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The superiority of the Spirit over the written Word - John Chrysostom

sermonindex Dec 15, 2016


"It were indeed meet for us not at all to require the aid of the written Word, but to exhibit a life so pure, that the grace of the Spirit should be instead of books to our souls, and that as these are inscribed with ink, even so should our hearts be with the Spirit. But, since we have utterly put away from us this grace, come, let us at any rate embrace the second best course.

"For that the former was better, God has made manifest, both by His words, and by His doings. Since unto Noah, and unto Abraham, and unto his offspring, and unto Job, and unto Moses too, He discoursed not by writings, but Himself by Himself, finding their mind pure. But after the whole people of the Hebrews had fallen into the very pit of wickedness, then and thereafter was a written word, and tables, and the admonition which is given by these.

"And this one may perceive was the case, not of the saints in the Old Testament only, but also of those in the New. For neither to the apostles did God give anything in writing, but instead of written words He promised that He would give them the grace of the Spirit: for He, says our Lord, shall bring all things to your remembrance. John 14:26 And that you may learn that this was far better, hear what He says by the Prophet: I will make a new covenant with you, putting my laws into their mind, and in their heart I will write them, and, they shall be all taught of God. And Paul too, pointing out the same superiority, said, that they had received a law not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

"But since in process of time they made shipwreck, some with regard to doctrines, others as to life and manners, there was again need that they should be put in remembrance by the written word."

- First Homily on the Gospel of Matthew

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StirItUp Dec 15, 2016

Good word.

" Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"

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Just how is the Spirit superior over the God's written word? Jesus is the Word made flesh.

John 1: 1-3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were created through Him, and without Him nothing was created that was created.
14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, the glory as the only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

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Just how is the Spirit superior over the God's written word? Jesus is the Word made flesh.

Well said brother, that is worthy for us to meditate on.

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dolfan Dec 15, 2016

Charitably reading Chrysostom's point, he longs for that writing on our hearts of the Word of God by the Holy Spirit as the best demonstration of the written Word rather than the objectification of that writing as a 'thing'. Right minds can differ on him, there, for sure.

On a personal note, I find the revelation of God as Word to be fascinating. Before I was a Christian, I was a geek about words. Still am a "word nerd". In college, one of the authors I am fortunate to have read was Neil Postman. His book, Technopoly, is excellent if you are interested in the philosophy of words and the opposing philosophy of images and the impact of each on our psyche. It hearkens back to the commandment forbidding graven images and the revelation of Christ and John's statements "and the Word was God" and "we beheld His glory".

For those interested in this, the first chapter of Postman's book (and he has others, one of which I have recommended here before), Technopoly, please read here.

(Please forgive posting a link if this violates a rule.)

http://rws511.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/68739355/Postman_thamus.pdf

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4th century mystic John Chrysostom believed that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased after the New Testament era.

He also believed in purgatory and taught people to pray for the dead, writing, "Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice [Job 1:5], why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them”.
(Homilies on First Corinthians 41:5) [A.D. 392]

"Weep for those who die in their wealth and who with all their wealth prepared no consolation for their own souls, who had the power to wash away their sins and did not will to do it. Let us weep for them, let us assist them to the extent of our ability, let us think of some assistance for them, small as it may be, yet let us somehow assist them. But how, and in what way? By praying for them and by entreating others to pray for them, by constantly giving alms to the poor on their behalf. Not in vain was it decreed by the apostles that in the awesome mysteries remembrance should be made of the departed. They knew that here there was much gain for them, much benefit. When the entire people stands with hands uplifted, a priestly assembly, and that awesome sacrificial Victim is laid out, how, when we are calling upon God, should we not succeed in their defense? But this is done for those who have departed in the faith, while even the catechumens are not reckoned as worthy of this consolation, but are deprived of every means of assistance except one. And what is that? We may give alms to the poor on their behalf”.
(Homilies on Philippians 3:9”“10) [A.D. 402]

Furthermore, he believed that the communion bread and wine became the body and blood of Jesus when consecrated. He wrote that no one can partake of Christ or be saved outside the Church and faith thereof (which foreshadows Catholicism).

