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sermonindex Jun 14, 2016

‘Together 2016’ Organizer Meets With ‘Pope Francis’ to Unite Christians, Catholics on National Mall

An ecumenical event featuring Hillsong United, Lecrae, Michael W. Smith, Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Francis Chan and other renown evangelical and Catholic speakers and musicians that is set to take place in Washington, D.C. is raising concerns as it seeks to draw a million attendees to "link arms” in unity, including with the Vatican.
"Together 2016” is an event to be held on July 16 at the National Mall in Washington, and seeks to unite those of various backgrounds to "stand together for Jesus.” Both Christians and Catholics alike will be featured at the prayer and worship event.

"Together 2016 is about laying aside what divides us to lift up Jesus who unites us,” organizer Nick Hall of PULSE told Christian News Network. "We are coming together in historic unity to pray for a reset for our nation.”

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A little further down in the article:

However, not everyone believes that Christians should link arms with Roman Catholics and set aside major differences that go to the heart of the gospel.

"Nick Hall either does not know the exclusivity of the gospel of God or he does not know the Roman Catholic plan of salvation because they are diametrically opposed,” Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network. Gendron is a former Roman Catholic who now teaches evangelicals how to share the gospel with Catholics.
"We’re divided on how one is born again: Rome says water baptism, the Bible says the work of the Spirit. We’re divided on how one is justified: Rome says faith plus works, the Bible says faith. We’re divided on how one is purified of sin: Rome says purgatory, the Bible says the blood of Jesus. We’re divided on the essentials of the gospel: Rome has other mediators, the Bible says it’s Christ alone,” he explained.

Gendron said that Jesus himself came to divide with truth, and prayed that His Church would be sanctified with that truth.

"It was the Lord Jesus Christ who came to divide: He divides with His word and His gospel. He divides mother against daughter, father against son””and we must remain sanctified and not united with any who are not born again,” he explained. "More than ever, we must maintain the exclusivity of the gospel of Christ. What hope does an unbelieving world have unless we maintain the purity of the gospel?”

Gendron also stated that he is concerned about the message that it will send when Christians see evangelical leaders involved with an event that validates Roman Catholicism, and therefore does not view those in the religion as a mission field.

http://christiannews.net/2016/06/10/together-2016-organizer-meets-with-pope-francis-to-unite-christians-catholics-on-national-mall/

sermonindex Jun 14, 2016

Julius,
This is very disturbing as the list contains so many who have ministered to the Body of Christ for so many years and whom God has used:

The Billy Graham evangelical association
CRU-formerly Campus Crusade for Christ
Intervarsity Christian Fellowship
National Day of Prayer
YWAM
American Bible Society
Musicians we know and love: Jeremy Camp, Michael W. Smith
Casting Crowns, Kirk Franklin and others

Particularly disturbing is Ravi Zachariahs and Josh McDowell who brought The gospel of Christ to millions across the planet.

This just shows us that even the very elect can be deceived!!!
Lord keep your servants from this ecumenical unity event on July 16.

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Julias, this breaks my heart that such darkness has descended upon the hearts of men. They are truly blinded as to where this is leading. Of course the beginning of the end was back in the 90s when they signed a pact with the like of Pat Robertson and Chuck Colsen not to proselytize Catholics. As an ex Catholic, this was a slippery slope at the time and their discernment has continued to slide down that slope. The bottom of that slope is the pit of hell.........bro Frank

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There actually is alot of organisations behind this event but I did not read of an overt desire to meld with catholics, but of course large meetings like this cater to false unity as real truth is usually not spoken but a very palatable easy message that all can agree on is expoused.

ministries joining with this event:

