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ginnyrose Aug 23, 2016

The past two weeks we have been helping our 89 YO mom who is very sick with shingles - the rash is on her head in the area in front, behind, above her right ear down to her neck around to the shoulder. She has pain attacks that has her crying, holding her head and crying for prayer to help relieve the pain. These attacks can last for 10 minutes. She is on pain meds but they do not prevent the attacks - might space them, though.

Now my brother is advocating acupuncture to relieve the pain and the shingles itself having talked to two people who had the procedure done. I have been told by Christian physicians and other concerned Believers this is a procedure a Believer does not want to pursue.

Has any one here had it done with no spiritual repercussions?

Sandra

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TMK Aug 23, 2016

I am curious as to whether our persecuted brethren in China avail themselves of this treatment.

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dolfan Aug 23, 2016

For the life of me, I don't know why acupuncture would be a spiritual problem. I know that the acupuncture hippies in society talk about energies and chis and this and that. But, if sticking a needle in a nerve somehow gives relief then the reason is physiological. It isn't a bow to the occult in any way. If acupuncture works -- and I'm not saying it does or it doesn't because I do not know from personal experience and it seems very subjective -- then it works because of body chemistry and physics just like my allopurinol keeps my uric acid levels in check so little crystals of the stuff doesn't settle in my big toe and create a gout flare-up.


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TMK Aug 23, 2016

I tend to agree Tim. As long as the dr doesn't start talking about chakras and spirit guides and nirvana I don't see the issue. Not sure I'd want it done, not generally being a fan of getting stuck with needles.

I even think some chiropractors do acupuncture now.

To be safe I would go to a medical doctor that would keep it physiological as you say.

sermonindex Aug 23, 2016

A Christian doctor performed acupuncture on my shoulder to block some nerves and allow my shoulder to function while it healed. Your nerves are a big highway system and can be blocked so "traffic" is rerouted so as to allow you to continue to function while the member heals.

Physical things used:
Needles
My body.

Spiritual things used:
Prayer on my wife's and my part.

Western society is not often open to other types of procedures but they do love pharmaceuticals.


sermonindex Aug 23, 2016

Hi Sandra,
I'm surprised at some if the responses here. This procedure was birthed in Eastern Mysticism. A believer should have nothing to do with it. That is merely discernment from the Holy Spirit.

Practical observation. I had a sister- in-law, who rejected Jesus Christ. She moved to and lived in California when every occult thing available was accepted. Though she was a certified nurse, she turned to alternative medicine in the 70's and in the 90's became a "certified" acupuncturist.

I prayed for this woman's salvation most of my life. She resisted God and only got deeper and deeper into many occult practices including yoga, tarot card reading, universalism and the eastern medical practices.

I never saw any good come out of these things. She used acupuncture on her dad who had prostate cancer. He received no healing or relief from her
practice. I consider it witchcraft.

My sis in law died of a very strange disease in her early sixties. I have no knowledge that she ever knew Christ unless He came to her in her last days of dementia and deterioration. And I know our God is merciful.

I pray that Jesus would relieve your dear mother and heal her of the shingles, dear Sandra. May God give you wisdom as you care for her in her old age. I am caring for my 88 year old mother and know the pains and deterioration is heart-wrenching but our God is able to bring comfort and aid to even the most inexplicable conditions! May He bless you too dear sister.

Sis Les

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Blessedchild Aug 23, 2016

Hi Sandra,


I have heard that this remedy worked very well for someone although I have no first hand knowledge about the remedy. Of course there are variables to consider such as outlined in the link provided below.

Remedy
L-lysine 500mg 4 time each day
Add a vitamin C tablet and a vitamin B complex.
Apparently the symptoms start to decrease in a day or so
Must take the remedy for two full weeks
This individual only had L-lysine at times due to finances, and said it still worked well on its own.

Pray the Lord if you should consult a good naturopath or physician for correct dosage and their recommendations about this remedy or any other treatment including acupuncture. He'll lead you.

http://www.md-health.com/L-Lysine-Benefits.html
"L-lysine is an amino acid (a building block of protein) that is essential for health. However, it cannot be manufactured naturally in the human body like other types of amino acids. Therefore, L-lysine, also called lysine, is considered as one of the eight essential amino acids.”