Incredibly, he railed against those who abstained from alcohol, and encouraged violence against blasphemers: "Paul is not ashamed, and does not blush, after the many and great signs which he had displayed even by a simple word; yet, in writing to Timothy, to bid him take refuge in the healing virtue of wine drinking. Not that to drink wine is shameful. God forbid! For such precepts belong to heretic … But since our discourse has now turned to the subject of blasphemy, I desire to ask one favor of you all, in return for this my address, and speaking with you; which is, that you will correct on my behalf the blasphemers of this city [i.e., blaspheming against God by saying that wine is evil] And should you hear anyone in the public thoroughfare, or in the midst of the forum, blaspheming God; go up to him and rebuke him; and should it be necessary to inflict blows, spare not to do so. Smite him on the face; strike his mouth; sanctify your hand with the blow, and if any should accuse you, and drag you to the place of justice, follow them thither; and when the judge on the bench calls you to account, say boldly that the man blasphemed the King of angels! For if it be necessary to punish those who blaspheme an earthly king, much more so those who insult God.” (Homilies on the Statues 1,7)

Lastly, John Chrysostom was terribly anti-Semitic, comparing, in his Adversus Judaeos (Against the Jews) homily, the synagogue to a pagan temple, representing it as the source of all vices and heresies. He described it as a place worse than a brothel and a drinking shop; it was a den of scoundrels, the repair of wild beasts, a temple of demons, the refuge of brigands and debauchees, and the cavern of devils, a criminal assembly of the assassins of Christ. Chrysostom hated both the synagogue and the Jews, saying that demons dwell in the synagogue and also in the souls of the Jews, and describing them as growing fit for slaughter. The Nazis quoted him (and Martin Luther) during the Holocaust.

Again, I do not look to (wrongly) celebrated men, but to the Word of God.

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Brother Alec

Always enjoyed your guitar playing and Robin Mark hairdo at TSC!
And yes this guy was really quite the heretic sadly.

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4th century mystic John Chrysostom believed that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased after the New Testament era.

Brother Alec,

When reading Church history we have to have grace towards leaders as they were simply men who did not see in full and some circumstances around them caused them to be in error at times or imbalanced.


towards cessationism he simply writes about tongues and notices that what occurred then was not happening their midst:

Chrysostom (d.407) ”“ writing on 1 Corinthians and the gift of tongues said, "This whole place is very obscure; but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now? Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity hath produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more?". (AD 347”“407)[21]

He did teach about "purgatory" but along with many church fathers stated varied beliefs of praying for those deceased who did not know the Lord yet. Perhaps one thought why they would think more this way we do not, is that they saw the dead still alive just passed from time. The modern belief of purgatory held by the Catholic Church is not the thinking of these early men who made random comments about these things. Jesus did preach to spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19). Could the Lord do that again?

Towards Communion (Eucharist) it is held by many all through Church history that the Lords Supper was more then a symbol. Many evangelicals believe this, there is a mystery and holiness to the taking of the Lords Supper. It is clear to me its more then a symbol in that if we eat it unworthily we will suffer judgment, and even death!

Towards wine this is probably gnostics who say all matter and physical things were evil. It does not excuse his language or encouraging people to strike them. There probably is much more context that we do not know or have not read to this also.


Lastly, John Chrysostom was terribly anti-Semitic, comparing, in his Adversus Judaeos (Against the Jews) homily, the synagogue to a pagan temple, representing it as the source of all vices and heresies. He described it as a place worse than a brothel and a drinking shop; it was a den of scoundrels, the repair of wild beasts, a temple of demons, the refuge of brigands and debauchees, and the cavern of devils, a criminal assembly of the assassins of Christ. Chrysostom hated both the synagogue and the Jews, saying that demons dwell in the synagogue and also in the souls of the Jews, and describing them as growing fit for slaughter. The Nazis quoted him (and Martin Luther) during the Holocaust.


I just read the entire homily he wrote against jewish people in his city. One needs to read the "entire" sermon to understand why he speaks against them. believers were being converted to judaism and also some starting to practice the festivals, similar to the jewish roots heresies and problems in our day. Of course many words he said were not proper and this is very similar to Martin Luther.

