Prayer Needed Please

Will be praying my brother. May God intervene in your situation. May He save your brother.

Will do. Lord, in Jesus' name, ultimately bring about & make for your good & glory in these things the devil meant for bad!

Nigel brother, so sorry to hear this. May God give comfort and strength to you and your family.

There is drug abuse in my family, my grandson and son both died of overdoses, my son deliberately, and various others are still using so l get how devastatingly it is. It is so evil how it takes over their minds and destroys them.

I had a gene test to help me know how to treat my autoimmune illnesses, and was told that l had the gene which makes you more susceptible to heroin addiction. I have never touched drugs due to the Lords protection but know how a person's biochemistry can cause unbearable depression which does not respond to medication or therapy but does to dietary intervention, as in the paleo diet and some vitamins.

It is advised that no- one tries to quit any addiction until they have spent some time vastly increasing their nutritional state and by doing so, vastly reduses withdrawal effects.

Thinking of you in this tough time.

Brenda,
Not to derail the importance of the opening post, but Jesus can actually just set us free from addictions, regardless of our natural predisposition to them whether from "gene pool", environmental factors, etc. (be it homosexuality, drug abuse, etc.). I know this personally. My grandfather died an alcoholic (my aunt used to get between him & my granny as a small child because he would get drunk and violent). My Dad died a severe alcoholic. My mom was a drug addict in the hippie era. Pretty much the majority of all my brothers & cousins were at one time (if not still) alcoholics &/or drug addicts. I was too. I was drinking at 12-14 years old. I was downing tons of vodka in my late teens. I was getting high daily by 18-19. I was later addicted to EVERYTHING (cocaine, meth, heroine, Ecstacy, GHB, valium, etc.) as well as taking crazy stuff all at one time when already messed up like Ketamine, LSD, Mescalline, Nubain, Zanax, Rohyphynols, or whatever. I was shooting heroine every day for almost a year at 20, playing in bands in Denton & using every other drug too. I have overdosed & almost died (would have but the grace of God) from it several times (like been to the hospital, hooked up to machines, drinking charcoal, heart monitor racing, the whole bit). But at 23 (18.5 years ago now), when I got saved & quit, I quit. The Lord delivered me. In spite of my genes or my diet, & my new bread was his Word! So I am not saying eating is not important (I actually was also a steroid taking, huge monster during much of this with training certs & nutrition specialty, & nutrition is to this day a great interest to me), but the most important thing is getting truly born again & delivered by the Lord from it. If not for that alone, I'd have been long ago dead. The brother who shepherds our fellowship & his wife were also heroine junkies. He actually legally & medically died from it on monitors in the hospital. His wife (now) was of Buddhist background but cried out to Jesus when they told her he was dead. Then His heart starting beating again. that was the start of events that lead him & then her to Christ. They never used again either irrespective of diet/food intake. Again, not trying to derail from the OP, but I thought it should be stated. Heck, my diet after getting saved was jail food! Lol. 😊 And there was still accessibility to drugs for me in jail & prison (state penitentiary), but I had found the food the world knows not of & was free & satisfied in Him!
God Bless,
Jeff

Jeff

Thanks for adding your experiences regarding drug use.

I think that we all know that God does deliver men from all sorts of substance abuse and they never touch those thigs again, but the fact is that the vast majority of people, quit without becoming believers and any advise they can get to make the process easier is important, and not just to say to them 'believe in Jesus' and all will be well or that it is the only way for them to quit. Even if they do get delivered, correcting the nutritional deficiencies they have built up whilst abusing is advisable if they have access to good diet that is. Some people are too 'heavenly' for their own good. The physical is important too.

That's silly.

John Wesley was a great supporter and teacher regarding natural methods of healing though herbs etc. He even advised electric therapy and it was not until recently that we find out that electric currents passed through the body kill parasites.

God made our bodies to obey the rules of biology and nature and often all that is required for us to heal from diseases is to obey the rules that He set forth and eat as He intended for our bodies.

It is not about salvation, that is another issue but finding help for addictions , which is a biochemical problem though sin may have started the process, is something that does not interfere with the need for a Saviour. Many start to take drugs because they are desperate and start to self medicate, then get consumed by it. Some of these people are not law breakers and rebels but ordinary weak people who are in a lot of pain etc and have certain genetic defects which makes them unable to find help for their problems. Some like me cannot take medications.

There are many believers that reject all natural means of healing and go to doctors who are really just drug pushers, of substances that do not heal the body but only mask symptoms and keep the person a cash cow for the pharma industry.

These people eventually develop degenerative diseases like cancer but really they have brought it on by themselves and by not obeying God's natural laws. The carry on consulting doctors and get more and more poison through chemo, radiation or surgery when they could have healed themselves by going alternative.

It is absolute blindness and I am sure Satan loves this control over believers lives and the shortening of them.

