911: The Road to Tyranny - Must see documentary

Let me start by saying that if you are prone to living in fear of Satan and what he does to try and control this world, this is not the thread for you. Please do not give yourself a reason for fear.But if you are confident that Jesus has all power in heaven and earth and can trust Him with no fear of the devil, you may want to read on.Have you been bothered by the surveillance cameras at every city stop light? Have you been noticing the freedoms that are being jeopardized in the name of fighting terror?I have recently come across a powerful documentary about the operations of the One World crowd to slowly rob Americans of their freedoms of speech and religion. I feel very betrayed by President Bush and others. Let me say that I am a very conservative, Bible believing Christian. I'm not a liberal in any way. But I think we need to see the fulfillment of what Corrie Ten Boom prophesied would happen to America. She said that America would suffer a worse holocaust than Europe did. Friend, it is happening. Our freedoms are being taken away. People really trust the government. And the people are saying almost nothing just like in Germany. With that said, here is the link to the documentary to watch and know how to pray and how to act in these last days: (follow instructions to view the video)http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htmClick on the right side bar where it says:"Go" - Watch 40 minutes of the 144 minute film(thanks to Defenders of Freedom.org)It let me view the whole thing in Real Player. This is quite a wake up call.Please keep an objective mind and try to judge the documentary by the material presented.RT

Neilgin1,You know, I am not surprised that you would write this. But it does make me sad for you. You have always been accusing and hateful toward me. Especially when I am being sincere. Even Satan doesn't bother to accuse me like you do.I think that it is quite obvious to all here that I am NOT a fearmongerer. Even when I try to make it absolutely clear as to my intentions, you try to throw it in my face. Well it won't work, sir. God knows my heart. And I am thankful that a great many more people here do too.You have written NOTHING to discount ANYTHING in the documentary. But you HAVE done all you can to discount me personally. That says it all.We cannot be ignorant of Satan's devices. It is not wrong to keep abreast of world events. It is not wrong to question what we hear. It is not wrong to question the media. In fact, any truth seeker will. Hopefully the rest of us (including myself) can keep ourselves from personal attacks and characterizations. Let's take the high road, instead of jumping at the chance of dragging a brother through the ditch as we have seen done in the above post. Neilgin1, let's be done with this right here. I think we all know how you feel. I don't have anything against you whatsoever. God is your judge, not me. Bless you.Now if someone has something to say about the documentary or make a comment on it's content, lets do that. May peace pravail. Let's be PEACEMAKERS.Much love,RT

I took a peek at the site. I'd prefer to keep my illusions - that the world is not such a bad place.I feel sorry for all the unbelievers who witness horrible stuff like is on this site. Without hope in Christ they will be filled with TERROR. Scripture prophesies this several times. However for me, gruesome things like this keep pointing me directly to God. I hear his plea. God's cry is the same as it was through the ancient prophets: "IF you repent I will heal your land, and forgive you.... andIF you don't return to me, many terrible things will happen." Before we give up, shouldn't we at least plead to God to have mercy? Shouldn't we cry out, mourn, and weep? Shouldn't we, like the prophets cry out, "Lord, we have sinned, we and our forefathers, and our people..." ?Dr. E. Orr pointed out that, historically, God sent revival BEFORE major catastrophies happened in history (ex: war). And he also pointed out that before revival happened, God's people turned to prayer. That's us!!!! In the ashes of God's judgments, I expect that there will be a lot of new life spring up - a great coming harvest. Diane

Diane,Great comments. You're right. This should drive us to the Lord. We are children of the light and should not be "in the dark" as to what is going on around us. We need to take the opportunity to show men that they can't put their trust in man and cause them to run for safety into the arms of Jesus. Bless you.Healingwaters,Hey man, thanks for your very cool attitude in discussing this. I totally hear ya. This is exactly what I was getting at in my original preface to all of this. Jesus is King of it all. He will be King during the reign of antichrist. He will have "all power". He knows how to deliver His own. So I am in total agreement there. Praise God.Here's where I would disagree with you:He allows nothing He only wills it.This statement goes against the clear teaching of Scripture. Check out 2 Pet. 3:9:"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)So here we are told that it is NOT God's will that any should perish. Yet we all know that many multitudes will indeed perish. (Rev. 21:8)Yet this supposition has even deeper ramifications. To say that God allows nothing, but every thing that happens is according to His will is to say that God wills sin. This is actually blasphemy and grave heresy. Now I don't think that you were meaning to blaspheme. But if you take the supposition out to its logical extent, we can assume no less. God forbid.It is not God's will that we sin. If it is God's will that we sin, then what basis of righteousness would He have to judge us for doing the very thing which He willed. No, this is not acceptable. Adam and Eve violated God's will for them in the Garden. Sin is a violation of God's will as expressed by His Word.If all that happens is God's will, then why do we need to "prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."(Romans 12:2)"Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is." (Ephesians 5:17)If everything was the will of God, then we wouldn't have to have wisdom to understand what it was. Everything that happened, good or bad, would be the will of God. Yet this is obviously not so.As to world events, they should never take the place of the gospel. Period. Yet we should not desire ignorance. Else how could we pray? Whether we receive information from verified reports or from the Holy Spirit, we should know how to pray.May God send a sweeping revival of repentance and the preaching of the true gospel to North America!RT

