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The Bible as hate language???

sermonindex May 25, 2016

Saw an internet article that says the Bible has been declared a book of hate speech in both Sweden and Canada. Can anyone verify this? Source I saw looks to be questionable.

The political correct climate of our time would certainly suggest that the Bible will eventually be declared a book of hate language. Particularly as it relates to the LBGT and transgender groups of people. I just wonder if at present nations such as Sweden and Canada have declared the Bible to be a book of hate language. So far Google searches have been inconclusive.

Brother Blaine

sermonindex May 25, 2016

Bear,
Those are the two countries I have heard of their particular legislative bills if you will that point to that & that have already had legal cases of declaring homosexuality a damnable sin as "hate speech" (been some of that in Canada for awhile I know). I posted an article off of TruNews on the forums the other day whose original source was Reuters. I would not be too surprised about any of this as it has been and is gaining serious traction & footing for awhile.
God Bless,
Jeff

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murrcolr May 26, 2016

http://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/al-mohler/criminalizing-christianity-swedens-hate-speech-law-1277601.html

It also mentions Canada.

sermonindex May 26, 2016

I tried to discuss this with some church leaders 10 years ago...but wasn't taken seriously.
Now I have just done a bit of reading and found some interesting stuff (about the US )

1983: No LGBT hate crime statute at the state level
1984: California: Sexual orientation covered in hate crime statute

So it seems this goes back many years - we had time to wake up - probably too late now

sermonindex May 26, 2016

Brethren we're not talking right-wing fanatical conspiracies here. But we are seeing a not so subtle hostility breeding in Western Nations for those who follow Christ. Sweden, a supposed democracy, has already led the way in criminalizing quoting the Bible against homosexuality as a hate speech. I think it's safe to say that Canada will soon follow. And already the trends in our country indicate that the United States is already moving in the direction of Sweden and Canada.

The imprisoning of Mennonite pastor Ken Miller would have been unthinkable two decades ago. But now I believe he will be the first of many who will be imprisoned who speak out against the LBGT and transgender community. The LBGT has already scored victories in federal court against those who refused them service based upon religious convictions. Whereas we made poo poo or dismiss claims by the LBGT against Christian bakeries and B & B's who refuse them service based upon religious convictions this should serve as a warning of the anti-christian hostility which is developing in this nation against the followers of Jesus.

Paul Washer, in his prophetic message regarding upcoming persecution in America, said that Christians would not be arrested merely for their faith in Christ. But they would be arrested as enemies of the state. I do not think it will be that the jihadist in America who will lead the charge against the believers in Christ. But rather the LBGT and transgender community who will lead the charge against Christians.

Brethren I do not think this is something that can be stopped. But we must return to the preaching of the cross. Indeed we must return to what it means to take up our cross and deny ourselves. We must prepare ourselves for the fact that we could very well be imprisoned for speaking for the things of Christ even out of His word.

Again my brothers and sisters, simply my thoughts.

sermonindex May 26, 2016

Brethren I posted several weeks ago an article in which two sociologists were interviewed from the University of Northern Texas. These two sociologist may have been secular in their thinking. Thus there may have been no religious agenda. The two sociologists have documented the rise of Christianphobia here in America. The results of their interviews and documentation have culminated in a book. The book is entitled, Too Many Christians, Too Few Lions.

In the book interviews were made with the power elitists, those we would call the liberal humanist. This group would call themselves the Progressive Socialist Activists. No doubt this would include those of the LBGT and transgender community. Here's the disturbing thing that came out about this book. The PSA's have candidly stated that Christians who stand against a society of equality should be eliminated.

Forum did you read the above statement? A book has documented. that those believers in Christ who opposed a liberal humanistic socialistic progressive society should be put to death. This is not right-wing conspiracy. But this is the result of 2 University of Texas socialists interviewing those who are advancing a liberal humanistic agenda in this nation.

So imprisonment would be the first step of those that oppose such a society. And then execution as the final solution. Those of you who think that this is purely academic thinking should remember the history of Germany. It was the thinking of Nietzsche that gave rise to Adolf Hitler. And it was Adolf Hitler who gave rise to the final solution to the Jews. Does it is only a matter of time before we see the final solution of the Christians being martyred on a mass scale. And I believe this will be very shortly in our lifetime.

