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A Serious Call to Holiness

sermonindex Aug 14, 2016

Saints

This video is probably one of the most powerful messages I have heard on biblical holiness. The video is not a Paul Washer video. The message is given by Nancy Leigh DeMoss.


I heard this message a few years ago and found myself on my face repenting before God. I listened to the message again and still found myself on my knees repenting before God.


The message is an hour long. But well worth listening to.  For  the heart that truly longs to be holy as unto Jesus. This video is an encouragement. Yes convicting. But also an encouragement.


For those who long for revival. This video is also an encouragement.


The link is below. May you be edified if you were drawn to listen to it.

https://youtu.be/xOg9-2W4F5A

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proudpapa Aug 14, 2016

What she said at 43:20 would not have had anything to do with your reason to post this would it ?

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proudpapa Aug 14, 2016

My response insinuated an assumption, I want to apologize for that.

I want to ask directly, I ask because of recent disscussions, Is what she said at around 43:20 concerning the man with the cross and a beer in part the reason that you posted this video ?

edit change 'In light' to 'I ask because"

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No brother. I had no idea that she mentioned the man with the cross and the beer. It has been about 3 years since I heard this message. So I was not aware that incident was in the video.

But in light of recent discussions. It should cause us to think and reflect. What type of a message are we sending when we have a Bud in one hand and a Bible in the other. Or if we have a glass of wine in one hand and a Bible in the other.

The reason I posted the video what's the see more Holiness in my own life. And hopefully the message by our dear sister would encourage holiness and others who so desired such.

Simply my answer.

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In my own life my walk with Christ has to be consistent in or out of my home. What I do in the public should be the same as what I do in the privacy of my home.

If I choose to not consume alcoholic beverages in public. Then I cannot rationalize and say that I can consume them in the privacy of my home. Otherwise I am the hypocrite.

I appreciate the message of our sister when she implies that holiness has to be consistent 24/7 irregardless of what surroundings were in.

Simply one that I got from the message.

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But again the encouragement of the message is that holiness can bring about the revival that we long for. I do not want to get hung up on the drinking issue.

But to encourage us to listen to the message on holiness so that we can see the power of God operate in us.

This is one of the reasons I posted this message.

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proudpapa Aug 14, 2016

RE: ///No brother. I had no idea that she mentioned the man with the cross and the beer. It has been about 3 years since I heard this message. So I was not aware that incident was in the video.///

Well I want to apologize to you, I was Wrong and there is a lesson for me to learn here.


sermonindex Aug 15, 2016

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Apology accepted brother. I do apologize if if I have been insinuating or judging. My only desire is to see a holy bride. To be part of that holy bride.

I think I will refrain from any more comments on drinking. In other words I will abstain. :-)

And just focus more on encouraging us to have a walk of Holiness as the Holy Spirit will instill that in our hearts.

Other than the beer incident I hope you were encouraged by our sisters message. I know I was. I want to have more holiness in my life so that God can certainly bring about revival to those around me.

BB

Hmmm. You PP. Me BB.:)

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proudpapa Aug 15, 2016

Bear, thank you so much for accepting my apology,

You deserve a great BIG BEAR HUG :)

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Likewise bro one BIG BEAR HUG coming your way bro. :-)

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Although this message has been gaining in popularity in recent years, due possibly to the ministry of Paul Washer, it is not the word which will bring revival.

If it were, we would have been seeing true revival and we are not. True revival is more than sorrow over one's sin and regret, it must go one step further and this message does not have the power to do it due to the spiritual condition of the preacher. There may be times where the presence of God is felt and a measure of repentance but it cannot reach the full mark of the start of revival.

A true preacher of holiness, that has the power of the Holy Spirit on his/her preaching, or the unction, must be holy themselves, and not just desire to be holy. In itself, that is a good desire, but it is not enough. We must encourage each other to aim to be holy, but that is not enough. For there to be power and living waters poured out that bring life unto others, the life must be there and that life is holiness.

The truth is that this message and it's preachers, have always opposed the real message of holiness, by saying that it cannot be achieved in this life, and that desiring holiness is what God is looking for. No, God is not interested in our human desires if they do not bring about their goal - a pure heart and a man who walks as Jesus walked, not merely in desiring holiness, as our Lord had no need to desire it, but to have it imparted. It is a gift of grace not an exercise of human endeavour.

Moreover, this message leads to legalism and we have witnessed it recently on this forum. Sister Nancy demonstrated it herself when she mentioned the man with a cross and a drink of alcohol in his hand.

The man was also an attendant at a wordly sporting event, an event of wordly entertainment, where one has to pay a sum of money which supports this worldly entertainment and necessitates one to be in a huge crowd where bad language can be heard, and no doubt cursing as well as swearing, yet the sister does not see this as contradicting her position of thinking herself better than the man because she has no alcohol in her hand.

This is exactly the lack of discerment that comes along with this brand of holiness message. If she acknowledges herself to be still below the mark that has been set, then how can she judge the heart of another. Maybe the man was holding it for a person he had brought to the game in order to witness Jesus to him, for the man to go to the bathroom, and he does not drink himself.

Those who are preaching holiness usually do demonstrate their lack of it and it brings shame on the church. Just like the witness of fat preachers and an example has been given of Spurgeon who also smoked, both of which are bigger sins than the odd glass of wine so far as damaging the holy temple which is our body. Well which is our body if it has been cleansed of all sin.

