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Who Then Can Be Saved? By Chip Brogden

sermonindex Nov 6, 2016

"Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3, ESV).
The religious are still in the position of Nicodemus - coming to Jesus, acknowledging Him as something special, discussing His teachings, liking His teachings, and even sharing those teachings with others - but unable to enter the Kingdom, unable to see the Kingdom, unable to comprehend anything spiritual or heavenly, unable to discern or perceive the true significance of God’s Purpose in Christ, unable to get beyond the mental, logical, emotional, or physical realm of their religiosity.

Nicodemus failed to comprehend the spiritual consequence and heavenly requirement of being "born again" nor could he grasp the reason for it. I am afraid that many who now claim to be "born again" are no further along than Nicodemus in terms of seeing the Kingdom of God. Yet seeing and entering into the Kingdom of God is the reason why Jesus said we MUST be born again.

Latching onto these words of Jesus, many people today will indeed claim to be "born again." They have learned the correct terminology. But is that all we need to be concerned with? Is it possible that a person has learned to say they are "born again" simply because that is what they have been taught to say? Is it the phraseology that Jesus wants us to have or the actual experience of being born from above, born of the Spirit?

Although it is the exact same thing as being "born again", most cannot answer what being "born from above" or "born of the Spirit" means because that has not entered into their vocabulary yet. But they all know what "born again" means - it means to be a Christian! Even if they can describe it, the answer sounds too pat, like something learned at catechism class and recited as a theological doctrine instead of a something that has resulted from a life-changing encounter with the Risen Lord.

Today with so many "born again" people claiming salvation without the accompanying evidences and fruits of repentance, Jesus might well be saying to them, "You have made an intellectual decision to embrace the Christian religion, and you have confessed a certain level of agreement with Me and My teachings; and for that, they consider you ‘born again.’ But mental acceptance, doctrinal agreement, and canned confession is not enough for you to be My disciple. Your first born-again experience under the auspices of religion is seriously flawed. Leave that ground now and come to Me; experience new birth the way I intended it from the beginning. You must be born again - again! "

What does it really mean to be "born again"? It cannot be explained with an A.B.C. kind of three-step scientific process. Spiritual birth is a revolutionary thing, something that strikes so deeply into the core of a person that they find it impossible to go on as before. It is a change of heart, which causes a change of mind, which results in a dramatic change of behavior and values. It is nothing short of a death, burial, and resurrection.

In Saul of Tarsus you have a graphic example of the born-again person. Like Nicodemus, Saul was also a teacher and a master of Israel but was just as ignorant as Nicodemus was concerning Jesus of Nazareth. Then something happened to Saul. Now Saul is different. Someone from another realm reached down and grabbed him. He saw the Light in the very truest sense of the word, and it was no insignificant flicker of understanding dreamed up in his own imagination - it was a bright and shining Light that burned through him and rendered his physical eyes absolutely impotent. He had heard the Voice, and that Voice was calling his name - "Saul, Saul! Why are you persecuting Me?"

Saul saw and heard something completely above and beyond the realm of his ordinary religious existence, something so wonderful and inexpressible that his highest and best possible thoughts and beliefs about God up until that point were now considered dung, waste, manure, garbage, and refuse - Saul’s words, not mine.

There on the road to Damascus he met Jesus. That meeting changed the course of his life and even the course of history. The outcome of that meeting was not merely an adjustment to his personal theology, or an intellectual re-evaluating of his doctrinal position on the subject of the Kingdom of God. It was the radical, foundation-destroying, earth-shattering crisis of finally seeing Jesus as He in fact is and being compelled to bow down and worship this Person: and to hell with everything he had preached, taught, thought, believed, and done before THAT day! THAT day was the day of his new birth.

You must know THAT is a supernatural happening, because the religious will not willingly give up their doctrines and their beliefs for anyone or anything. Far from giving them up, they will attack (and if possible, kill) those who hold to different doctrines and beliefs, and will find Scriptural justification for stoning those who oppose them. A person like that does not just wake up one day and decide to change. They are beyond the reach of any ordinary, human witness.

When I look at people who are recommended to me and I read their testimonies I often struggle to find the moment in which they were "born again - again". I look for their road to Damascus experience that transformed them from a religious zealot into a disciple of the Living Lord. Most of the time I do not find this at all, but instead, I find a long, boring list of ministries and churches and movements they have been involved with. And this history is not recounted for the purpose of counting it all dung so that Christ may be embraced as Enough, but is rehearsed for the purpose of establishing the supposed authority and credentials of the person in question.