Abide Prayer
ASLPN
Awakening / Campus Harvest
Blue Water House of Prayer
Center for Student Missions
Clayton King Ministries
Christ Connection
Defining Destinies
Evangelism International
EFCA Reach Students
Fellowship of John 17:21
Full Life Gospel Ministries
Go Ministries International
Heart Fire Ministries
Incirlik Air Force Base
International Ministerial Fellowship
Jacobs Well Ministries
King of Glory Ministries
Leaders Cast
Love Collide
Luminous Few
Millenium Revival Center
Missionary and Servant of Yahweh
National Network of Youth Ministries
No One Underground
One JAM Nation
Project Patch
Planet Fitness
Race to Victory Ministries
Ride Nature
Sacred by Design
Speak to the World Ministries
Stand and Pray Georgia
The Boiler Room
The Salvation Army
Transformation
U.S. Prayer Center
Uprise
White Ribbon Day
Women’s Prayer International
Word Revolution
Alexander Christian Academy
Association Gospel Rescue Mission
Awakening Movement
Bryan College
Change Society
Compassion Connect
Christ Kingdom Church
Destiny of Faith Minitries
Encounter With Love Home Group
Experience Mission
First Priority Global
Gen Live ”“ Untamed
Hope & Healing Minisries Int’l
Independant Missionary Evangelist
International Prayer Council
Johnny Wilson Evangelistic Association
Kingdom Bound Festival
Liberty University
Luis Palau Association Next Generation Alliance
Macklenburg
Ministry Gifts in Action, Inc.
Luis Palau Association Next Generation Alliance
National Day of Prayer Task Force
ND Department of Evangelism-UHCA
Omega Center International
Operation Worship Tour
Prayer Network
Psalm 25 Ministries
realTalk
RISE Student Ministries
Second Chance
Spread Your Ministry
Steve Wingfield Evangelistic Association
The House Slidell
The Salvation Army ”“ Jonesboro
Transformation MI
United Body of Christ Ministry
US Navy-USS Gerald Ford
Wisdom & Life Ministries
Wounded No More
Word of Faith Global Ministries
All Angels
Atlas Rhoads
BASIC ministry inc
Catalyst
Courageous Christian Father
Circuit Riders
ChiAlpha Campus Ministry
Dream Center-Houston, TX
Ephesians 6
Faith Church Ministries
Fredericksburg Prayer Furnace
Global United Missions
God Belongs In My City
Ignite
International House of Prayer Missions Base of Kansas City
InterVarsity ”“ Indianapolis
K-Life Columbia
Kingdom Bound Ministries
Light the Fire Ministries
Luke18 Project
Men for Nations
Mission Connexion
National Network of Youth Ministries
New Life Praise Center
On the Go ”“ Keith Cook Team
One Heart DC
Primrose Hill Teen Challenge
Pulse
Refuge Ministry
Rush Conference
Seek Ye First Ministries

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proudpapa Jun 15, 2016

"Adding his name to the lineup of pomenant guest speakers and musicians is Pope Francis, who will deliver a video message addressing the crowd."

"We are humbled and honored by his involvement and are eager to share his message with the crowd that gathers at Together 2016," Hall said in a statement to The Christian Post, reacting to the announcement that the pope has added his name to the list of speakers. "That His Holiness would choose to speak into this historic day is a testament to the urgency and the need for followers of Jesus to unite in prayer for our nation and our world."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pope-francis-joins-lecrae-hillsong-historic-1-million-strong-together-2016-dc-event-164925/


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"Adding his name to the lineup of pomenant guest speakers and musicians is Pope Francis, who will deliver a video message addressing the crowd."

That obviously is a problem! And really shows how far this type of unity is from the Biblical unity of John 17 of God's true people.

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dolfan Jun 15, 2016

I love Francis Chan but I am too old for heroes.

In the past, when he has been to speak at conferences where his presence was criticized, he spoke correction and truth.

We will see. But I won't hold my breath.

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Bro Greg writes.........

"That obviously is a problem! And really shows how far this type of unity is from the Biblical unity of John 17 of God's true people."

Its the counterfeit unity, the pieces of the puzzle coming together in the formation of the great whore church that will sweep and engulf the whole world............bro Frank

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savannah Jun 15, 2016

Did anyone see any ministries from the reformed camp joining themselves with this harlot festivity?

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docs Jun 15, 2016

I'm not throwing in with the Catholic church but just sharing what I have read.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/57751-mike-bickle-meets-with-pope-to-discuss-jesus

sermonindex Jun 15, 2016

In John Rogers farewell address to his children before being burned to death under Queen Mary he warned:

Abhor that arrant whore of Rome,
And all her blasphemies,
And drink not of her cursed cup;
Obey not her decrees.


