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sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Brethren,
May God richly bless you all. I have decided to stop posting on the forums (& I can almost hear a hearty amen from some, I'm sure 😊). I may find it expedient & beneficial & edifying to post something specific from time to time for the Body's consideration. But I can no longer continue to post back and forth with certain brethren on here on subjects of eschatology & specifically/especially on the subject of Israel. The reason? If I was totally naive & I knew less than I know, I could do it & let a disagreement be a disagreement, but that's not the case & I just can't pretend it is. There is an agenda at work here. I happen to know this for a fact. I have discerned it early on (& given the benefit of the doubt MANY, MANY times), have received from the Lord when troubled & praying/fasting over this issue ("is it me Lord?"), & have run across more direct information about people, where they are coming from, what their real intentions & agendas (& sources) are than I even wished/care to, but nevertheless, it is what is & it actually just confirmed what the Lord had already given me checks in my spirit of, then a dream with a vision in it, then cold hard indisputable direct evidence. I can't truly "know" something & act as if I don't. And my love is for God, His Word, His people, His love & plans for the lost, & yes, even His sovereign plan for the house of Israel in the days ahead. That little bit of weakness may sound loony or "unlearned" to some, but that's ok. I'm ok with that. Other brothers on here can better express their thoughts on the scriptures without coming across as emotional & passionate than I on these matters, especially since the Lord "peeled back the curtain" on some of this & I know the root sources of where this plant is springing up. May God, & man, forgive me when I have been "too headstrong" (thanks for the admonition Mark), & may God bring those things in darkness to the light in His time. That's His job, not mine.

On another note, I am already planning with brethren, Lord willing, to visit Northern Iraqi Kurdistan in the Middle East next year, and to search the Lord for "what's next" in His will for me and my family, studying Islam & apologetics & evangelism specifically to Muslims, praying about that work & how (& where) I can best serve in it before the Lord, & currently praying for & ministering to my own family. I need to eliminate the time I have been spending here on SI & replace it with prayer for my children. I know this inside by the Holy Spirit & the Lord graciously confirmed it to me in a crystal clear concrete way in a dream (2 actually). So that's what Intend to do. I know some people think I have victimized Julius. That's not been my heart, nor my intent, but I know some of the agenda on here is. I have asked about things I Have asked (that have gone unanswered) for a reason. Anyways, I am done here. And if we disagree on the AC, or FP, or even the Millineaum, or whatever, that's fine and that's understandable as believers have disagreed about these things for a long time. I have some strong beliefs that get stronger the more I study & the Lord shows me the errors/flaws of some other modern popular teachers & continues to reveal (rhema) through the study, dreams (confirming, no "new revelation"), etc. But to totally negate the Word on Israel? When God says what He says plain as day through Paul (& warns against such arrogance with "or you too may be cut off"), looking at God's sovereign Grace & election for these people in the beginning &'at the end, etc. to me is a bigger deal. A lot bigger. And baffling at times the type of thing that will be highlighted (out of context) to "prove" it, the types of clear and plain passages that will be ignored that don't fit the narrative, & the type of teachers & people that will be exalted and propagated to try to make Israel out to be the devil himself, or even say that the Jews now are not even Jews/Israel at all! Even turning to lost, reprobate, liberal non-believers who deny the Word of God & the Gospel as "proof" of it? What? This is not normal. It's not logical. It's not Biblical. It's clearly a spiritual/discernment issue as far as I can tell &'based on the scriptures.

Anyways, I am moving on. I have REALLY enjoyed some of the threads and conversation/exchange with so many brothers on here: Greg, Paul (good to see you back again), Frank, Docs, Dfella, TMK, Bearmaster, Lysa, JFW, & SO MANY others (forgive me as I am tired so I'm forgetting key people I know - I have had Strep throat for 3 days now). I know some will rejoice to see me go, internally if not blatantly, & that's fine too. I have no ought in my heart against anyone here. I mean that & say it with a clear conscience before God. I do fear for some of the strange doctrines and teachings presented here at times, but ultimately, that isn't my primary responsibility before God & I want more time to pray for & minister to my family, to study for my calling/work, & to seek and save that which is lost. Those are clearly my callings from God at this time. Anyone who would like can email me to stay in touch & I pray God will bless you all!

Blessings & Grace to you In the name of Jesus - Jeff

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brothagary Aug 26, 2016

Well I'll miss your posts ,Iv read most all of the posts regarding this issue, and I never once thought you were out of line ,nor did I feel in my spirit that you were negative,or of a bad spirit , it was all seasoned with grace in my opinion ..


God bless you in your mission , may God fill you continually to do his work ....

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Thanks bro! (You are one of the many ones I forgot). Thanks for your kind words. A cup of cold water to me! See you at the Wedding Supper of the Lamb!

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Brother,

It is good to hear the practical things the Holy Spirit is putting on your heart to do (James 1:22). May the Lord bless you and enable you to continue to grow greatly in your spiritual walk with Him.

SermonIndex Forums as you have alluded to is not a teaching platform for any brother to espouse their own special ideas over a period of time. It is a place to grow, learn, serve and comment on the godly sermons found on this website. The people I see that do not grow well in their walks with the Lord are those who are more busy sharing their own ideas then listening to godly anointed preaching and repenting of their ways. Discipleship and practically walking with the Lord is what matters not nuances of theological systems etc.

I am glad for certain things you shared brother and of course we can all look back and learn how we have not humbled ourselves amongst brethren we disagree with.

God bless you on your continued Christian journey.