God bless and may He speed your mother’s healing in Jesus Name”¨

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dolfan Aug 23, 2016

Lesyoung,

Question: Does everything that is 'birthed' in mysticism become altogether to be avoided by Christians? And, are you aware of any actual instance where Christians availing themselves of acupuncture experienced evil caused by the fact that they availed themselves of acupuncture?

If you can give a firm "yes" in full candor to either of those questions (pick one, either one) I'd consider it a favor if you'd share it and explain it. You've called us out on it, and I fully comprehend the opposition in your heart about it. I also don't doubt at all that the Holy Spirit has spoken to your heart in such a way as to say "no" about acupuncture.

Yet, I respectfully ask this: Are there not all sorts of things that were "birthed" in mysticism or even paganism that we never blink at? If so, has the Holy Spirit given you pause about any of those things? If not, why not?

And, in case you may not be able to immediately think of any such things, might I suggest a few things that were "birthed" in mysticism/paganism/occult that we do all the time and never attach any unholy meaning or quality to it? Such as: Christmas; Julian calendars; wedding rings (and most jewelry for that matter); birthday observations.

If not occultic, then certainly of the "spirit of the age" and the order of this world is would be dressing up for church (Wesley condemned it as worldly and that people should be "cheap as well as plain" in their dress for church), the addition of pews and organs and choirs.

My question is --- and by the way, I'm in favor of dispensing with all of the above and have no problem with us all dropping every single one of them to be perfectly honest --- if we are not cognizant of the attachments to the spirit of the world or the spirits of wickedness in high places, are we serving them if we engage in activity that happened to have an origin in unholy roots? How far does our burden go to make sure we're not doing such activity?

And, finally, is acupuncture somehow an exception to any of these questions?

I appreciate the time you take to address my genuine concern.

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JFW Aug 23, 2016

Sister Sandra,

First off I am very sorry for the pain your mother is experiencing and can only imagine how you all feel witnessing it and not being in a position to give relief to your mom short of the comfort of a loving touch and prayer which both def help:)

I have had acupuncture once and it worked very well and never had to return for additional treatments but mine wasn't a chronic issue as your mom is experiencing... Personally I'd prolly seek the help necessary to help my mom unless the Lord Himself directed otherwise in prayer.

Will def lift your mom up to our Father:)

sermonindex Aug 23, 2016

by dolfan on 2016/8/23 13:31:39

Lesyoung,

Question: Does everything that is 'birthed' in mysticism become altogether to be avoided by Christians? And, are you aware of any actual instance where Christians availing themselves of acupuncture experienced evil caused by the fact that they availed themselves of acupuncture?

I have decided to stay away from green tea and ginseng, now.

Dolfan, stay away from the herbs that mystic pagans use.
http://www.bellybytes.com/herbs/herbal-mysticism.html

sermonindex Aug 23, 2016

Ha Tim, you're such a lawyer. I'm smiling because my own brother is a lawyer and has confronted me on various issues to make me think 🙂
And Julius, your sarcasm about herbs was not lost on me.
There are many things that fall under the category Paul refers to in 1Cor. 8 under the topic " food sacrificed to idols" where we are no worse if we do not eat it and no better if we do." 8:8 And these things refer to exercise of our freedom in Christ, using wisdom so as not to make a "weaker" brother stumble.
Traditions that have been handed down in the church, or the culture like the Julian calendar, Christmas trees, organs or guitars..I do believe one can live peaceably without going into a legalistic tirade. 🙂 By the way, been there, done that. Have learned wisdom over the years.

Have learned that without love I am a clanging gong, however when I get a red flag in my spirit about something from the Holy Spirit, I do want to obey.
Like Blaine Bearmaster would say " Danger, danger Will Robinson".

Before I was baptized in Holy Spirit I wasn't so sensitive.
I do stay far away from witchcraft that is clearly defined in Old and New Testament. Anytime (fill in the blank) witchcraft,sorcery tries to usurp God's power, there is danger. You probably would agree with me on that: in Acts 19:18-20 " Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to 50,000 drachmas. In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power."

I just think we do need to be obedient when the Lord reveals something to us. Where I live there is a Yoga center, a witchcraft store, a culture that adores Hallween darkness, gay bars and regular bars, Palm readers and channelers and Mormon Ward houses. Jesus has not told me to move but to pray for people to be set free from darkness. And as he leads I carry the light of Jesus within me. I'm praying against the darkness, brother, and I can't afford to play around with the darkness.

