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The Kingdom of God

sermonindex Jun 6, 2016

In an other thread Elibeth shared about how God revealed her the truth about the kingdom of God. That for some reason made me happy.
There are so many verses in the bible about the kingdom of god.
It would be interesting to see your thoughts about this topic, I think it would encourage many.
Primarily I am not looking for theological debate, or something learned only by the mind, but rather what God revealed you from the scriptures.

sermonindex Jun 7, 2016

This will be an enlightening study. Looking forward to sharing at the end of the week.

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Elibeth Jun 7, 2016

Tozsu,

I really appreciate your interest in this.My interest too,for quite some yrs.
And much has flowed from this revelation.
I pray He will reveal it to others.

For me,the kingdom of God,was the most important subject that
He could have ever revealed to me.

So around this,The Word flows together.

I thank God,

I am so busy in my every day obligations,but ai look forward to this
communion.

Elizabeth

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AbideinHim Jun 7, 2016

I am looking forward to what the brothers and sisters on this forum have to say on the Kingdom of God.

After all, this is primarily what is in view from God's perspective and from the Word of God.

The Lord has commanded us to "seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness." This should be our first priority as believers that have been delivered from the Kingdom of darkness and translated into the Kingdom of God's dear Son."

Jesus in teaching His disciples how to pray said to pray"
"Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." (Matthew 6:10)

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Romans 14:17).

"strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. "We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said." (Acts 14:22).

"nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." (Luke 17:21).

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AbideinHim Jun 7, 2016

How do we know if we are seeking the Kingdom of God first both individually and those that have been called in ministry?

As believers we have been called to be disciples of Jesus, and that means that we must deny self, take up the cross, and follow the Lord. This means that Jesus Christ has to not only be savior of our lives but He must be Lord of all. The Lord must be in control, and we must surrender all to Him. The Lordship of Jesus Christ is an absolute for all that want to seek first the Kingdom of God.

For those that are called to a ministry such as a pastor of a church, those that are seeking the Kingdom of God will seek to know the will of God, and to see things through His eyes and with His viewpoint.

The ministry is not about what is in it for us, but what does the Lord want? It is not about how big of a church that we can build with a large congregation, but how much are we advancing the Kingdom of God in our locality, and even throughout the world. God is seeing the whole picture, and sometimes we can be so short sighted that we are looking at things through a microscope instead of being seated together with Christ in heavenly places, and viewing things from His perspective, seeking His heart, and bringing about His Kingdom purposes into the earth.

sermonindex Jun 7, 2016

Good question, Mike. How do we know if we are building the Kingdom of God or building our own kingdom? Even if we were initially called by God and not ourselves, what is our constant gauge that keeps us building His kingdom without falling in the ditch and starting to build our own? I have some thoughts, but would like to let others weigh in.

sermonindex Jun 7, 2016

Yes the invisible, ethereal, ghost-like, nebulous, vapor like kingdom that arrived in 70 Ad with an invible spirit being called jesus.

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dohzman Jun 7, 2016

What exactly are you saying? here? Could you please clarify your statements and place them in context?

To the rest, the Kingdom of God does not need to be built, it exists already and we are called as His ambassadors, we live by the laws that govern that kingdom here and now and we apply its principles and proclaim its message and judgements in this life. To do otherwise is to walk in darkness.

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TMK Jun 8, 2016

Here is the outline of the first of several lectures on the KOG

http://www.digitalministries.us/steve_gregg/text/kingdom_of_god-2007/1-kingdom_lectures_1-4.ppt

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

Dohzman,

You are absolutely correct! I was thinking about the church as men calling themselves into ministry or calling other men into ministry and building upon the wrong foundation.

Thank you for that correction.

1 Corinthians 3:9-15
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

Is the king of this Kingdom that Tozsu and Julius are proclaiming that they call jesus a spirit entity without bones and flesh?

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dohzman Jun 8, 2016

The resurrected Jesus Christ ate real fish and broke real bread with His disciples and not just the 11( all of whom suffered and died as martyrs for Jesus Christ and the sake of the gospel of the Resurrection from the dead). Thomas felt His hands and side where the romans thrust the spear into. His glorified body was flesh and bone but eternal. 1Ti 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mary was told to let go at the tomb, He must have had a body that she could cling to, He was able to prepare a fire and cook fish for his disciples when He called them back to their original purpose after the resurrection from the dead on the shores of Galilee where also He ate fish with them.

So you imply that you doubt His real personhood as Fully Man and Fully God IN Heaven Glorified and at the right Hand of the Father?

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

Amen to your comments dohzman!. He is the risen LORD and fully man and God. The question was posed to the other 2 who continually post otherwise. That would make them of an antichrist spirit would it not if they deny the physical, literal, bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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dohzman Jun 8, 2016

I believe that error/heresy was refuted by the Apostle John in the early church and than it surfaced again in the first century and the writings of the first century fathers talk about it, now I am going to have to dig because I forget who it was that started it, Marconian heresy??????? I forget, I'll need to dust off some of my books, maybe some others on here have that information off the top of their heads? As to the other 2 you mentioned, I don't follow the threads close enough to really know how they believe in this regard.I would hope that they in their pursuit of knowledge would seek the truth that sets man free for in Him (Christ Jesus) are found all knowledge and wisdom.

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TMK Jun 8, 2016

I believe that particular heresy is called docetism which suggests Jesus appeared human but was not flesh.

I agree with Dohzman.

What I am not clear at all on is whether those called out actually believe this.

I have previously asked for specific quotes from other threads where this has been stated but none have ever been provided.

I am not asking those accused to defend themselves unless they feel so inclined.

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

Unless a miracle has occurred these individuals will now hide for a while.
If they do return we could ask them directly as to who they believe who Jesus Christ is as to his current physical form, whether he is God in the flesh right now or just a disembodied spirit as they have stated previously.
Lot's of other related questions could be asked.
Like who was Jesus Christ when he walked the earth in his physical body. Was he God and man then? When he died on the cross what happenned to his physical body if he rose from the dead in body-less spiritual form (whatever that is)?

And if they do not hold to the truth about Jesus Christ then
why give them a platform here? This is not a small matter as 1 John 4 states this is an anti-Christ spirit.

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

by TMK on 2016/6/8 9:04:12

I believe that particular heresy is called docetism which suggests Jesus appeared human but was not flesh.

I agree with Dohzman.

What I am not clear at all on is whether those called out actually believe this.

I have previously asked for specific quotes from other threads where this has been stated but none have ever been provided.

I am not asking those accused to defend themselves unless they feel so inclined.


I am also still waiting for quotes.

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docs Jun 8, 2016

It has been previously stated that if anyone desired to receive actual quotes then all they had to do was ask for them. I asked specifically on two occasions for actual quotes to be sent to my email address and received NOTHING.

sermonindex Jun 8, 2016

Since people are being interrogated and accused publicly, the alleged quotes should be made public. I think I hear crickets.

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Sree Jun 8, 2016

To me Kingdom Of God is a place where God is the King and everything is ruled by him. To seek Kingdom of God means to seek to be under his kingship. We willingly submit our self under his rule. Under his laws. Under his authority. This is the first revelation I got on Kingdom of God.

When Jesus said Kingdom of God is near us and in us, it means in New Covenant God has come inside us to rule from inside us.

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