Have you met the Person that Paul met? In his letter to the Romans, this same Saul (now known as Paul) would write, "If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Rom. 10:9). If we approach this with a scientific analysis and lift this statement up and separate it from the man who wrote it then we would have a formula for "how to be saved." And this is what many people do. But they overlook the road to Damascus meeting with Jesus that formed the basis of this confession and belief. Paul was not led in a prayer to confess the Lord Jesus, nor was he quizzed as to his belief concerning the resurrection of Jesus. Had you witnessed to him he would have flatly denied both the Lordship and the resurrection of Christ and would have you cast into prison for heresy.

Paul’s confession and the belief did not lead to this encounter with Jesus; it was the encounter with Jesus that led to his confession and belief! How quickly we forget - if we ever really understand it at all - that "you have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you" (Jn 15:16a). We have been taught to say we are saved by grace (once again, employing the correct phraseology) but we secretly believe we had something to do with it: it was our prayer, our faith, our confession, our belief, our walking the aisle, our joining the church, our decision that saved us. Heaven is our reward for making the right decision, unlike so many poor ignorant sinners who made the wrong decision!

But Jesus says, "No man can come to me unless the Father draws him" (Jn 6:44) and Paul declares that "No man can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ but by the Holy Spirit" (I Cor. 12:3b). Paul could confess Jesus as Lord and believe Jesus was risen from the dead because he did, in fact, meet the Lord Jesus as a Living Person; and that was the result of Jesus coming to Paul, not Paul coming to Jesus!

"Who then can be saved?" the disciples asked Jesus (cf. Mt. 19:25,26). The answer: "With man it is impossible." Not just difficult, not just really, really hard, but impossible with man. Not do-able. Not attainable. Out of reach.

But Jesus, we have made it so easy to be saved! Three simple steps! A.B.C.! Confess and possess! No, says Jesus. This does not originate with you, and is impossible with men: "But with God, all things are possible!" Something from Above is required, something big enough and strong enough and powerful enough to knock a person to the ground and take their breath away.

One moment of seeing is worth a lifetime of being preached to. May God open our eyes.

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StirItUp Nov 6, 2016

Strong word!

Soli Deo Gloria!

sermonindex Nov 6, 2016

Quote: "Spiritual birth is a revolutionary thing, something that strikes so deeply into the core of a person that they find it impossible to go on as before. It is a change of heart, which causes a change of mind, which results in a dramatic change of behavior and values. It is nothing short of a death, burial, and resurrection."

Yes!

This is the fruit we see among our brothers and sisters in persecution. Life can only come from death.

Philippians 3:10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

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TMK Nov 6, 2016

https://youtu.be/IEchYUDgqDo

sermonindex Nov 6, 2016

So if our conversion was not like Paul's, then we are not saved.

Thanks sermonindex, for yet another article that tells me I'm going to hell, just because I've not had the right kind of experience.

sermonindex Nov 6, 2016

So were you saved by something you did or by what something that God in Christ did?

Chip wrote

"We have been taught to say we are saved by grace (once again, employing the correct phraseology) but we secretly believe we had something to do with it: it was our prayer, our faith, our confession, our belief, our walking the aisle, our joining the church, our decision that saved us. Heaven is our reward for making the right decision, unlike so many poor ignorant sinners who made the wrong decision!"

sermonindex Nov 6, 2016

Ugh, another slightly knee jerk reaction from myself. Sorry.

Of course I'm not saved by anything I have done. I totally trust Christ to save me. I have no other hope. I have not seen a flash of light like Paul did however, and even the experiential doctrine of the 'witness of the Sprit still eludes me.

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Jasmine Nov 7, 2016

I sooooo agree!

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

That video does not proclaim the Gospel. It is true that the sinner is selfish but the truth is that he can not do anything about it.

How does a sinner become a saint?

By faith alone in God and in the good news of what He has already done.

Whatever is not of faith is sin!

And do not forget that God Himself supplies the required faith in the form of a gift.

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

But a gift can be recieved or rejected.

-bbs-

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

Yes - that is true.

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TMK Nov 7, 2016

The video explains why the church today is so anemic- because salvation is taught as something for us rather than something for God.

A self serving gospel is not the gospel, but that is what people are fed.

Your repeated statements that man has no responsibility to repent,etc is dangerous IMO and is foreign to scripture.

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

Grace gives us the ability to respond.

We do need to believe - repent and take hold of the Gospel message.

It is God who justifies the ungodly.

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Gal. 3:8, "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."

edit: added scripture

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

AS they heard the Gospel they responded in faith and their hearts were cleansed by faith.

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StirItUp Nov 7, 2016

"I have not seen a flash of light like Paul did however, and even the experiential doctrine of the 'witness of the Sprit still eludes me."

Jon, please explain what you mean by " experiential " doctrine.