Put my big toe in this?...Karl, not to think there is an ancient version of dodge ball coming at you. But something isn't making quite sense here. Using the word 'will' may be problematic. That everything is laid out so that God might be Saviour isn't completely out of reach, but don't really find that to be the case as toward His will. Very hard to reconcile that.God's reasons for His purposes may be one of those areas that will remain off limits to our understanding, not that he has left us in the dark completely. What God knows, what He allows and what He wills seem very difficult to resolve this easily.If I am your father and I just happen to make electric cook tops for a living (A little exaggerated illustration here) and I command you not to touch it because you will get burned (Even if it's off, the principle is to put the fear in you to stay away from it). Have I created that which is inherently 'evil' or wrong because of it's possibilities? Would I therefore hope for disobedience, so that I could heal you when your hand gets burned? (Forgot to mention that "I" have an undergraduate degree in medicine).To shorten this a bit. If the Lord commanded DON'T eat of the tree, or even if it had been "DON'T cross your eyeballs or you will die". The point seems to be. "I am your creator. Fear Me. I have the power of life and death. Listen to what I say to you." From what I can gather, the Lord 'willed' nothing of the sort other than as God He gave us the ability to say no to Him (Credit to Philologos, that has stuck permanently).What the problem is in most peoples minds is that they think that evil is a flaw, and to attribute that to God as apart of God's character then God has a flaw, but He has no flaws. It depends upon how you see it. When I got the strap from my dad, that strapping was evil to me, but later on it produced fruit. And I look back at that, and say that that which I considered evil was good.Don't think evil was a 'flaw' at all but a natural reaction to the possibilities that he gave us as His creation. If all the angels and the creation had obeyed there would be no evil, how could it co-exist? Perhaps it could be said that evil 'created' itself out of the possibilities of God allowing "us" to choose this day who you will serve.Karl the problem with this (and likely my own here) is that it is full of ramifications as you are construing it, it has that robotic feel to it. Certainly it is not beyond Him and full understand His Sovereignty. The other problem with dissecting all of this is in 'time' our 'time' vs. God's 'time', it's a hunch, but "Before the foundations of the world" may not mean what you are thinking here.I don't even want to know Jesus Christ according to the flesh. I want to know Him the way He is right this moment. Paul was the same way, read what he had to say about it."Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more."If we know Christ no more after the flesh and henceforth we know Him no more, I ask, who is going to be coming in the clouds of heaven?Are we going to stick with tradition or are we going to allow the holy Ghost to have His wonderful way in us and teach us the beautiful and ugly ways of God?"though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more"Don't think this means what you are thinking here either brother. Wasn't that implying the fact that He is no longer walking about on the face of the earth, not that He will no longer have flesh and bones ...Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Besides...Act 1:11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him going into heaven." Realize as well where this could all end up going but there is again much more of scripture to contend with and am not really stating this all in the way I might prefer. Hopefully (likely) someone will come along and straighten us both out.RT and Neilgen.Hard words and yet somewhat necessary. There was much that by way of setting a tone here that rubbed many of us the wrong way RT. Will not add anymore to it, just to keep in mind that you are amongst brethren and primarily truth seeking hearts. There is a vast array of different longevity in this walk and much forbearance needed. We do not take kindly to those that come in well intentioned or not and push forth an agenda or a teaching ministry or whatever it is they have a bug about, that is to speak in general as much as to yourself. But with that perhaps there has been some understanding as the tone seems to have dropped a bit and maybe more so as you open up yourself more, more of the effect of the doctrine that you put forth often quite well. In other words, your life brother. What effect has the Lord had on your life and what can we all glean from that. We all have our quirks and soft spots and things that can get that righteous indignation up and just as well there is a great band of misfits here that are truly deserving of the name. Flaws, warts and all.I am tired, rambling here...