I read this for the first time in the New England Primer.

The NAR embrace of Catholicism manifested at the AzuzaNow meeting. In 2014 Ken Copeland embraced the Popes call to unity at his pastors conference. I believe the abortion issue has brought a false unity among catholics and evangelicals.

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proudpapa Jun 15, 2016

RE: ///Did anyone see any ministries from the reformed camp joining themselves with this harlot festivity? ///

"..Lacrae follows the Reformed tradition of theology and is considered inflential figure in the New Calvinist movement. He cites Tommy Nelson,John MacAthur, and John Piper, amoung others, as early influences to his Christian faith." - wikipedia

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I think I can safely say that our persecuted brother and sisters will not be at this event. They are too busy living out authetic Christianity by laying down their lives for the Lord Jesus Christ and shedding their blood for Him.

Simply my thoughts.

--- Post re-edited for Less controversy---

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HI David,

The problem with Catholicism, and that article does not change the problem in any way, is what does it mean to be born again. Catholic theologians are not opposed to that phrase, in fact I have it on my first holy communion card.( This is the card you receive when you take communion for the first time)

The wafer or the bread is actually Jesus Himself according to Catholicism. When you digest this bread, when you swallow it, you are taking "Jesus." into yourself, this is receiving Jesus and can only happen after you have been baptized into the faith. Between the two, infant baptism and first holy communion, this is what they see as entrance into the Body of Christ. Of course one has to first receive the sacrament of confession.

Now even then your not saved, because your works at the end of your life have to be weighed in the balance. If you are found wanting, then you must enter into purgatory and atone for your sins. If at any time you claim to have assurance of salvation, then an anathema is pronounced over you, you are cursed by the Catholic church. For, according to them, one must be sanctified before one can be justified.

Now that is only me scratching at the surface of this satanic counterfiet masterpiece of religion. Smoke and mirrors that leads all the way to hell. The idea of Mike Bickle questioning the Pope and being given the answers he was given would be comical if it were not so serious. Little men trying to elevate there positions by talking to a man they actually call " your holiness." How dare a saint call such a man " your holiness." Madness and blindness.............bro Frank

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docs Jun 15, 2016

I was born into and raised in Catholicism and pretty much understand the issues. I once was questioned by a Catholic lady as to why I had left Catholicism and I said I had never made a conscious decision to leave anything. I just was going with what had happened.

I never once was encouraged to read the Bible as a Catholic and the recently born again man who witnessed to me on the streets had the word of God out and going through it within 30 minutes of meeting him. Anyway, when the lady asked me I studied the whole issue again, especially infused versus imputed righteousness, and the conclusion I came to was that the Roman system is based on a theology of "meritology." You supposedly can increase your degree of justification by cooperating with God and doing good works. If you fall and stumble and sin you can help make up the difference by doing things - performing. In my opinion it's a mixture (man can actually contribute to his own justification) that God will not accept. He won't receive or allow any mixture from man as far as justification goes. Then also Purgatory is a whole 'nother error altogether that really makes Calvary a somewhat irrelevant happening in salvation.

So a few years ago I went to a prayer meeting at the Catholic Church I was raised in and many there had Bibles and were sharing from them during the prayer meeting. Some things have changed as far as Catholics and the word goes. Millions and millions of Catholics have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit in the past decades and in my opinion you can't receive that experience unless you are saved. That's my opinion yet that doesn't mean that they have all doctrine correctly analyzed and interpreted. The teaching magisterium of the Catholic Church, supposedly infallbile, has shown it can be a lot of things but not infallbile.

I would urge anyone interested to do a study of infused versus imputed righteousness. It helped me fine tune the details of my faith like hardly any other study ever has. I don't say this in a haughty way but many Christians today may not be that familar with the issue and a true understanding of it is still lacking in the church today in my opinion. It is vitally and monumentally important to understand. I found the the Reformed faith is best at explaining it by far although the Reformers seemed to keep most of the Roman doctrines that gave figurative instead of literal interpretations to a large bulk of the OT prophecies regarding eschatology etc.

I can't figure out what Bickle supposedly did wrong by asking the questions he did but that is another matter.

