Greg - Question about David Pawson

Brother Greg,
I just recently discovered the rich Bible teaching of David Pawson. I noticed SI has 1 of his sermons/teachings on Divorce & Remarriage. But this brother has hundreds of video sermons/teachings on YouTube and elsewhere on every form of Biblical topical issue, book by book Bible teaching, etc. I have really been blessed by most all of what I have watched from him. I have watched him Mostly on the subjects of Israel in scripture, Eschatology, Revelation, Habakkuk, etc. but he has Bible teaching & studies on virtually everything you can think of. Any reason why you don't have more of his stuff available on SI?
God Bless,
Jeff

Dear brother,

We do have over 10 audio sermons by him here also: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=528

We appreciate some of the teachings we have heard by this brother, we have not looked extensively into copyrights and if he is willing to release all the materials. Also we have never had the opportunity to connect with other saints that have a relationship directly to him, as that is the cause for many speakers we promote, that we have witnesses and a Holy Spirit led connection and verification.

David Pawson, now 86, is a very well known and respected ex-Methodist Baptist preacher in the UK. He grew up in my area and attended the university of my home city. He has spoken at Keswick l believe. Someone l knew in the past but who is now with the Lord considered him her favourite Bible teacher and she heard him speak in person. I don't know his end times position, but that is something l do not take much notice of, being mainly conjecture.

I have just learned that David has prostrate cancer so sadly his time with us is probably short.

Oh no!

I know Corrie Ten Boom after her stroke wanted only to hear her nephew play violin & Pawson teach/preach. Although Pawson teaches on nearly every Bible subject there is, FYI - eschatologically he is Classical Historical Premillinealist & teaches on such as we'll or better than anyone I've ever heard. I don't want to turn this into a "free for all" attack on him or the view (not that you would, but some here would, or would subtly do so), but he is a very good Bible teacher. He believes in the sovereignty of God, but is not a "Calvinist" or a "Anti-Nomianist". He believes in the final salvation of all Israel according to Romans 11:26 (& explains the overall context of the book of Romans and when, where, why & to whom it was written very well. I believe He is a jewel to the Body. Just glad I ran across him on the net.
God Bless,
Jeff

That would be cool Narrowpath. I can't imagine there are copyright issues since his stuff is free everywhere & there are hundreds upon hundreds of his teaching/sermons on YouTube that are posted by everyone under the sun. I would love to see them all here on SI. He digs up meat & brings up details & points that others do not. You can tell he came up with real study & research & not learning by quick google searches what everyone is throwing around as popular or common answers. And he lays out information and explains step by step (line upon line, precept upon precept) in a way that isn't the common trend of "proof-texting"
a verse/s in isolation (eisogesis) to make an argument, but taking all of the scriptures as a whole together building upon foundations & "scaffolding" information upon what is already known and established previously. He is solid.

"Unlocking the Bible" excellent series on Youtube.