Brothers and sisters, those who are persecuted in nations such as North Korea and Eritrea understand the cross. They understand not only the benefits of the cross. But also its requirements. They understand taking up the cross will require them to die. Literally to give up their life for Christ. We are so far removed from that reality here in America. God grant that pastors will start preaching on martyrdom and suffering as is required by the Cross of Christ.

Brothers and sisters simply my thoughts.

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dolfan May 26, 2016

I repeat for emphasis Washer's observation that arrests will not be based on accusations of faithful conduct but of vile conduct. Ken Miller is in prison for faithful conduct. Most who will face what we say we see coming will, if arrested, be accused of things even WE find despicable.

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proudpapa May 26, 2016

Whom is going to be hit first, and whom already is being hit will be homeschoolers, anti vac, Biblical Chastisement etc.
We can see strong animosity not only from the world but from christians against those whom hold these views.

add: 'not only from the world but'

sermonindex May 26, 2016

PP,
That stinks cause I/we (my family) fit into every one of those "extremist" compartments! 😳

Thank God He is in control! 😊🙏🏻☝️💪🏻

God Bless,
Jeff

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dolfan May 26, 2016

I don't know. Papa you may be right. But, the longer we go, the more I think our understanding of satanic strategy is probably off a bit. We have coalesced around so many "causes" that we have depleted our discernment on what is really happening. We will see.

sermonindex May 26, 2016

" You must settle this in your mind, the one thing I want to say over and over. Do not believe, down through history you have had the wrong idea of martyrdom and persecution, you think that these men were persecuted and martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. That was the real reason, but no one heard that publicly. They were martyred and persecuted as enemies of the state, as child molesters, as bigots, as narrow-minded stupid people who had fallen for a ruse and can contribute nothing to society. Your suffering will not be noble, so your mind must be filled with the word of God when all people persecute you and turn on you and if the spirit of God and common grace falls back on you and you see your children and your grandchildren throwing in the lot that you should die. This is no game."

The above quotation may be off buy a few words. But I believe this captures almost word for word what are brother warned us about upcoming persecution of the church in America.

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proudpapa May 26, 2016

The one thing that offers me protection is community,
Localized Police and Sheriff dept. etc.

But we seem to have a grass roots movement in this country that unawaringly seems to be being steered in a direction to eliminate that protection,
By propaganding conspiracy theories of racial localized police departments and calling for a federal take over of localized Police and Sheriff dept that local protection is likely not to last forever.


sermonindex May 26, 2016

If the Federal Govt takes over local police departments then police will be transferred like military personnel are transferred. No longer will you have a local person serving you. You could have someone transferred from San Francisco serving you. Every locality has certain values and this would definitely change them at the local police level.

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proudpapa May 26, 2016

RE: ///If the Federal Govt takes over local police departments then police will be transferred like military personnel are transferred. No longer will you have a local person serving you. You could have someone transferred from San Francisco serving you. Every locality has certain values and this would definitely change them at the local police level.///

We had a governing system setup specifically to protect us from tyranny, almost genius the amount of checks and balances that where set in place. But one by one these checks and balances are strategically being removed.
How ? exactly as the early marxist taught there followers to do : by influencing the masses to murmur and complain and to rise up grass root movements begging there government to take there freedoms away from them.

In other parts of the world you have militarized police that machine gun down the crowds with no conscience what so ever.

Localized police dept and elected Sheriff dept.. are not going to go into a crowd of friends and relatives in communities such as mine and machine gun them down.


sermonindex May 26, 2016

Exactly!

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proudpapa May 26, 2016

My grandfather was a conscientious objector to ww2 My wifes grandparents where anabaptist conscientious objectors to ww2, just saying that I am not overly pro military.
But I recognize and have an appreciation that there have been many sincear Christians in the military including in very high places, that have served as a conscience and as another form of checks and balances for the military, Men that would not turn on there own people.
But that checks and balances also seems to be stratigicaly being eliminated : http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/crackdown-on-christians-triggers-exodus-from-military/

spell

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dolfan May 26, 2016

If you are charged -- not for fidelity to Jesus, not for evangelizing, not for meeting -- but for drug trafficking or human trafficking, as examples, you will know very quickly how swift the feet of local law enforcement moves in against you.

Matters not that you did not do anything. We live in an era of no return where mere allegation is volatile enough to draw fire. What happens when not only law enforcement but your family and Christian friends turn on you because of the horrific nature of mere allegations coupled with the strength of suggestion by innuendo, accompanied by easily manufactured electronic evidence of your guilt?

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