I have noticed repeatedly with these preachers that they give the game away by bringing up something they see in another, such as the recent conversation. Things have been twisted round to criticise those who defend the right of the brethren to drink alcohol which is allowed in scripture, with the proviso that they do not do it in front of the weaker brethren who may fall, whilst thinking of themselves more righteous. They do not see their legalism.

It is a very dangerous doctrine that is being preached by such as Nancy as she stands looking exactly like the women of the world, in her makeup, jewellery, high maintenance hair style, and fashionable dress, talking about her attendance at a sporting event. She has not renounced the world herself yet points her finger at a man whom she knew nothing about at the game.

The true holiness message is that there is not one who is better than the other by their actions, no matter how holy they attempt to be. Unless a man has been born again and has a pure heart, he is under the curse of the law and working his own flesh, instead of having it put to death.

Holiness is from God and there is nowhere in scripture that says it is confered after death. It says BE holy not attempt to be holy, whilst putting down others in the process.

The preachers that Nancy mentioned were all against the true message of holiness and stood strongly against those who preached imparted holiness or later after these saints have left us, take from their messages what suits them and leave behind the meat which offends them.

Scripture says we are to remove the log from our own eye before removing the splinter from another.

What we gear from these preachers is the counterfeit.

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sermonindex Aug 15, 2016

This message has been edited. Sorry l thought that no one was around who could have read it. Just a few clarifications.

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StirItUp Aug 15, 2016

Oswald Chambers: My Utmost for His Highest:"The answer to Nicodemus’ question, "How can a man be born when he is old?” is: Only when he is willing to die to everything in his life, including his rights, his virtues, and his religion, and becomes willing to receive into himself a new life that he has never before experienced (John 3:4). This new life exhibits itself in our conscious repentance and through our unconscious holiness.

"But as many as received Him…” (John 1:12). Is my knowledge of Jesus the result of my own internal spiritual perception, or is it only what I have learned through listening to others? Is there something in my life that unites me with the Lord Jesus as my personal Savior? My spiritual history must have as its underlying foundation a personal knowledge of Jesus Christ. To be born again means that I see Jesus.

"…unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God ” (John 3:3). Am I seeking only for the evidence of God’s kingdom, or am I actually recognizing His absolute sovereign control? The new birth gives me a new power of vision by which I begin to discern God’s control. His sovereignty was there all the time, but with God being true to His nature, I could not see it until I received His very nature myself.

"Whoever has been born of God does not sin…” (1 John 3:9). Am I seeking to stop sinning or have I actually stopped? To be born of God means that I have His supernatural power to stop sinning. The Bible never asks, "Should a Christian sin?” The Bible emphatically states that a Christian must not sin. The work of the new birth is being effective in us when we do not commit sin. It is not merely that we have the power not to sin, but that we have actually stopped sinning. Yet 1 John 3:9 does not mean that we cannot sin”” it simply means that if we will obey the life of God in us, that we do not have to sin.

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EAGLEFLYING Aug 16, 2016

Brother Blaine
Awesome video and great message May the Holy Ghost convict us if any unholiness in thought word or deed ! May we see a revival of Holiness in our day in Jesus name!!! Conspicuous holiness needs to be the mark of the church!!! Ch Spurgeon


May we His bride be ready for the Holy place He has for us May He separate us from all things unto Him for His service!!!


Send your conviction over me father every day wherever I am when i do anything u are not pleased with in Jesus name
Love In Christ
Sister Franie Eagleisflying

sermonindex Aug 16, 2016

My sister I so agree. As I read your post these verses from first Peter came to mine


1 Peter 1:13-16New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 Therefore, [a]prepare your minds for action, [b]keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace [c]to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As [d]obedient children, do not [e]be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but [f]like the Holy One who called you, [g]be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy.”


The above verses are not put their as mere filler. But a serious exhortive command for us to be holy as unto Jesus. If nothing else we are to be holy because He is Holy. All of heaven cries Holy! Holy! Holy! is the Lord God Almighty . That in and of itself should be enough for us to be holy.

That in and of itself should silence all argument. Because God is Holy. We should be holy.

I so agree with your prayer. May that be my prayer to.

Simply my thoughts dear sister.

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TrueWitness Aug 16, 2016

I just wanted to share something I read (and was powerfully moved by) from Wesley L. Duewel's book, God's Power is For You.


For too many, a life of victory, though it has included victory over many or all outward manifestations of sin, has been comparatively static and surprisingly fruitless. Such people have been gloriously satisfied with personal blessing until this satisfaction has become a snare. It has become their goal rather than a foundation on which to build.

Desiring and pursuing holiness is a good thing but is not an end in itself. As pointed out from the above quote, it is a foundation that God is working in you so that you might become fit, capable and able to minister to the lost and the body of Christ. Let us not be so fixated on our own "victory" that we lose sight of being filled with compassion for others. God wants to bring us into practical holiness of conduct and behavior coming from the newborn spirit man so that we can be used of God to affect our world for Christ.

-Daniel

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Of course the end is not the pursuit of holiness in itself. The end is to be holy because God is Holy. Hope this makes sense.

In other words our desire should be to please Jesus. In pursuing holiness our desire should be to please Him. And should be to reflect His glory. That should be the end result of being holy as He is holy.

Simply my thoughts.

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murrcolr Aug 16, 2016

The Old Covenant proclaimed and demanded holiness; the New Covenant provides it...

Holiness of heart and life is its great gift.

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