Savannah,
Well, I have listened to the first ten minutes of part 1 & he brings up some interesting points. Mainly, that not once do Jesus or the apostles preach PUBLICLY to the Lost about the Love of God. That there isn't one mention of the love of God specifically in the entire account of the book of Acts. That the apostles preach believe and repent. And even in John 3:16, although he had preached on it in this way himself before without looking closer at it, that it always gets used as an isotext out of context (pretext), even though it's the most commonly known &!used verse in all of scripture. And that lost sinners still lost in every kind of vile sin always use the phrase "God's love is unconditional" and mention John 3:16, but the phrase "God's Love is Unconditional" isn't used in the Bible one time anywhere. And that the love of God in context of scripture (especially looking at the NT) is never used once in preaching to the lost in all of scripture. It's always discussed among in context among those already redeemed. I guess one possible potential objection to that would be John 3:16? Was Nicodemus already converted? I don't think so because Jesus told him "you must be born again".'but the total message in all 3 parts is 4 hrs long, so I'd want to listen more to his point before making a judgement overall. He is making some good points though on what we commonly do and don't see in scripture compared to what we preach. Many preaching/teaching men & many evangelists have pointed out before the gaping hole in the Gospel commonly preaches saying the American gospel tends to be "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life so repeat a prayer after me and it doesn't matter what you do after that, because God's love is unconditional." Men like Paul Washer, Leonard Ravenhill, Michael Brown, AW Tozer, Art Katz, Ray Comfort & many others have pointed out the Biblical and scriptural incompleteness & flaw of preaching this unbiblical and unbalanced "gospel lite" and point out that "God is angry with the wicked everyday", and "the wrath of God abides on them" & many other such verses. And not mention the evangelistic preaching of John the Baptist, Jesus, & the apostles was always "repent & believe the Gospel...& bear fruit in keeping with repentance....", etc. And David did a study examining that out of 35,000 verses in scripture, only 35 (1 in 1,000) specifically mention the love of God either for Israel (coming out of slavery in Egypt) or His people as a whole in the NT. Pawson is never afraid to dig into "controversial commonly held belief" if in his study scripture doesn't bear it out. I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree with David 100% on every single little thing (or anyone maybe for that matter. I love him, but disagree with Spurgeon on cessationism, & though am strong in believing the sovereignty of God in election, I'm also not a true, full 5-point Tulip Calvinist either, and I can likely find small minor issue/passage disagreements with almost anyone if I listen long enough. And maybe over time I move a bit as the Lord gives more light or maybe I see more clearly how wrong they were. No man but Jesus had 100% light. We see through a glass dimly until the perfect comes & we know fully even as we are known). Anyways, you got my interest up now, so I will likely listen to this on my headphones today as I work repairing dispensers at work. I wanted to cut and paste the comments he put under the 1st YouTube clip to explain where he's coming from better, but it wouldn't let me. I'm sure I'll have more comments after I check it all out.
God Bless,
Jeff

One more interesting thought in regards to myself & my testimony that relates to this subject.

I grew up in Christian School. I went to church with my mom. And at Church on The Rock in Rockwall, TX when there was actual revival there (before it all crashed). I had gotten emotionally moved & beieved (mentally) Jesus died on the cross for me. I understood that apart from Him I was going to hell. I understood that God did that out of love. I had said the prayer (more than once) in tears in services and at Christian camps, had voluntarily gotten baptized (2x I think?), etc.

But when I persisted in my sin and rebellion, the ending course of all my sex, drugs & rock n roll (literally), violence, was ending up in a jail cell looking at 20 years, addicted, broken, humiliated, etc. What led up to my actual supernatural conversion? Where no man preaches a Word to me, but God Himself spoke to me through His Word? Somehow & for some reason (God's Soveriegnty I can see now, Him knowing what "one thing I lacked") I picked up a Bible and started in 1 & 2 Kings? Well, God commanded an angel & 185,000 people get slaughtered at once, at the Word of the Lord? Say what? That's not the God I learned about growing up? And then I read through Proverbs. What? Everything I thought I knew was completely upside down & backwards. And then Inread through the Gospels & saw that yes, Jesus loves me enough to die on the cross, but that His message was one of clarity I had not previously understood concerning repentance. Good fish and bad fish. Scathing rebukes of the proud & self-confident. Grace to the humble & resisting the proud. Judgement at the door. More talk of hell than heaven (by far). Serious sobriety in the Gospel as a whole (not verses plucked out here and there and added commentary of man). I repented and cried out "save me a wicked sinner" & was radically born again! So I see the point of over focusing on "the unconditional Love of God for lost people in sin and loving it" not leading to repentance & faith as having some validity. I'll see what I think of his message overall after I am totally done so I don't wrongly understand or accuse him, & have a full picture of his point and his view.

Sure.

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God Bless,
Jeff

I must admit that 25 minutes in he is saying things I am trying to point out all the time (& usually getting "proof-texts" thrown at me in the form of single verses with no context).

"The word 'text' has always meant all the writing in a book minus the table of contents, Bibliography, appendix, etc. Only is Christendom has somehow the word 'text' been transformed and used to mean a few words removed from their greater context apart from the rest of the book. Of course we know a French bishop in the 14th century added the chapter divisions & an Irish bishop in the 15th century the verse numbers, so now what was added for convenience actually has created those who 'look up verses' rather than those who 'search the scriptures' as was the historical command and practice."
David Pawson

I have my own term for such: "textualists". But that's something I thought of on my own. Context of scripture is so important. Without it, we all can get led off on some weird rabbit trails & errant teachings. Everyone of us.