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Trying to be More Christ-Like

sermonindex Jan 25, 2017

by Elliot Coatney

I often hear in Christian circles that our goal as believers to is to be more like Christ, to become more Christlike, or some other version of that idea. For most Christians today, this is probably a familiar concept”“one that is often addressed in public prayer, devotions, sermons, newsletters and the like. If becoming more Christlike is a biblical concept, what does it mean, and how do we do it?

It seems that what most Christians mean when they talk about being more like Christ is having more of the qualities Jesus had (and less of the qualities he didn’t). Christ loved others more than himself, he was obedient to God, humble, honest, righteous and faithful. How do we get more of these qualities? Typically, the answer is that we get more of these qualities through prayer, Bible reading, fellowship, God’s help, feeding the new nature, starving the old nature, or maybe self-denial or self-discipline”“but none of these are the answer.

The surprising truth is that we are NOT meant to be more like Christ. God’s plan is for Christ to live His life through us. This is a fundamentally different thing than becoming like Him. And how does this happen? How do we as believers have Christ live out His life through us and as us? This happens not by doing anything but by receiving””receiving the person of Christ by faith and trusting Him to live out His life through us.

It is in fact dangerous to think that we can be more like Jesus apart from expressing His life and His spirit. Think of the original sin of Lucifer (Adam’s and Eve’s sin came later). Lucifer was an angel and God’s "light bearer,” but Lucifer wasn’t satisfied to bear the light of another. He wanted to be a light unto himself, independent of God (Isaiah 14:14). It was this same false and impossible idea of independence with which Satan infected Adam (Gen 3:5), and through Adam, all mankind (Rom 5:12).

To think that we can or should be more like Christ by working harder to have attributes like him is to believe the false idea of independence authored by Satan. For the believer, this deception doesn’t jeopardize salvation, but it does keep the believer from being all that God intends him to be. As believers, we unwittingly give Satan a foothold in our lives unless we put our faith in the truth that all attributes of Christ exist in His person alone and that our purpose and design is simply to say yes to expressing them (really expressing Him) as a free and willing vessel. Jesus himself said: "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do NOTHING” (emphasis added, John 15:5). The last thing Satan wants is for a believer to know who he is as a vessel and to understand how God created him to operate by faith in that fact.

If you believe that you have an independent human nature and that your purpose is to develop more of the attributes that Christ had, you can admittedly find some support for this view in scripture”“more so in versions like the New Living and NIV which seem to have been translated with this as a premise and less so in versions like King James or NAS which do not. If you are willing to consider that scripture is saying something altogether different”“that we have no independent nature of our own but instead express through our human selves the divine Spirit of Christ or the false spirit of error Satan””then scripture has new meaning.

The handful of verses that refer to "walking as Christ walked” or "imitating Christ” are not meant to be understood as repeating behaviors or attitudes. These verses simply mean that we are to live by faith as Jesus did, and His faith was this: "I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). Christ acted boldly always pointing to the Father. He wasn’t saying: "Act as I act, and behave as I behave.” He was saying: "See how I and the Father are one. The same is true for you, and now act on that fact by faith, as I do.”

1 John 4:16-17 says that "God is love.” The passage continues on to say that "as He is, so also are we in this world.” (Note how this passage in the New Living Translation ends up with much more of a behave-like-Jesus sense: "We live like Jesus here in this world.”) Love is the very person of God. God determined that He would eternally say no to being self-for-self, that He would eternally be self-for-others, and that He would give Himself totally for his creation. All the so-called attributes of Jesus, even the Fruits of the Spirit of Gal 5:22, are manifestations of God himself, not feelings or even actions. We can’t be more like God or more like Jesus. We can only contain and express Him. We can’t be loving toward another”“only God can be love through us. I can’t have more love or get more love because God is love in me and is joined to me in one Spirit. Jesus Himself said, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone” (Luke 18:19). He is living His life by me as long as I have no known sin I am holding onto.

So how can we be more like Christ? We can’t! We can’t be more like Him, we can only be Him””Christ himself expressed through our vessels. For those believers who know, despite their best efforts, they don’t measure up and their righteousness is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6), the news that Christ is there to live out His life and to be everything we know we can’t be seems almost too good to be true. But it is true, and all we have to "do” is believe it, and He lives it out.

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TMK Jan 25, 2017

Ephesians 5:1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

1 John 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

This is a two part process. The HS does his part but we must do our part.

sermonindex Jan 25, 2017

True Christianity is simply believing the truth and standing firm in it.

Religion tries to make you do something or to avoid something to fix a problem that does not even really exist.

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Sree Jan 25, 2017


Typically, the answer is that we get more of these qualities through prayer, Bible reading, fellowship, God’s help, feeding the new nature, starving the old nature, or maybe self-denial or self-discipline”“but none of these are the answer.

This article is a complete lie. It is lie of the Devil. We see the moderators take serious action against people who come with some dangerous ideology and keep posting in SI. Why is the same step not taken here?