I am getting just a tad frustrated about something. I am having the time of my life on this site. It is a gold mine, and I want to soak in as much wonderful info as possible. There is so much, that I will never get through it all. Sometimes I feel bogged down trying to read through personal disagreements, character judging, and lengthy theological defenses where people are trying to "set another straight". I wonder if those issues can be worked out privately so as not to divert the flow of the original discussion of the thread. I think of the many who visit this site, and don't understand what the discussion is all about. Now, I have to admit that I can't point a finger at anyone without seeing that very thing within me. Not only that, I also have to take off my rose colored glasses and accept that we are all still in the sanctifying process, so alas, this site is not the ideal church, either. I see a lot of patience, mercy, and love in the SI community. Thank you. I need to grow in those areas. "Iron sharpens iron" One thing I like about this forum, is that I can be sure that where I need to have my thinking adjusted, someone will come along. ... that's enough for the interuption.... Diane

Diane am so glad you are here sharing amongst us, what a breath of fresh air you are!I am having the time of my life on this site. It is a gold mine, and I want to soak in as much wonderful info as possible. There is so much, that I will never get through it all. :-D :-D :-D Same word from my very first post "Gold mine" and even now it as if I have only tapped into a vein, it is just so far beyond expression and even imagination as to what the Lord is doing through all this. And to hear your expression... Wonderful!Sometimes I feel bogged down trying to read through personal disagreements, character judging, and lengthy theological defenses where people are trying to "set another straight". I wonder if those issues can be worked out privately so as not to divert the flow of the original discussion of the thread. Welcome to 'my' world! It is a paradox of paradox's. The numerous failed attempts at just attempting to .... 'moderate'... ugghhh, the word itself being often misunderstood and given all kinds of quirky definitions and meanings. It is primarily only a little thing I hope and thankfully, Oh you could not know how thankful this mere fool is, that by and large it is self 'moderating' by the collective effort of the hearts that meet here. There are times though....Not even as far back as a couple of months now, if that, where a sense of divisiveness and snipping and bitting and... misunderstandings. Ugly, grievous, heart wrenching. What to do? How to get 'us' back on track? What is the thrust here? What is of import? Where is the Lord in all this? What about... Him?What it seems we have found is that this is being played out in public on the one hand and to pull away and discuss things brought forth before all and withdraw into private to resolve can leave the remaining members 'out of the loop' somewhat as the replies come in and the discussions continue. An example would be where there was some abuse of the 'edit' function which is a great tool for making corrections but what was happening was some where taking out whole replies or sections in a continuing thread and as others came back to get caught up it would leave them scratching their heads and then the effort was exaggerated in trying to explain everything that was now missing, why it was done, so on and so forth. So it is often very tricky and just as well there is times of private exhortation.But just as well you are right in this:personal disagreements, character judging, and lengthy theological defenses where people are trying to "set another straight". Character judging ought not to be happening here and we all fail in this at times, I have and repent of it, apologies ought to be quick here, always at the ready. This form of communication has a lot of inherent problems in it for any number of reasons, one being that a great number of us are not exactly Rhodes scholars. Misunderstandings abound in this written form. Questions sounding like statements, motives and intents skewed. Much forbearance needed. Primarily and a little nag fest I was on there for awhile is to keep in mind the whole of those that congregate here and just as well all those 'looking in to these things', you just never know who is watching, who is reading, who may be profoundly effected by all this. There is the different nations represented, the different cultures, range of experience and knowledge, longevity, wisdom, help... That I believe is the most profound of all, a willingness to help one another even in all it's often time 'ugliness'.And nicely corresponding to Karl's earlier thought's here, the beauty and ugliness.How many times I have just flat out missed it in these small attempts to just keep the peace or keep the unity of Spirit in all this diversity. There are some here who I can only ashamedly admit to having pre-judged somewhat by what they write or how they conduct themselves and that is somewhat natural and normal to react to these things considering the amount of data you have to work with and it isn't until later that more things come forth, explanations, corrections, etc.But for the most part ironically it is through these things, through the embarrassments, falling on the face, apologies, a willingness to learn and be corrected... to consider {It's the "word" of the month'} ;-) Always open to suggestions and corrections and loving rebukes. There are some things that will always bring about much frowning and that is primarily pride in all it's guises. Conduct is another and usually the biggest problem here. Mere consideration for others, valuing them more highly than ourselves as we ought.And to RT, yes we have begun to go a bit astray of the original posting here, but not entirely. These things do grow tentacles stemming from the source of material presented. Have seen this site referenced before and conspiracy theory's are what they are, seemingly more muddiness, is it just me or is everything turning to mud?

