Sobering Words From an Email

Gus Cruz writes:

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Romans 9:17

After reading this particular Scripture what makes you feel so confident that God wouldn't purge America with great suffering?

What makes you think that God wouldn't place another evil ruler to disciple His people?

Like the Jews of that time, this country has turned their back on God and every day their disobedience is applauded and praised by mainstream media.

Now I totally agree that the Bible should never be taken out of context.

We ought to read it as a whole which is why I would ask you to turn to the book of Job or Habakuk or the whole Old Testament for that matter.

Job was a godly man and God allowed Satan to kill his children, take away his riches and health.

Habakuk was another godly man who was desperately praying for God's help, but God answered by brining the Babylonians to enslave them because of their disobedience.

God's righteousness is more serious then the fairy tales people believe.

Whether its Hillary or Trump we as believers need to be ready because God didn't promise the Church comfort but rather persecution.

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Those of you who are praying for revival be careful what you are asking. God will send revival in response to your prayers. But the the price will be very high.

Revival will not begin with America turning back to God. America is unregenerate. Revival must begin with the house of God. But with revival beginning with the house of God it must come with judgment. And the judgment will be the purifying fires of persecution. God must bring persecution to purge the church of worldliness and other forms of sinfulness.

Only when the church is stripped of its sin and worldliness will we see the true glory and power of Jesus shine.

But before we can see the crown of His power. We must come to the foot of his cross. We must be broken and desperate before Him. Dear saints realize He will answer your prayer for revival. But before the revival may very well come the persecution. But such will have to be to burn the church out of her sin. And to bring her to repentance. Then the glory of Christ will truly shine through her.

Simply my thoughts from the foot of His cross.

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My brother and sister so agree. We need to wake up. We keep saying that. Yet I keep thinking we're hitting the snooze alarm.

I do not think that the pre-trib Rapture is held by many in this forum. At least I've never seen posts of those who support such a view. But I have certainly seen posts by those who say that the prophetic happened in 70 AD. And everything must be interpreted in an allegorical way. I believe the enemy can use this to put us to sleep. I mean if it happened in 70 AD what would be the concern today.

So when the reality of martial law hits us. Perhaps the presidential elections are suspended. And we are we told to report to a FEMA assembly center for processing to a death camp. Will we still be saying that this is all allegorical? It happened in 70 AD?

Much sobering thought for reflection.

I found this on one of my earlier threads that I posted a few years ago. I think this present email confirms the thoughts that God gave me at that time.

I don't know the timestamp of when I posted this. But I think it was about 3 or 4 years ago. So we can see where we are at now.

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And Persecution Must Come
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This morning as I was reflecting upon tbe state off the American church before the Lord. Tbe thought cane to me. Persecution must come. Persecution must come upon the American church to drive the bride back to Jesus.

A casual reading of the Old Testament will see what happened when Israel rejected God in favor of an earthly king. For hundreds of years Israel paid tbe price dearly because she said we want a king. Even under David, tbe man after God's own heart. Israel suffered grief. Though there was prosperity under Solomon and peace. Solomon and eventually Israel turned away from God.

During these times God would send judgements and prophets to warn Israel and plead for her to come back to him. There would be a few times of national repentance and deliverance. But always then turning away from God and back to men for deliverance.

Even at the end of John's gospel one of the most tragic statements uttered in defiance to God was uttered by tbe religious leadership of Israel. These were the moral leaders of Jesus day. The religious conservatives if you will. We know them as the Pharisees. When Pilot asked shall I crucify your king. Their response was we have no king but Caesar. They paid for that statement 70 years later when Rome levelled Jerusalem to the ground. Caesar did not save them.

If we look at the pattern of the Old Testament we see the same thing being played out in the American church today. For the last several years the American church has rejected Christ in favor of political leaders to save her. Granted she would not be so blatant to say this. But slowly one sees a turning away from intimacy with the Savor to seek hope in political leaders who will bring a kingdom utopia on earth. In essence tbe bride has turned away from the Lover of her soul to commit adultery with the world.

