't think they are necessarily "wolves" or "false prophets/teachers" Biblically speaking. I think they were men who misunderstood certain aspects of scripture, particularly eschatology & prophecy.

When we quote verses, we can't apply them to anything & everything outside of what they were speaking to in their original context. I am sure you know this & don't intend to "insult your intelligence", but just a reminder to us all to look at the Word in context.

God Bless!
Jeff

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

Thanks, Jeff.

Have a blessed day.

sermonindex Apr 19, 2016

You too friend.
God Bless,
Jeff

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