Much forbearance neededAmen, brother. These are good words for a person like me who likes to feel that things are under "control".PBPWMGIFWMYDiane

Is. 30:28 \tHis breath is like an overflowing stream,\tWhich reaches up to the neck,\tTo sift the nations with the sieve of futility;\tAnd there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people,\tCausing them to err. Psa. 94:11 \tThe LORD knows the thoughts of man,\tThat they are futile. The Lord wants all to come to repentance. Living for this life is futile. In ChristJeff

crsschk,And to RT, yes we have begun to go a bit astray of the original posting here, but not entirely. These things do grow tentacles stemming from the source of material presented. Have seen this site referenced before and conspiracy theory's are what they are, seemingly more muddiness, is it just me or is everything turning to mud?Is this post getting muddy? I agree that it is.Could the reason be that no one has talked about actually watching the documentary, or its contents? I think, probably.This documentary is not a conspiracy theory. It is a documentary with documented materials. As to those who have thought that I may have had an agenda here, just know that I only recently (last couple weeks) have found this. Someone tipped me off to it. So this is new to me too. Bless you.To the rest of us:As soon as this war on terror started and they started demoting the bill of rights for the cause of "safety." My antenna went up pretty high. Maybe I'm the only one. But I don't swallow their whole line of war on terror. Am I the only one who realizes that eventually WE will be the ones being called terrorists? Maybe where you live it is still the Bible belt. But not here in Seattle. We have surveillance cameras on almost every stop light (sometimes three on each pole!!). We have highly anti-Christian mood in the air here. Every other religion is PC, but anything Christian is vehemently rejected with venom.The churches (including myself) helped to vote in Pres. Bush to a second term. But instead of pushing for a moral, Godly agenda, he does more and more to take away freedoms and less to protect them. Think about it.Illegal aliens are streaming across the border to the tune of millions a year. This destroys American culture and creates confusion. Just about a week ago, the border patrol was told to stand down and make fewer arests to make the Minutemen look bad. The top of that chain is Bush.People who want to take to the streets and peaceably assemble for any cause are arrested if it is during a government approved event. Not to mention, the street preacher is becoming a rare breed with no backing from the government when they get into trouble.I could go on and on. But now I realize that any guy (Bush) who says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God just couldn't be someone who is shooting straight with us. Now this information about 9-11, OK city, etc. confirms suspicions that I had during the whole thing. But I must confess that it didn't phase me because it was being dealt with by Republicans. (Whom I trusted because they were supposed to be moral)Now I must say that I agree that this shouldn't be a political forum. But politics play a role in the freedoms we have been given by our forefathers. I am afraid that we are throwing them away. The president of the USA is not the king of the USA. This government is governed BY the people. And up until now, via majority default, it is and has been governed by Christians. By the church. I think we have been terrible stewards of our responsiblity to use America to honor the covenant our forefathers made with God.I say this as a direct descendant of Roger Williams, founder of the State of Rhode Island. So this is in my blood pretty deep.Anyone can say, "Who cares about America. It's not the Kingdom of God." Now the second sentence there, I believe and preach. But the first is foolishness. We are Christians first and foremost. But I believe that God desires to use our nation as a light to the Gentiles. The freedoms we now possess and the technologies we have invented, have enabled the church to reach 'round the world with the gospel. This is indisputable fact.The problem is that as simple as it is to vote. As simple as it is to let our voice be heard, Americans are fat, lazy, and convenience oriented. The gospel has made us wealthy. Wealth has made us immoral. Immorality is both a reproach and will be the downfall of this great nation unless we repent. Now if you are reading this and think that America is evil and corrupt, you may be able to point to certain modern events and be right. But the charter of this nation (Declaration of Independence) in still based upon the "laws of nature and nature's God" and a "creator." The well thought out and (I think) anointed safeguards in the bill of rights were tailor made for the church to be able to fourish to the maximum potential in a fallen world. I know that persecution is coming. It will be an effective prod for the backslidden church too. But it is only necessary because America is backslidden. If you live in America, YOU HAVE A STAKE IN THIS NATION. What you choose to do with that is up to you. But remember, that government is placed by God. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. There's no ceasar in America. At least not yet. When you realize that it is YOUR divinely given RESPONSIBILITY to help govern this nation, it will drive you to wise action and cause you to demand that those we elect obey the government of America: THE PEOPLE.When we realize that we will be judged on the same level as a king of another country, it will change our perspective. If you were the king of a worldly temporal kingdom and a Christian at the same time (child of the King), you wouldn't say, "Who cares about my responsibility as king of this worldly kingdom. I'm just going to worry about being a Christian." If you neglected your duties, some Christian you would be! The world would MOCK your Christianity as a fraud. The poor you refused justice would stand in the day of judgement against you. Would God judge you? I think so. How could such a story end any differently.So this has DEEP theological remifications. I'm a pastor, not a politician. But I'm not afraid of politics. I have received responsibility in America BY BIRTH. And so have you, if you are an American. So I challenge everyone reading this to refrain from writing back UNTIL you have watched the documentary, listened to the material presented, and make a level headed assessment of what you hear.I don't know Alex Jones from Adam. I do know that he claims to be a Christian, and it is a strong accusation to say he is not without providing proof as has been done by one person here.I do know that what he presents must be considered. Unless we want to govern America as mindless robots. Not me. I've got to stand before God for this. Even IF preaching the gospel comes first. (And it does!)So let's hear what you think of the video. Maybe we can talk about America's covenant with God in light of the material presented. Maybe we can talk about America's need for repentence in light of this material. Maybe we can talk about our responsibility as governors of America and the church's responsibility in light of this video.There's a lot here. Let's try to tie everything into God's plan and our responsibility to pray, preach, and live.Blessings,RT

