I was wrong
I am sorry
Please forgive me
I made a mistake in judgement
I am not infallible
I need God to help me as much as you do
Please pray for me
I was deceived
I was unforgiving
I rarely pray and my heart is cold
I love money
What strength is in never admitting wrong or even sin?
Christian leaders are just as susceptible to the same weaknesses as ordinary Christians.
So how are you ministering to the minister?
That's because they never are wrong Frank! :)
Seriously though, I have heard a few and have seen some humble leaders.
I wonder if this is not also one of the symptoms of our current church system and the Man of God syndrome?
William
Of course there are some humble leaders. Met one once many years ago
in a far, far away place. He was almost invisible.
And absolutely we are in the mighty man of religion phase or has it aways been that way. Perhaps we could enquire of Hymenaeus and Alexander.
Perhaps it would be better to pray fervently for these leaders than to undermine their standing before others.
In Christ,
Psalm 127: 1
Unless the LORD builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.
Frank,
Have you considered becoming a christian leader, that way you can teach us all how it ought to be done!
Whadaya say?
no satan
I was wrong
I am sorry
Please forgive me
I made a mistake in judgement
I am not infallible
I need God to help me as much as you do
Please pray for me
I was deceived
I was unforgiving
I rarely pray and my heart is cold
I love money
Of course I could easily put myself in all these categories and have admitted my failures many times. I was actually thinking of writing a short devotional thought on the area of "I was wrong" stating that many times I have thought myself right in a situation when I found out I was wrong. Also at times doctrines I held or traditions in a Church that I found where not Biblical or an over-emphasis.
It does take humility and in the end the grace of God for anyone, perhaps especially a Christian leader of any type to change and admit failure in areas of leadership.
One thing I have also learned and hear from brothers is that it is impossible to please everyone all the time and in the end the Lord Himself must be the One we seek to please. That does not excuse hurting anyone on purpose, something I never desire to do.
i am no leader except in my own home.
I can work through these a lot more than I do.
I was wrong---so many times today.
I am sorry---I wish sorrow was more of a work in my heart than a word in my mouth.
Please forgive me---if anyone knew my heart and mind like they do my outward self, they would want me dead. I am an abject sinner and I take advantage of people on a daily basis.
I made a mistake in judgement---those usually start 3 minutes after I wake up.
I am not infallible --- I am not even "ible".
I need God to help me as much as you do --- more, probably. Why would you even listen to me?
Please pray for me --- I need Him.
I was deceived --- by my own heart.
I was unforgiving --- and petted my peeves and stroked my ego at someone else's expense.
I rarely pray and my heart is cold --- and too often I am rote and dishonest before God on many levels and like to pretend I am sincere.
I love money --- and sometimes I know I hate those who do not pull of faking their holiness about it as well as me.
Lord, help.
Why pick on leaders instead of examine ourselves first, especially on this forum?
Will those without sin alone please stand up !
....so we can cast that lying spirit out of you!... :)
Leaders in the body of Christ are held to a much higher standard.
--
1 Timothy 3:1-13 New International Version (NIV)
Qualifications for Overseers and Deacons
3 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.
8 In the same way, deacons[b] are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9 They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.
11 In the same way, the women[c] are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.
12 A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well. 13 Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus.
Tim/Dolfan
Those are good, well thought out add ons you added. Maybe we could write a book!
Frank, it would be a confession the likes of which I don't think anyone would be helped by it. :)
I recently asked a rep of a famous, well regarded church group regarding a speaker they had in their pulpit who was of a dubious character. I did point out some of the issues regarding the speaker on their Facebook page,
Instead of dealing with the issue (they did not disagree with me) they pulled the comments after 5 days and the post disappeared.
So I emailed them regarding this.
The response was: What would the congregants think of the leadership if they had admitted having this man speak was a mistake . So instead of dealing with the mistake they simply removed the post. Humility would of done them good rather than coverup.
Quote: "Leaders in the body of Christ are held to a much higher standard."
Yes but Why do we look at the speck in our leader's eye, but fail to notice the beam in our own eyes?
Maybe because some of us do not pretend to be the mighty and untouchable , infallible "special" servants of the Lord .
EDIT: I have been shown the log of bitterness in my own eye. Frank, I ask you to pray for me.
Frank,
Your tone is very accusative. In other people who speak about leaders with a similar tone, I have found that they are harboring unforgiveness or jealousy. A recent example continually harps on a brother who has faithfully served for decades but has acknowledged error he has fallen into over the years and repented. The harper himself is backslidden and full of jealousy because no one has acknowledged him in addition to all the theological error he holds. I'm not saying this is you. The reason I brought this up is because they way your writing comes across is very bitter. As it is written in Hebrews:
Hebrews 12:14-15 KJV
[14] Follow peace with all men , and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: [15] Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you , and thereby many be defiled;
If this is not your condition, let's clarify it and set it aside.
Jeremy221 wrote,
"Frank,
Your tone is very accusative. In other people who speak about leaders with a similar tone, I have found that they are harboring unforgiveness or jealousy."
Jeremy221,
You've discerned correctly! This is not an isolated post from him, some of his other posts are similar.
Take note, he never did reply to clarify, as you requested.
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