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Greg,
Thanks for your wise & gracious words. I'm definitely Still in need of growing in grace brother, everyday!
Blessings in the name of Jesus,
Jeff

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StirItUp Aug 26, 2016

Hi Jeff,

I am one of the new kids on the SI block so probably haven't spent enough time here yet to understand all the different points of view doctrinally etc. but it certainly makes for interesting conversations :)
I understand your concern though, especially for the "unlearned" in the Scriptures and that they may be led astray. I believe most can stand their ground and can discern truth from error...at least I hope so.
Your posts have always been scripturally accurate and edifying and you put a lot of time and effort in, and I appreciate that, brother.
May the Lord bless you and your family as you serve Him and strive to make His Name great!

Will miss your input but am sure we'll meet again :)

Blessings,

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Jeff l am sorry to see you go as l enjoy your contributions despite disagreeing with you regarding Israel which l never feel like arguing over, and l find you very good at expressing yourself and always interesting.

You have a good heart but you have become a bit over the top with Julius and won't just leave it over the points of disagreements with him and it does look like you are hounding him at times though not in the same way of NDY and Rev who are just downright nasty bits of work. Your language towards him lacks grace at times. I don't think you see it though possibly because you are under stress.

So l would second that advice for you to take a break until you can take part again more moderately. Agree about the agenda btw.

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docs Aug 26, 2016

I'll try and keep in touch.

An incredible and unsought after blessing came to me very recently and I may get to make the same trip you just made to the land where Jesus walked. Sometimes the Lord still actually surprises His children with blessings they don't feel that they deserve.

Thank you and bless you for your commitment to the Lord.

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William,
Thank you for your kind words.
God Bless,
Jeff

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Brenda,
Thank you. As far as not letting it go, I have some very clear reasons for which I can't share, but the Lord will judge it one day I know. I know I don't always handle applying what I can see/discern that the Lord shows me perfectly, but it can honestly be tough & easy to be misunderstood & criticized by others who may not be seeing all that you are. That's really all I can say about it. I know I am imperfect & in need of growing in grace in application of my gifting/calling at times though. I admit that. You should have seen this "squawking bird" 10 years ago. 😊 Anyways, thanks for your kind words. And come find me at the wedding supper of the Lamb to discuss then this whole situation & the unfathomable wisdom & ways of God in what He did with Israel. 😉
God Bless,
Jeff

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Docs,
That's awesome brother! I know you'll enjoy it. If you aren't yet familiar with him, I would suggest Ray Vandar Laan's Faith Lessons From The Peomised Land "That the World May Know" video teachings on site in all of Israel and the ancient world. Great for bringing out deep truths from the Word & the Land. Some of his stuff you can find on YouTube for free - others you can buy online for download or DVD. I have all of it. Good stuff. I Don't agree with him on every minor point always, but find his studies overall to be amazing (he is "pan-trib", "pan-millineal" & never even touched Israel in eschatology, but you will see even the meat that relates there in what he teaches and be blessed. I know you will). Definitely Keep in touch.
God Bless,
Jeff

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MrBillPro Aug 26, 2016

God Bless you brother Jeff, trust me in the days ahead, you will feel a little burden has been lifted away. Wise is he who refuses to compromise righteousness.

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Thanks MrBillPro,
I actually already do! 😊👍🙏🏻☝️💪🏻👊
Blessings & peace,
Jeff

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Jeff take care

We are on the same page, more than you think perhaps

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Ditto

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Dear Bro Jeff,
I have appreciated your Berean tenacity and wondered how you handled all your various responsibilities while writing so prolifically. But there is no doubt in my mind that the fire is in your bones for Jesus Christ!

Thanks for sharing your testimony of deliverance from death to life in Christ! Never stop! Praying for you and your family.

In Christ,
Sis Leslie

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Leslie,
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. Again, a cup of cold water for refreshing!
God Bless,
Jeff

sermonindex Aug 26, 2016

Rev & NDY,
Thanks & God Bless. A word of admonition though not to fall into sarcasm, verbal vehemence, or a wrong spirit. We can be wrong in spirit even if right in what we are saying/defending. And that's not just aimed at you, as I have seen others do it from the other side of these issues in their way (we all tend to defend "our way" of doing it & attack & accuse others'- such is the nature of self-justifying flesh). Be willing to admit & humble yourselves too. I'm Not asking you to capitulate, compromise or cater to it either - just to strive to do it in love, grace and truth & in a right spirit. In this, you will do more good for what is true concerning the Lord, Israel, etc. & not further damage those who may be "on the fence" & have only the nature of the exchange by which to initially judge truth from error. I have to remember this myself at times:

"If people disagree or despise you, let it be for your position & not your disposition."

Anyways, God Bless you both!
Jeff

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Thnaks Jeff. The battle is the Lords.

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Amen! That's right, & we don't want to ever be counted with the "Sons of Thunder" in Luke 9:

51When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. 52And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make preparations for him. 53But the people did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. 54And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” 55But he turned and rebuked them. 56And they went on to another village.

Now, these 2 weren't forever cast away, but we're rebuked by Jesus and restored, & will be sitting on the thrones judging, but they were rebuked (& earned the nickname of "sons of thunder" among men as a result, which was not a compliment, but a reminder). Remember humility. I'm talking to myself right now too. And I don't mean fake humility as a show and a cover-up for deception, but true humility, from the heart. You will always be accused of "harshness" even when you speak truth in the spirit (Paul, Jesus, John, Peter, James, Jude, & many famous saints of prophetic Ilk down through the ages like Tozer, Ravenhill, Brown, Katz, etc. we're accused of such for speaking truth), but you just make sure your heart is pure before the Lord in all things & remember the battle is in fact His. And THEN humbly & boldly speak truth and "let the chips fall where they may". Discernment & Criticism are two different things. Prophetic spiritual declaration & flesh-empowered bashing are two different things. May we all find the right balance in spirit and truth I these things so that we need not be ashamed at His coming, amen?
God Bless!
Jeff

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