I don't desire to be a negative voice in these things, however I feel that the american medias' have used thier influences to manipulate the christian right (conservatives) for thier own purposes. I do have the full copy of the 9-11 report (video). I think it can be a very slippery slope to take these things too much to heart, they can render one useless and ineffective in thier witness of Jesus Christ. The caution here might be one of focus---the world or Jesus, rember --information can be manipulated to suit ones purpose. And we know that there are entire branches of media in place for no other purpose than to propagate mis-information under the guise of freedom. I do believe in America we will eventually lose our freedoms but I believe that's the judgement of God and can't be stopped. Anyway just don't get so caught up in this type of stuff that it harms your mission statement in Christ. Blessings to all you Bro. Daryl

Neil,Alright now we're talking. Thanks for watching it. I appreciate your review of the film. I am genuinely interested in hearing what other people think of it. Thanks for your review. You expressed what you viewed as negatives. What were some, if any, of the positives about the documentary.Below I apologized to you, for seming hateful to you. I don't wish to seem hateful to you, but I'm gonna call you on what I percieve to be YOUR hateful attitudes.And I really appreciate your apology. As to your calling me on information, bring it on. This is a forum. I can take it. No problem.But to say that my sincerely held view about the direction of this country and certain issues are informational. To call them "hateful attitudes" is wildly overstated. I'm not going to argue with you over the Minutemen. You may want the government to have all the guns. Enjoy your police sate concentration camp. I think the people need to be the ones with the guns to keep government in check. See the 2nd Amendment. I think you are the victim of spurious propoganda about the Minutemen. As to your racist comments pitting people against each other based on the color of their skin, its kind of sickening. It would be nice if everyone could look past skin color and love people based upon Godly principles.you say that these immigrants, (give me your tired huddled masses) are "destroy(ing) american culture and create confusion"?Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants. They are ILLEGAL and ALIENS. Immigrants give up their homeland, many times their language, and their culture to come to a new land. Illegal aliens wave Mexican flags, speak spanish, and refuse to blend into English speaking American culture.How are they destroying american culture? by doing the nitty griity dirt work that white boys won't do anymore?More propoganda. How are they destroying American culture? When is the last time you went into a bank to deposit a check without seeing advertisements and instructions in Spanish posted all over the bank? Consider this, Recieved Text, (and it IS a shame I can't address you as a normal human being), did you every consider that the Lord might be bringing the mission field up here to US? , via illegal immigration? That instead of spurning these latino masses that we preach the Gospel to them?Do I think we should take opportunity to preach the gospel to illegals? Yes, of course. After they get saved should we instruct them to come clean and do the Christian thing and report themselves to the INS? Yes, of course. Great strategy. Get them saved and have them repent for coming here illegally. Send them back to Mexico or wherever. And have them win their nation for the Lord.Or they could get in line and come here the LEGAL way. Your arguments are weak and easily disassembled.If you don't like calling me ReceivedText, you can call me RT. ;-) Thank for watching,RT

I do believe in America we will eventually lose our freedoms but I believe that's the judgement of God and can't be stopped. Anyway just don't get so caught up in this type of stuff that it harms your mission statement in Christ. Blessings to all you Bro. DarylJust want to say that I quite agree with you, Bro. Daryl. We can't let these things veer us from our mission to preach the word of God and call sinners to repentance. These things should not be a secret from us, though. We should know the times we live in and therefore know how to effectively act. It would be good to remind us all that if we seek to save our lives, we will lose them. But if we lose our lives for Jesus, we will find them. This documentary should not be the impetus to start digging a bomb shelter in the back yard, or moving out of the country.It should make us want to win as many souls as possible, knowing that the end is near. May all complacency cease in my life!RT