In the end we do not reject Martin Luther. Luther held to consubstantiation which stats the Lord's Supper is more then a symbol. He was also a cessationist in part. also Luther allowed for prayer for the dead, and only later on made changes towards this:

To console women whose children were not born and baptized, Martin Luther wrote in 1542: "In summary, see to it that above all else you are a true Christian and that you teach a heartfelt yearning and praying to God in true faith, be it in this or in any other trouble. Then do not be dismayed about your child or yourself. Know that your prayer is pleasing to God and that God will do everything much better than you can comprehend or desire. 'Call upon me,' he says in Psalm 50. 'In the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.' For this reason, we ought not to condemn such infants. Believers and Christians have devoted their longing and yearning and praying for them."[25] In the same year 1542 he stated in his Preface to the Burial Hymns: "Accordingly, we have removed from our churches and completely abolished the popish abominations, such as vigils, masses for the dead, processions, purgatory, and all other hocus-pocus on behalf of the dead".[26][27]

The Lutheran Reformers de-emphasized prayer for the dead, because they believed that the practice had led to many abuses and even to false doctrine, in particular the doctrine of purgatory and of the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice for the departed. But they recognized that the early Church had practiced prayer for the dead, and accepted it in principle. Thus in the 1580 Book of Concord, the Lutheran Church taught:

"... we know that the ancients speak of prayer for the dead, which we do not prohibit; but we disapprove of the application ex opere operato of the Lord's Supper on behalf of the dead."[28]

So we do not disown martin luther, why would we Chrysostom?

They were not perfect but used of God, none-the-less.


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From a Roman Catholic page:

From 386-397 A.D. St. John Chrysostom served as a priest in the main church of Antioch. He soon became renown for his preaching and writing skills. In 397 A.D. he succeeded St. Gregory of Nazianz as Bishop of Constantinople.

"When the word says, 'This is My Body,' be convinced of it and believe it, and look at it with the eyes of the mind. For Christ did not give us something tangible, but even in His tangible things all is intellectual. So too with Baptism: the gift is bestowed through what is a tangible thing, water; but what is accomplished is intellectually perceived: the birth and the renewal. If you were incorporeal He would have given you those incorporeal gifts naked; but since the soul is intertwined with the body, He hands over to you in tangible things that which is perceived intellectually. How many now say, 'I wish I could see His shape, His appearance, His garments, His sandals.' Only look! You see Him! You touch Him! You eat Him!"

-"Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew" [82,4] 370 A.D.

"I wish to add something that is plainly awe-inspiring, but do not be astonished or upset. This Sacrifice, no matter who offers it, be it Peter or Paul, is always the same as that which Christ gave His disciples and which priests now offer: The offering of today is in no way inferior to that which Christ offered, because it is not men who sanctify the offering of today; it is the same Christ who sanctified His own. For just as the words which God spoke are the very same as those which the priest now speaks, so too the oblation is the very same."

Source: St. John Chrysostom, "Homilies on the Second Epistle to Timothy," 2,4, c. 397 A.D.

"It is not the power of man which makes what is put before us the Body and Blood of Christ, but the power of Christ Himself who was crucified for us. The priest standing there in the place of Christ says these words but their power and grace are from God. 'This is My Body,' he says, and these words transform what lies before him."

Source: St. John Chrysostom, "Homilies on the Treachery of Judas" 1,6; d. 407 A.D.:

"'The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not communion of the Blood of Christ?' Very trustworthily and awesomely does he say it. For what he is saying is this: 'What is in the cup is that which flowed from His side, and we partake of it.' He called it a cup of blessing because when we hold it in our hands that is how we praise Him in song, wondering and astonished at His indescribable Gift, blessing Him because of His having poured out this very Gift so that we might not remain in error, and not only for His having poured out It out, but also for His sharing It with all of us."

-"Homilies on the First Letter to the Corinthians" [24,1] ca. 392 A.D.

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Where in the scripture are we told to never disown or disregard the teaching and practices of any man...no matter how popular and famous they might be? We are to adhere to the Word of God plus the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. These things alone are the foundations of the true Church, not the teachings of the reformers.