Blessings.

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Hi docs,

Are you saying the millions of Catholics being saved, baptised in the Holy Ghost and reading their Bibles are remain in the Roman Catholic religious structure?

Interestingly, after I got saved (former Catholic), it was the reading of the Word and the work of the Spirit in my life that delivered me from the bondage of Catholicism, and then there was no reason to stay in their organization. I was no longer held captive to the communion, confessional and catechism. There was absolutely no reason for it and if I stayed, could no longer participate in them or the mass which is just a huge insult to the once for all sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Any Catholic who is reading their Bible will be set free from Catholic doctrine and once you are set free from their doctrine you won't see any need to stay in their organization or attend the hellish mass.

I was saved, baptized in the Holy Ghost outside of the Romish church. Are you also saying that millions are getting saved and baptized in the Holy Ghost INSIDE the RCC?

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docs Jun 15, 2016

/Are you saying the millions of Catholics being saved, baptised in the Holy Ghost and reading their Bibles are remain in the Roman Catholic religious structure?/

It appears that way. Some leave, some stay. I know many who left. I know of two former priests who left the RCC. One was a teacher of mine in Bible classes and the other was a priest from my childhood who at one time was the priest over this very church I spoke of as being in my hometown where I attended the prayer meeting. Both got married and had children.

/I was saved, baptized in the Holy Ghost outside of the Romish church. Are you also saying that millions are getting saved and baptized in the Holy Ghost INSIDE the RCC?/

I was save doutside of the Roaman church also. It appears that many have been saved inside the RCC in recent decades. What they do after salvation and what they are taught is another matter. One cannot afford to downplay doctrine at all but yet it's not correct doctrine that saves but a encounter with the risen Christ as He personally saves. It's my opinion that you can't receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the gift of tongues without being saved because this gift is exclusively given to believers. I've seen Catholics speaking in tongues, practicing discerning of spirits and giving accurate words of knowledge and praying for healing. I've got two close frinds who belong to the RCC and I know beyond any doubt they are saved yet I grieve at times over what they likely have been taught along the way. But I know they are saved. I may not be able to explain it all except maybe God's love in Christ reaches even into this error laden denomination. I have no desire to return to it at all but like I mentioned, what they do after their salvation may differ. Some leave, some stay.

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David writes.........

". It appears that many have been saved inside the RCC in recent decades. What they do after salvation and what they are taught is another matter. One cannot afford to downplay doctrine at all but yet it's not correct doctrine that saves but a encounter with the risen Christ as He personally saves."

I think many is a far cry from millions David. An encounter with the risen Christ leads to freedom, it does not mean that one stays with the realms of bondage and death. If a Mormon gets saved he leaves Mormonism, if a Jehovah gets saved they leave the Jehovah's witnesses. If an Amish gets saved they leave the Amish. If a Catholic gets saved they leave the Catholic church. And why? Who could bow down to false gods after being set free and delivered. Why was there a reformation and countless millions leave the Catholic church. Is all of that turned on its heads because of the claims of " Catholic Charismatics?" No brother, when the dead arise they leave the graveyard behind and seek to dwell among the living..............bro Frank

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TMK Jun 15, 2016

My wife was raised in a Catholic church; she says she loved Jesus at a very young age- went to Catholic school through 8th grade etc. When she really got saved after she met me she left the RC church.

We don't discuss it too much because she is pretty defensive about her experience in RCC. She understands its errors and she would admit she grew more as a believer in one year outside RC than all her experience IN the RCC. I think it is more nostalgia because she had a good experience and has fond memories of taking Easter baskets to the church on Holy Saturday to be blessed by the priest and things like that. I used to try to explain the problems with RC doctrine but it usually led to an argument so now I avoid the topic.

But the idolatry alone would seem to make it exceedingly difficult for a true born again believer to remain in the RC church. A true born again believer would have to speak out against the veneration of Mary and would constantly be at odds with other parishioners. There are many other doctrines that they could not simply ignore.

I have been in several RC services because my wife's parents were of course RC. I found it very bizarre and unsettling. The only things I liked about it was the smell of the incense and when they jingle those bells.

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Good post Todd. Rings very true...............bro Frank

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