Is our whole Christian faith not experience as well?

The witness of the Spirit within is clearly taught in scripture, not sure how else one will know that one has been born again?

sermonindex Nov 7, 2016

William

I am aware that the witness is sometimes described in different ways. I think what I am referring to is something like what John Wesley described:

"while he was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I felt my heart strangely warmed. I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death."

This experience is foreign to me, depsite praying for it for many years.

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StirItUp Nov 7, 2016

Jon,

I have learned that our experience may differ as Christians and of course what matters is believing in our hearts and confessing Jesus as Lord with our mouths and living our lives in righteousness, loving one another as Christ loved us.

Concerning the" witness" of the Spirit; I think of scriptures like:" He who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him. By this we know that he remains in us, by the Spirit which he gave us."
"By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit."
Jesus said that He would be in us as a spring springing up to Eternal Life and that rivers of living water would flow from our bellies ( speaking of the Holy Spirit coming into believers hearts and flowing from us )
So, for me, the witness of the Spirit is simply the Holy Spirit giving us new birth when we believe in the Lord Jesus and in dwelling us from that moment on. If this is not your experience I encourage you to take God at His word and just thank Him for giving you His Holy Spirit and simply acknowledge His presence within you and with your mouth surrender control of you life completely to Him. He Himself will give you assurance of His presence.

God bless,

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BranchinVINE Nov 8, 2016

"School of Christ" by T. Austin-Sparks:

http://www.austin-sparks.net/english/books/school_of_christ_the.html


"I agree with Brother Austin-Sparks that no man is of any use to God, in eternal values, if he has no settled assurance that he is accepted in the Beloved. Also, the true man of God must fully accept the fundamental principle that ”“ OF HIMSELF HE CAN DO NOTHING, AND ALL THINGS ARE OF AND OUT OF GOD.
"This is a book you will want to read many times. It was during my third reading that its truth finally dawned on me. It has affected my preaching, my outlook on life, and intensified my hunger for the glorious liberty of the Cross. We believe this book is destined by God to bless and edify numerous spiritually hungry ministers and laymen.” --- David Wilkerson


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BranchinVINE Nov 9, 2016

I would say that every Christian did have a supernatural experience that brought them to Christ.

To some, the experience may rock their physical senses. Paul had his. And Chip Brogden had his as he tells in his story:

"One Sunday evening in August, 1983, our family joined the church - and my destiny changed.
What usually happened is you would go forward during the service, the pastor would announce your joining, and then he would lay hands on you and pray for you, receiving you into the fellowship.
So there we were - my father, mother, younger brother, and younger sister - lined up across the front of the church, and the pastor was laying hands on each of us and praying over us.
I started shaking.
It was embarrassing!
I thought, "Why am I shaking? I'm not afraid."
I tried to make myself stop shaking but I couldn't.
When the pastor got to me, I had my eyes closed.
He paused in front of me and didn't say anything, and I wondered, "What's taking so long?"
But I didn't open my eyes.
Then I heard him say, "The Spirit of God is all over this boy!"
(He sounded a little bit amazed.)
I certainly wasn't expecting THAT, and I sure didn't plan on what happened next...
The pastor touched my head, and before he could say anything, I was GONE.
I mean, I wasn't sure where I went; but I was glad I went.
It was like I had left the earth and had been transported to heaven.
The biggest thing was the JOY.
And right along with that came an incredible PEACE and a powerful PRESENCE that seemed to be rising up from within me.
And LOVE.
I felt one with God.
I cried with the joy, completely unaware of anyone or anything else.
This went on for a long time, and when I opened my eyes, I was lying flat on my back on the floor.
How did I get there?
I became aware of people around me, praying and praising God.
And when I opened my mouth to say something, I was speaking a language I had never learned and didn't know.
I lay there on the floor for a long time, just crying and praising God.”

And that is just wonderful!


But to others, God may simply put a quiet longing in their hearts to seek Him and find Him. And God makes His Word known to them, gives them spiritual sight and spiritual understanding and faith to believe. And without any great physical experience, they wholeheartedly believe.