Here is just one example of Luthers misguided and malicious thinking towards other believers...does this sound like someone who lives by the Spirit of Christ?

"That seditious articles of doctrine should be punished by the sword needed no further proof. For the rest, the Anabaptists hold tenets relating to infant baptism, original sin, and inspiration, which have no connection with the Word of God, and are indeed opposed to it. ... Secular authorities are also bound to restrain and punish avowedly false doctrine ... For think what disaster would ensue if children were not baptized? ... Besides this the Anabaptists separate themselves from the churches ... and they set up a ministry and congregation of their own, which is also contrary to the command of God. From all this it becomes clear that the secular authorities are bound ... to inflict corporal punishment on the offenders ... Also when it is a case of only upholding some spiritual tenet, such as infant baptism, original sin, and unnecessary separation, then ... we conclude that ... the stubborn sectaries must be put to death."

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There definitely is a mystery in the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ in communion when done in reverence and faith.

"this is.."

"communion with..."

John 6:54 New International Version (NIV)

54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

The Roman catholics and Greek orthodox try and claim Chrysostom, but he was neither of theirs.

It is like ourselves being in a modern movement trying to claim the Waldensian leader was actually one of us, where if he was actually alive would disagree with possibly many things we held to.

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forrests Dec 16, 2016

Brother Greg,

I was blessed by the OP. I was just listening to Tozer's "Pursuit of God" here on SI and it sounded very similar. Here are a couple examples:

"The modern scientist has lost God amid the wonders of His world; we Christians are in real danger of losing God amid the wonders of His Word. We have almost forgotten that God is a Person and, as such, can be cultivated as any person can. It is inherent in personality to be able to know other personalities, but full knowledge of one personality by another cannot be achieved in one encounter. It is only after long and loving mental intercourse that the full possibilities of both can be explored.

All social intercourse between human beings is a response of personality to personality, grading upward from the most casual brush between man and man to the fullest, most intimate communion of which the human soul is capable. Religion, so far as it is genuine, is in essence the response of created personalities to the Creating Personality, God. "This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”"

And:

"We have been snared in the coils of a spurious logic which insists that if we have found Him we need no more seek Him. This is set before us as the last word in orthodoxy, and it is taken for granted that no Bible-taught Christian ever believed otherwise. Thus the whole testimony of the worshipping, seeking, singing Church on that subject is crisply set aside. The experiential heart-theology of a grand army of fragrant saints is rejected in favor of a smug interpretation of Scripture which would certainly have sounded strange to an Augustine, a Rutherford or a Branierd.

"In the midst of this great chill there are some, I rejoice to acknowledge, who will not be content with shallow logic. They will admit the force of the argument, and then turn away with tears to hunt some lonely place and pray, "O God, show me thy glory.” They want to taste, to touch with their hearts, to see with their inner eyes the wonder that is God."

And one more:

"I have said that Abraham possessed nothing. Yet was not this poor man rich? Everything he had owned before was still his to enjoy: sheep, camels, herds, and goods of every sort. He had also his wife and his friends, and best of all he had his son Isaac safe by his side. He had everything, but he possessed nothing. There is the spiritual secret. There is the sweet theology of the heart which can be learned only in the school of renunciation. The books on systematic theology overlook this, but the wise will understand."

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we conclude that ... the stubborn sectaries must be put to death."

Though there were 116 laws against other sects and anabaptists in germany, some very strict, I would like to see original source evidence for this statement, all I can find is other catholic websites quoting it and it seems like not a full quote.

Source: Dave Armstrong. "Pamphlet of 1536" in Martin Luther and The Protestant Inquisition
(Janssen, X, 222-223; pamphlet of 1536)

Dave Armstrong runs a catholic apologetics blog.

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forrests Dec 16, 2016

by awakened on 2016/12/16 10:47:28
Where in the scripture are we told to never disown or disregard the teaching and practices of any man...no matter how popular and famous they might be?

Did someone make this claim?

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forrests Dec 16, 2016

by FrankLira on 2016/12/15 12:44:45

Just how is the Spirit superior over the God's written word? Jesus is the Word made flesh.

I guess I don't get the correlation...