You prayed for me in SLC and others one week and I prayed for you and , that was good 🙂 I do sense God moving when we pray for one another.

There are spiritual forces at war with us but we don't battle against flesh and blood people. I remind myself self of this continually so Isaiah 61 is a reality to me.

I had the experience of knowing my sister in law and saw the tragedy of her life without Christ and seeing the choices she made to choose healing through acupuncture as her career.

I do know many Christians who do not set themselves apart from witchcraft and they are playing with fire. God cannot be mocked.

You may not agree with me but it is more important that you hear from God.
Not me! I do read and listen to the wisdom and discussions here. I am challenged by many of you here in my walk, I am grateful. I just don't think I'm gonna back peddle on the acupuncture. I would like to hear testimony from a Chinese person about it too, Todd

Sis L

sermonindex Aug 24, 2016

I have a question for everyone?

What is yoga and tai chi without the eastern meditation?

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ginnyrose Aug 24, 2016

Thanks! y'all for your input.

It appears I am still at square 1 in knowing what to do. Mom has been afflicted for two weeks...and there were times I was sure she was close to death and so did she...she made apologies, expressed concern for her children, grands, etc....this alone is remarkable considering what a strong-willed person she is.

And we are getting physically exhausted caring for her - there are four of us doing it in rotation. My body is feeling older then it has in a while.

Thanks for the prayers offered on our behalf. We need enabling grace to cope.

Sandra

sermonindex Aug 24, 2016

by ginnyrose on 2016/8/23 10:06:03

I have been told by Christian physicians and other concerned Believers this is a procedure a Believer does not want to pursue.

Did they go into detail and tell you why? Can you share that with us?

Has any one here had it done with no spiritual repercussions?

Sandra

No spiritual repercussions here. I had no check in my spirit from the Lord.

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dolfan Aug 24, 2016

J, Tae bo????? :)

sermonindex Aug 24, 2016

Close, Dolfan.

It is stretching and exercise, so I've got to give it to you. :-)

sermonindex Aug 24, 2016

Praying, dear sister.

Is any among you afflicted? Let him pray...
Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up...
James 5:13-16

Was compelled to send these scriptures.

Sister Leslie

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Heydave Aug 24, 2016

I think with things like acupuncture it depends on the actual practitioner and their philosophy.

For example, I went to an Osteopath for a back problem. (osteopathic treatment treats the mechanics of the body, by manipulating the bones, joints and muscles, which is good for back and joint pain treatment. However some osteopaths take it further into a mystical treatment for any condition, which makes no scientific rational - I would avoid these types).

During my treatment I was advised by the Osteopath he was going to use some acupuncture to free up some of the muscles that were too tight. I was very reluctant at first, because I had always been told that acupuncture was a bad thing spiritually. However without any prompting from me, he was quick to point out that the way he uses acupuncture was purely 'physiological' and not based on any mumbo jumbo (to use his words) that the Chinese believe. They have discovered that the acupuncture needle when put into the affected area cause an endorphin reaction that relives the tension and pain and allowing them to better manipulate the joints and muscles. It certainly worked for me and I am happy with this type of use.

So I would suggest that if acupuncture is used for the right reasons to do what it actually does, it is a good treatment used along side others. I would avoid if it is used to try and offer a solution to something that has not physical connection to it application.

BTW years of general physiotherapy had no benefit for my back problems, but the treatment I got through the Osteopath relieved the problem in one half hour treatment.

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Heydave Aug 24, 2016

Just an additional thought to my above post. Shingles is a very painful condition that comes out of the body's nervous system (my wife had it recently), so I think that there is a good possibility that acupuncture could give some pain relief as it acts on the nervous system, even if it does not get rid of it. You would need to check out if you were happy with the practitioner and planned treatment. Shingles will eventually go by itself, but it is painful while you have it.

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jochbaptist Aug 24, 2016

The Nei Jing is the earliest book written on Chinese Medicine. It was compiled around 305-204 B.C. and consists of two parts:

The Su Wen (Plain Questions) and the Ling Shu (Miraculous Pivot or Spiritual Axis).

The Ling Shu’s focus is acupuncture, description of the meridians, functions of the acupuncture points, needling techniques, types of Qi and location of 160 points.

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