Brenda,
Thanks for your response, but Just for the record, I reject the comment "some people are far too heavenly to be any earthly good" when responding to my post. Fact is, while nutrition can be an aid, I find that most Christians are actually the opposite - far too earthly to be any heavenly good. Jesus didn't heal people or deliver people by providing dietary menus or herbal remedies. Addiction is primarily a spiritual issue, not a physical one. Such is true for all forms of idolatry. I was addicted to porn too. Was that due to my predisposition (yes, I was from Adam's seed) or from a lack of certain nutrients & biochemistry? I agree anything that helps people get off drugs is fine, but Such soft answers without stating the PRIMARY issue is sin/idolatry & the need for a savior and his deliverance is "earthly wisdom", soulish, etc. AA itself was a mixture of the vain philosophies of this world & can actually prevent people from seeing their need for (& so reaching for & believing in) a real savior. Again, when the lady had the issue of blood, Jesus didn't provide her with a dietary program. When the man was demon possessed, Jesus didn't make earthly recommendations. The word "pharmakai" used in the New Testament translated as "witchcraft"
When Paul is listing the sins of the flesh is where we get the word "pharmacy" ie "drugs". Drug use is plain and simple witchcraft. An escape from reality through a satanically altered state. Unless we are heavenly enough to see things as God sees them and address them spiritually FIRST, we do people a TREMENDOUS disservice making natural excuses and remedies (even apart from Christ) for it. I say that without any doubt or apology whatsoever. Again, Jesus came to deliver us as our bread of life. That MUST be first and foremost or all else is worldly wisdom with no eternal profit whatsoever. God forbid I provide natural ways for my brother to stop his addictions without stressing his need to leave such idolatry & turn to Christ first and foremost? That would be offering worldly band-aids for eternally gaping wounds. Or worse, this "biochemistry imbalance" (which is real, considering dopamine, serotonin, etc., but I would argue from a scientific basis of "cause and effect relationship"
Is actually CAUSED by the introduction of drugs to the system, not the other way around) often leads to the prescribing of "anti-depressants", "methadone", etc. which doesn't cure the issue, only prolongs & deepens it, but gives a false hope. I am living proof & the Word of God & ways of God are true.
God Bless,
Jeff

And yes, they actually all are "law breakers" & "rebels". Maybe not if "comparing yourselves by yourselves", but if looking Biblically, (in truth, Thy Word is truth), they ARE lawbreakers and rebels. We all are. If you start with the presupposition as the world does "we are all basically good" you can arrive at such evaluations. But if you start with a Biblical basis, "we are all gone astray..there is none good, no not one...", "we are all conceived in sin as Adam's seed", etc. then your paradigm shifts from a sensual, emotional, soulish, natural, philosophically worldly one, to a spiritual one that is based in the truth of God's testimony of man, & not man's evaluation & comparison of himself. Start at the wrong place, end at the wrong place.

Should we not be lifting this dear brother Nigel up in our prayers. The man lost his mother to a drug overdose. He is under spiritual attack. His brother wants to get clean and know Jesus.

The dear brother has asked for the prayers of the forum. Let us keep this brother and his other brother in our prayers and pray that God will intervene in their situation.

Simply my thoughts.

I agree Blaine. And I did pray for him. And I said I wasn't trying to steal the OP. We can start a new thread if need be. As a former hard core drug addict & a student of the Word of God, I just couldn't let The whole "nutrition is the reason for idolatrous sinful witchcraft" involvement thing go unanswered. I felt That notion can't be left floating out there unaddressed. As a former hardcore addict who has seen it all - understanding these things rightly is no small matter. Sorry.

Brother Jeff I pray your own freedom found in Jesus has encouraged our brother Nigel. I do remember when you shared with me your testimony when we talked. It was pretty powerful.

Testimonies of how God is working one's life can be so powerful. My brother Nigel be encouraged by your testimony.

Dear brother Nigel,
I agree with the other prayers of the saints here.
May the Lord hear you and your brother as you cry out to Him, when you are in distress, the Lord hears you. May He guard your life for you are devoted to Him.

Have mercy on Nigel's brother, Lord Jesus, may He not just be afraid to die, but pour out your great love on Him, that he knows You love him, Lord. You are forgiving and good, Lord, abounding in love to all who call upon you. Deliver him from all drug demons that have him locked in a prison of addiction. Set the captive free as only You are able, Lord.

Strengthen Nigel and pour out your peace upon him and let him lay all his burdens on You. And comfort these brothers in their loss.

In Jesus Mighty Name I ask

Sorry to hear that brother, praying for you and made a note to continue.
May the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, guard your heart and mind through Christ Jesus.(from Phil 4v7)

Do pray for Nigel. He is undergoing heavy satanic oppression, Jesus will see him through