Jesus surely isn't a book which became a man, no? He is the Logos made flesh...which, interestingly, is what the Spirit is given to us for...to make us, in a sense, the word of God made flesh. No?

The Law is God's word, too...and yet God says (through His apostle, Paul) that the "letter kills" and the "Spirit gives life". Sounds like he found the ministry of the Spirit much more glorious than that of the letter...

I believe that is what the quote in the OP was getting at. That God prefers vital, living communion through His Spirit in yours (the word written on the heart - the Law of Life), but due to our, let's say...infancy, He communicates to us by written word as a provisional measure. But it is a means, not an end.

"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."

~ Jesus the Bread of Life; John 5:39-40

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"So we do not disown martin luther, why would we Chrysostom?

They were not perfect but used of God, none-the-less."

This is the same flawed logic to support that false teacher John Calvin and his followers who committed atrocities in the "name of God"

There is a very good reason the Church is built on Christ and the Apostles, not on the Protestant reformers.

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false teacher John Calvin

Brother,

Unfortunately I would have to disagree with you, he was a man who had flaws also but knew God and was used of the Lord. The protestants were not perfect and were under pressures that were cultural and geographic. Similar to American evangelicals in our day that side with America and war.

We are glad to have messages by John Calvin on SermonIndex, alonside Anabaptists, in heaven we will realize that perhaps more of use understand less then we thought. I already admit that I see very dimly and just "in part" (1 Corinthians 13). May our eyes be on Jesus Christ Himself, not on men who are frail and even fail.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=category&cid=272

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Disowning both these men's deeply flawed religious views would be most appropriate. The Nazi's used their writings with terrible effect to inflame the seething underling hatred of the Jewish nation that is always present in many people A terrible legacy that further greatly hampered the cause of Christ to the Jewish people. To me its poisoned everything else that they wrote that sounded orthodox. And much of it was not even close to being biblical irregardless.
The reformation was a work of the Holy Spirit, not Martin Luther or any other
religious "leader"

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John 6:54 New International Version

54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Are you suggesting that the communion bread is somehow transformed into the literal, physical body of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Are you suggesting that the communion wine is somehow transformed into the literal, physical blood of the Lord Jesus Christ?

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forrests Dec 16, 2016

Brother, do you see the difference in what was actually said and what you claimed was said in your reply?

What was said:

"So we do not disown martin luther, why would we Chrysostom?

They were not perfect but used of God, none-the-less."

What you asked in response to what was said, actually twisting what was said a bit (imo):

Where in the scripture are we told to never disown or disregard the teaching and practices of any man...no matter how popular and famous they might be?

The original comment (above) didn't make a claim about what scripture says, nor did it forbid or discourage one to ever "disown or disregard the teaching and practices" in any circumstance..

That is not what the brother said at all.

He was pointing out that many cherish certain truth that Luther taught that they perceive is in accordance with scripture, in spite of the fact that he held positions that those same people would argue are at odds with God's word. He was appealing for us to use this same wisdom when dealing with Chrysostom. Judge and discern what is being said and don't overreact and "throw the baby out with the bathwater", so to speak, because you find fault with dome point of the mans theology/doctrine. That's all.

If we were to only ever listen to people we agree with 100% on every point, we would never learn or grow and we may be the only one we could "listen to" after awhile...such a position would reveal an ugly pride that secretly believes we know everything perfectly and we become the measure and standard of doctrine.

I listen to and read Spurgeon and am greatly blessed by him, though I strongly disagree with Calvinism and TULIP. Surely there are preachers/teachers (brothers and servants of the Lord, really) that you are blessed by and you disagree with them in some area...no?

We also need to be careful not to look far back in history and judge these men of God based on the gospel light that we are currently standing in, without taking into consideration the sometimes overwhelming general spiritual darkness of the times that some of them were living in - and they were rising above the error of their day and grasping and reclaiming precious truth. They didn't get it all at once, but they did bring us some. Each his own measure. And let us have patience, grace and understanding for them where they fell short, knowing that we stand on the shoulders of many mighty saints of God and we too can still hold on to false beliefs and be dogmatic about things we ought not - even in spite of our advantages.

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