If a person ignores Bible reading, does not feed the new man then he cannot become like Jesus, period. No matter what faith they have. Just belief will not save someone.

If this article is true then at least someone should be christlike in the past 2000 years, but none including the Apostles were completely Christlike. Which means Christianity is a failure.

This kind of do nothing Christianity is a biggest lie of Satan.

1 John 3:3 is good enough to prove this article wrong. Even John the Baptist said he should decrease and Christ should increase. The life of Jesus growing in us is incremental. It starts with having an attitude of Jesus. That is why Paul says we should have the attitude of Jesus to Philippians.

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proudpapa Jan 25, 2017

RE : /// Typically, the answer is that we get more of these qualities through prayer, Bible reading, fellowship, God’s help, feeding the new nature, starving the old nature, or maybe self-denial or self-discipline”“but none of these are the answer.///

Will Worship and voluntary humility are the sanctification formula's of many religions.

Case in point :

The sanctification formula above is most often described by the old Cherokee Legend - Two Wolves or black dog vs white dog.

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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017

Hi Todd,

The Holy Spirit does His part SO we can do our part.


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TMK Jan 26, 2017

Agreed, but we still have to do it. He won't force us.

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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017

When the Holy Spirt works in us, He also fills us with the desire and the joy to "do it" so that it never ever is the burden of "we have to do it".

sermonindex Jan 26, 2017

The surprising truth is that we are NOT meant to be more like Christ. God’s plan is for Christ to live His life through us. This is a fundamentally different thing than becoming like Him. And how does this happen? How do we as believers have Christ live out His life through us and as us? This happens not by doing anything but by receiving””receiving the person of Christ by faith and trusting Him to live out His life through us.

Saints,

There is a subtle deception in the article that TUC shared. In that it sounds very spiritual and wonderful if we just believe and somehow Christianity just happens. But as others have pointed out the Scriptures are full of commands to self-denial, discipleship, godliness, saying no to sin, etc. The Spirit of God leads us in these things but we must also make choices and follow the Lord.

The message of hyper-grace is very popular now amongst modern evangelicals as it suits the desire people have not to fast, not to say now to the world's tv, pleasures and other amusements. Hyper grace takes the pressure off for believers to need to fight against sin and mortify the deeds of the body that they may live (Colossians 3:4-7).

I remember sharing Scriptures in a men's bible study and I gave a comment that we need to be diligent to be in the Word of God and be very disciplined in our flesh to read the Scriptures. A few people revolted in anger and told me how dare I would suggest that they "needed" to read the Scriptures everyday. One man even made the statement: "I will only read the Scriptures if the Spirit leads me." I was shocked at their reaction and realized that these men have bought into the lie of the false grace message that God will never go against our wonderful life and desires and he will just bless and work with us so we can have our best life now on the earth.

Religious disciplines also are frowned upon and the very use of the world religion is considered too strict, legalistic and devoid of the Spirit. Yet the Scriptures themselves use the word, that there is one true religion from above (James 1:27).


When the Holy Spirt works in us, He also fills us with the desire and the joy to "do it" so that it never ever is the burden of "we have to do it".

Brother,

How would this statement work with the New Testament Scriptures where many times we are told to deny self, deny our desires and ask to have the desires of Christ. Taking up our cross daily is not always something we want to do, but we know we should. Joy follows obedience and does not always precede it.


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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017


Dear brother Greg,

Greg, I am a sister, not a brother.

To me, to "deny self, deny our desires and ask to have the desires of Christ…… taking up our cross” is simply to totally look away from self and to see the Lord Jesus alone, to be nothing that Christ may be everything in me.

That the Holy Spirit fills us with the desire and the joy to "do it” is my own personal experience. I am all for righteousness and holiness and I have learnt that apart from Christ I can do nothing.

Christianity is not a burden to me.

"I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart” (Psalm 40:8).

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AbideinHim Jan 26, 2017

Have you despaired of yourself, or do you hope that if you read and pray more you will be a better Christian? Biblereading and prayer are not wrong, and God forbid that we should suggest that they are, but it is wrong to trust even in them for victory. Our help is in Him who is the object of that reading and prayer. Our trust must be in Christ alone. Happily the " wretched man " does not merely deplore his wretchedness; he asks a fine question, namely: " Who shall deliver me?" " Who?" Hitherto he has looked for some thing ; now his hope is in a Person. Hitherto he has looked within for a solution to his problem; now he looks beyond himself for a Saviour. He no longer puts forth self-effort ; all his expectation is now in Another.