As in any spiritual relationship the source of tbe bride's the turning away is Satan. The evil one entices the church to turn away from intimacy with her Savior to the distraction of the world. Thus the bride loses her fragrance and becomes carnal and worldly minded. She loves tbe security of the world and cries for a worldly leader to bring her peace and safety.

As in Israel God responds with judgement in the form of persecution to drive tbe bride back to Christ. Persecution must purify a worldly minded church to Christ mindedness. Persecution must cleanse the worldly minded church of her sins and dross. Thus a pure gold remnant will emerge. A remnant who are passionate about her Lord. A remnant who will truly follow the Lamb wherever he goes.

Thus saints I say persecution must come opon the American church. Let us not fear it. But welcome it as a refiners fire from a loving God who is purifying his bride.

Thus persecution must come.

Bearmaster.

1 Peter 1:6-9

In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

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Peter tells us in the above verses that persecution will test our faith. It will purify our faith. This is what God must use to purify the American Church. No where do I see in the New Testament which says the American church is exempt from persecution. It will be persecution that will ultimately test and prove our obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ.

We look at the choice that we have in the current presidential election. Neither candidate is decided by Christians. Could it be that this presidential, election should it be held, is simply a judgment of God. A judgment of God to drive us to our knees even to our faces to cry out for none other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. But even if the election is suspended as some think it might be due to martial law being declared. This still might be God's judgment to drive us to our faces before the Lord Jesus Christ.

But as we cry out to Him perhaps for cries of revival. May He not answer with persecution and the death camps. But then when we see the state of the American church and the sin and worldliness that she is in. Can Christ answer with anything else but to purge His bride the refining fire of persecution.

But for those saints who will endure the refiner's fire of persecution. Their faith will be more refined. Their faith will be more pure than even gold itself.

Brothers and sisters we must die to the love of this world. We must come to the foot of the cross. Our testimony must be that of Paul himself. When our brother declares may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. For truly if we are dying today. Then we will be prepared to die tomorrow.

Thoughts from the foot of His cross.

"So when the reality of martial law hits us. Perhaps the presidential elections are suspended. And we are we told to report to a FEMA assembly center for processing to a death camp."

Isn't it possibly a tad irresponsible to throw out such a statement?

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And brother isn't it possibly a tad irresponsible to NOT make such a statement. I say to you and others gently wake up and smell the Spirit. Hear what the Spirit is saying to the church in America. He will cleanse his bride by the fire so persecution.

Todd you can do the research yourself. You can Google things like executive order 9066. This was executive order that Franklin D Roosevelt signed to imprison Japanese-Americans into something akin to concentration camps. You can Google the revokation a Posse Comitatus. Congress revoked this act which basically now makes it legal for American arned forces to deploy against American citizens in the United States. You can Google Rex 84 which provides for the establishment of FEMA detention centers. Commonly called FEMA death camps. We can speak of predator drones against American citizens. We can speak Anerican troops training with local police departments to deploy in the event of martial law being declared. And so on.

But Todd that is not the intention of what I am bringing up in this thread. I'm writing up the reality of persecution coming up on the American Church. Whereas I know some reject what I say in this forum. Go back to Paul Washer. He warned us four years ago that the American Church would suffer persecution. He warned us that we would be arrested as enemies of the state.

The American church will not escape persecution. We cannot debate this as having been fulfilled in 70 AD. Persecution is a reality that our brothers and sisters are facing in the rest of the world and it will be a reality that we too will face.

We cannot pray against persecution. We cannot decree it to go away. Persecution is here and it will keep growing. We need. We need. We need to come back to the cross and die to this love of America and the things in the world and the materialism of America. And we need to die to ourselves. So that the Holy Spirit can live in us and we can endure the hell that will soon break out in the United States.