Given that the carnal mind is enmity against God and the natural man lives by sight, this is absolutely amazing!! Praise the Lord!
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"So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and *said to them, "Peace be with you.” And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples then rejoiced when they saw the Lord….. But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
"After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you.” Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” (John 20:19-29)

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BranchinVINE Nov 10, 2016

THE TESTIMONY OF HANNAH WHITALL SMITH:

"…… "Holiness Methodists” …… held "Holiness Meetings” …… and it was our delight to attend these Meetings whenever we could……

"I found that they talked a great deal about what they called the "blessing of sanctification,” and at every meeting we were urged to come forward to what they called the "altar” (which was really a bench set apart for the purpose) to seek for this "blessing.” Just what the "blessing” was I did not understand, but it seemed to be something very tangible, which resulted from entire consecration and simple faith, and which made people rapturously happy. My "Holiness Sister” soon had me going forward to the "altar” to obtain this "blessing.” I was determined to get whatever there was to be had, and I was more and more fired with enthusiasm by the thrilling testimonies I continually heard on every hand from those who had received the "blessing,” so that I was nothing loth to embrace every opportunity for going to the "altar” to seek it. In fact I enjoyed doing so immensely, for it seemed somehow to bring me to the delicious verge of unknown spiritual possibilities, that might at any moment reveal themselves.

"Apart, however, from this treading as it were, on the threshold, no especial "blessing” ever came to me from these visits to the "altar.” I am not of an emotional nature, and none of the overpowering emotions I heard described, as constituting the "blessing,” ever fell to my portion. But the grand truth that was taught at these Meetings, that the Lord Jesus Christ was a Saviour from the power of sin as well as a Saviour from the guilt of sin, became more and more real and effective to me; but of any blessing, as a blessing, apart from the truth, I realized nothing. A knowledge of the truth was all the blessing I ever received; and although at first I was somewhat disappointed, I came in time to see that a knowledge of the truth was all the "blessing” I needed. And I was gradually convinced that a large part of what was called "the blessing” was simply the emotional response of emotional natures to the discovery of a magnificent truth. To me it came with intellectual conviction and delight, to more emotional natures it came, with emotional conviction and delight, but in both cases the truth was the same, and it was the truth, not the emotion, that set the soul free.

"My husband, however, being of a more emotional nature than myself, did, at one of these Camp Meetings, receive the "blessing” in a true Methodist fashion. He came home full of a divine glow that seemed to affect everybody he met. He could not speak of the Camp Meeting without bringing tears to all our eyes, and it was very evident that he had gone through there a remarkable experience in his spiritual life. He said they had had one day a special meeting to pray for the "Baptism of the Spirit,” and that after the meeting he had gone alone into a retired spot in the woods, to continue the prayer by himself. Suddenly, from head to foot he had been shaken with what seemed like a magnetic thrill of heavenly delight, and floods of glory seemed to pour through him, soul and body, with the inward assurance that this was the longed-for Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The whole world seemed transformed to him, every leaf and blade of grass quivered with exquisite colour, and heaven seemed to open out before him as a present blissful possession. Everybody looked beautiful to him, for he seemed to see the Divine Spirit within each one, without regard to their outward seemings. This ecstasy lasted for several weeks, and was the beginning of a wonderful career of spiritual power and blessing.

"I confess I was rather jealous that I did not receive a like "blessing,” for I felt that I needed it quite as much as he did, and I renewed my efforts to obtain it. But it was all in vain; I never seemed to get out of the region of conviction into the region of emotion, and I found myself compelled to take all my experiences intellectually, and not emotionally. I became convinced at last that the reason of this difference between my experience and that of some others was not that they were peculiarly favoured by God above me, but that their emotional natures received with these floods of emotional delight, the same truths that I received calmly, and with intellectual delight; the difference being, not in the experiences, but in the different natures of the recipients of that experience.

"I have many times since noticed this difference in people’s experiences; and I have also noticed that, very often the emotional experiences have not been as solid and permanent as the more intellectual ones. In the very nature of things emotions are more or less variable, while convictions, where they are really convictions, and are not purely notions or ideas, are permanent. Once convince a man that two and two make four, and no amount of dyspepsia or east wind can change his conviction; while everything that is only a matter of feeling, and not of conviction, is at the mercy of these and a thousand other untoward influences. I learned in time therefore not to seek emotions, but to seek only for convictions, and I found to my surprise and delight that my convictions brought me a far more stable and permanent joy than many of my more emotional friends seemed to experience. In the time of stress, with many of them, their emotions flagged, and even often vanished, and they had hard fights to prevent utter failure and despair, and some of them have been thankful at last to struggle back to the stable ground of conviction, which in their emotional days had seemed so barren and comfortless.”

"I had found that God, just God alone, without anything else, was enough.”


Hannah did not have an awesome experience of the "blessing” that other Methodists had. But she had a solid and joyful faith that endured to the end. She died in 1911 and in one of her last letters she wrote, "I am happy and content..... Indeed, I am rich beyond words in the wisdom and goodness and love of our God. ‘Thou, oh God, art all we want, more than all in Thee we find.’ This God is our God and He is enough!”


[Hannah Whitall Smith (1832-1911) wrote "The Christian’s Secret to a Happy Life” and "God of All Comfort”.]

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