Simply my thoughts bro.

Should we wake up because of future fearsome calamities on earth or wake up because we will be standing before a Holy God, someday? Or wake up because HE IS CALLING NOW and SPEAKING NOW?

So much conjecture and yet, communicating imagined, fearful future events to people really does not affect most people, righteously. What will and does have an effect on people is the anointed preaching of the Gospel.

So much conjecture and yet, communicating imagined, fearful future events to people really does not affect most people, righteously. What will and does have an effect on people is the anointed preaching of the Gospel.

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Then brother why are people in this nation not responding to the so-called anointed preaching of the gospel? We certainly don't see people responding in this nation as they're responding in China. It is estimated that over 15,000 people a day are coming to Christ in China. And that is because the Chinese church is under persecution. But that is because the Chinese church living out an authetic life Imin Christ in shadow of the cross. It was persecution that is enabling the church to grow in China.

The same thing is happening in Iran. With the oppression of an Islamic government approximately 1000 Believers a day or responding to the gospel in Iran. And that is because the church in Iran is under persecution. That is because the Iranian church is livinh out an authentic Christian life In the shadow of the cross.

The anointed preaching of the gospel will not occur in the present reality of the American church. Because the present reality of the American church is sin filled self-centeted matetialism. That coupled with heretical Prosperity word faith teaching. With no teaching of the cross or its demands.

God must bring us to a point of desperation. I don't see any other way but that He send the refining fire of persecution upon the American church. We can disagree on the particulars of how that persecution will come. But persecution will come up on the American church whether we like it or not. But it will come. The question is how will we respond to it?

Again my thoughts.

Persecution is one thing; being rounded up into FEMA death camps is quite another.

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Really brother what is the difference. Christians are sent to death camps in North Korea for their faith in Christ. So Why try to see it differently here. Because this is America?

Why is it alright for Paul Walker to say that we will be arrested as enemies of the state and that does not upset anyone in the forum. Although perhaps it should. At least they're being provoked to anger to a response.

Would it be more acceptable if I say that we will be arrested as enemies of the state and put in jail. Would that be less offensive. Probably not because Blaine Scogin said it.

Again Todd whether I say it or perhaps Paul Washer, who is more respected in this forum says it. Persecution is coming in America and I believe we will be arrested as enemies of the state. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what type of jail they will be put in.

Then to put a more positive spin on this. Maybe we will have a witness in the jail to the Constitutionionalist and the Patriots and the gun totin folks. Maybe even have a chance to witness to our persecutors.

My thoughts bro.

Bear- if you ask a Chinese brother why they are living as they do, what would they say.

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Probably "We do not listen to sermons. But we are the sermon." In other words they would probably say to us take up your cross and follow Jesus. Die to ourselves so that Jesus would live in us. That we would be the sermon.

But again the Chinese are doing this in light of persecution. For the persecution causes them to take up their cross to follow Jesus. The persecution causes them to die to themselves. But in so doing the Spirit of Jesus lives in them.

My thoughts bro.

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Brother I pray I'm not coming across in a spirit of quarreling. But I'm speaking out of a sense of urgency. Not panic. But urgency. In Eph. 5;15-17 Paul exhorts us,

... Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, making the most of your time, because the days are evil. So then do not be foolish, but understand what the little the Lord is...

Brother the email that the brother wrote is that God has not promised us comfort, but persecution. This was promised by Jesus Himself when He said that if anyone wishes to come after Him we must take up our cross to follow Him. The certainly leads to a spiritual dying to the things of this world. But this may also lead to an actual giving up of our physical lives even unto martyrdom.

This is the reality that our brothers and sisters live with in places like North Korea and Eritrea. This is not a reality we live with in America. So to speak of martyrdom or FEMA death camps or persecution of any sort brings criticism. There will be those who say that this is fear. This is fearful and is not wholesome or edifying.

But brother God has not given us a spirit of timidity or fear. He has given us a spirit of power and love and discipline. If we are filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus Himself, then we will endure the persecutions that are coming.

And brother persecution will have to come. If we truly want to have a revived holy church in America. Then the refining fire of persecution will have to purge the sin that so grips the American Church. The refiner's fire will have to purify our faith.

Brother in my flesh I do not want to go through persecution. In my flesh I do not want to suffer for Jesus. I would rather believe the fantasy of comfort. In my flesh I would want to be the one going to heaven on flowery beds of ease.

But brother he has called me to a cross. He has called me to suffer for Him. The cross is before me. The world is behind me. I cannot avoid the cross. I can turn back to the world and put the cross behind me. But then I would become an enemy of God. And I would rather go through the fire of persecution. Then suffer falling into the hands of an angry God. In other words brother I would rather fear God then fear what man can do to me. Brother this is a decision that will face each of us. We must settle in our hearts whether we will live for Jesus regardless of the cost. Or not live for him and seek the safety of the world. And suffer His anger. Brother it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Better to suffer the fires of persecution.

Hope this makes sense bro.

by bearmaster on 2016/7/26 13:37:12

Why is it alright for Paul Walker to say that we will be arrested as enemies of the state and that does not upset anyone in the forum. Although perhaps it should. At least they're being provoked to anger to a response.

I never said this kind of talk upset anyone. I just wonder from an eternal perspective how that kind of talk is more edifying and powerful than preaching Christ and Him crucified.

Would it be more acceptable if I say that we will be arrested as enemies of the state and put in jail. Would that be less offensive. Probably not because Blaine Scogin said it.

Again, I never mentioned anyone being offended. If more people are getting saved from telling them the imagined bad things that are coming rather than preaching the Gospel, then I guess the preaching of the Gospel will cease in favor of the preaching of the future, fearsome, events. Whichever one, produces more fruit, I guess.

Again Todd whether I say it or perhaps Paul Washer, who is more respected in this forum says it. Persecution is coming in America and I believe we will be arrested as enemies of the state. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what type of jail they will be put in.

To tell you the truth, I usually turn off and tune out preachers that preach future fearsome events not because I don't believe the future is full of terrible events (heck, there are plenty already in the present) but because I know that having speculative knowledge (at best) about the future does not really help anyone. You don't have kids, but I can tell you that you never raise children by giving them a diet of speculative, fearful events that MIGHT happen. I also believe speculative sermons about the future are one of the easiest sermons to create and I tend to attach a certain kind of "laziness" to them. Jesus said, "Occupy till I come", and speculative, fearful, future events have a tendency to make people NOT occupy (marry, have children, pursue God given goals, etc) till He comes. Of course there are always exceptions. No sooner will I post this than someone will say, "I feed on future, fearsome events every day and I have eight children." Clearly, my statement is not for the exceptions. And you too, are probably an exception.

Also, sincere, true Believers who read their Bible are already aware of persecution and the need to go deep into Christ. It's not that they need to, but that they want to. They read about persecution and have already been rejected by those they love because of their stand with Christ. If a person is walking close to God in America, where everything exists for the flesh, I am convinced that they will be ok when speculative torture and death come. You know how I know that? Because they were faithful in the "small" things.

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

After WWI, in between WWII, I don't ever recall Corrie Ten Boom's father talking about the terrible events that were coming again unto Europe or while he was in the midst of the terrible events, bemoaning and giving "air time" to the terrible events, everyday. No, her father was all about Jesus. And, Wurmbrand himself was all about Jesus, before, during and after the terrible events. You should know this. Maybe, you have accidentally gotten on a hamster wheel of doom and gloom and just need to jump off for awhile. Trust me, I know how easy it is to do that (get on the wheel). Jumping off is a bit more difficult.

What we need more of, to get us through whatever kind of days are coming upon us, is more of Jesus.