How did we obtain forgiveness of sins? Was it by reading, praying, almsgiving, and so on? No, we looked to the Cross, believing in what the Lord Jesus had done; and deliverance from sin becomes ours on exactly the same principle, nor is it otherwise with the question of pleasing God. In the matter of forgiveness we look to Him on the Cross; in the matter of deliverance from sin and of doing the will of God we look to Him in our hearts. For the one we depend on what He has done; for the other we depend on what He will do in us; but in regard to both, our dependence is on Him alone. He is the One who does it all. ( Watchman Nee)

sermonindex Jan 26, 2017

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=58759&forum=35

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017

Hymn "Haven of Rest”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK9ufX4G2FU

Author: Henry L. Gilmour (1890)

My soul in sad exile was out on life’s sea,
So burdened with sin and distressed,
Till I heard a sweet voice, saying, "Make Me your choice”;
And I entered the "Haven of Rest”!

Refrain:
I’ve anchored my soul in the "Haven of Rest,”
I’ll sail the wide seas no more;
The tempest may sweep over wild, stormy, deep,
In Jesus I’m safe evermore.

I yielded myself to His tender embrace,
In faith taking hold of the Word,
My fetters fell off, and I anchored my soul;
The "Haven of Rest” is my Lord.

The song of my soul, since the Lord made me whole,
Has been the old story so blest,
Of Jesus, who’ll save whosoever will have
A home in the "Haven of Rest.”

How precious the thought that we all may recline,
Like John, the beloved so blest,
On Jesus’ strong arm, where no tempest can harm,
Secure in the "Haven of Rest.”

Oh, come to the Savior, He patiently waits
To save by His power divine;
Come, anchor your soul in the "Haven of Rest,”
And say, "My Beloved is mine.”

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To me, to "deny self, deny our desires and ask to have the desires of Christ…… taking up our cross” is simply to totally look away from self and to see the Lord Jesus alone, to be nothing that Christ may be everything in me.

Sister,

I do appreciate your desire to simplify what it is to follow Christ as in the end it comes to a personal relationship of knowing and following Jesus Christ. We must also realize that relationships mean work and commitment. Such as marriage is knowing a spouse but also doing much work that at times is hard to do such as cleaning dishes, working on things you do not want to, etc. It is not automatic but much hard work and discipline.


1 Peter 1:14-15New International Version (NIV)

14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;


The Lord gives specific commands for us to do certain things with our tongues, bodies, minds, heart, and with our time and energy. God does not control us to do it all but we have to make a decision and or ask the Lord for help. It is not all automatic.

1 Peter 2:11-12New International Version (NIV)

11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.


We are still in sinful bodies with redeemed hearts, therefore we are to abstain from sinful desires. This is warfare and not easy. If the answer was what you wrote then the rest of the New Testament would not need to be written but of course we have many commands, warnings, and godly counsel on how to act, behave, and follow the Lord.



Our trust must be in Christ alone. Happily the " wretched man " does not merely deplore his wretchedness

This is not Biblical Christianity to believe we are wretched and will do evil continually till we die and are in heaven. If we are not delivered daily, redeemed daily to walk in victory over sins then we have to ask ourselves are we truly redeemed and the Lord's to start with? If the Person of Jesus Christ dwells in us we will not be able to continue in sins.

We are forgiven by Jesus Christ's blood, and now we follow the Lord in discipleship because of being forgiven. Of course no obedience clears away sins, but that does not negate the need for obedience and following the Lord in reading, praying, almsgiving, etc.

"pleasing God" Yes it is actually about pleasing God, as the Scriptures give us many references (Romans 12:1, Ephesians 5:8-10, 2 Corinthians 5:9).

Ephesians 5:8-10

for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.

What Watchman Nee is saying is that our pleasing God or doing things never merits forgiveness and of course we all agree with this. But after forgiveness we should seek to be pleasing to Him that purchased us at such a great price.

And all righteousness now we do is because we are redeemed with the Holy Spirit in our hearts, so it comes from reliance on the Lord therefore, but that does not negate doing "good works" and following in practical righteousness or mortifying and saying no to sinful desires.

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TMK Jan 26, 2017

Jesus spoke about counting the cost before deciding whether to be His disciple. He seemed to think it would not be a bed of roses.

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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017

Greg, do we become righteous by faith or by works?


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BranchinVINE Jan 26, 2017

Jesus also said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest."

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Heydave Jan 26, 2017

Reading the posts on this thread I can see how what appears to be opposing sides on this issue are really both presenting a truth, but can be emphasising mainly one side of a truth.

Let me try and give an illustration....
If I am given a light aircraft to fly, I have been given the ability and power to fly up into the sky and travel at speed to where I desire. However I still need to actually use the controls and fly the aircraft, I cannot just get in and expect it to do everything for me, while I do nothing and just sit there in peace (unless you think we are just like passengers on an airline). So there is some effort and action required from me. It is also true that if I decided not to make use of the aircraft, but rather makes some large wings, strap them to my arms an flap with all my might I will not even get off the ground! That is deluded self effort destined to fail.

In an effort to warn about the foolishness of self effort (homemade wings), we should not advise being an airline passenger, but to take hold of the things (light aircraft) given to us by Christ.

Not passengers! See 2 Peter 3-7.....

..."as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,"

"by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

..."But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,"

"to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,"

"to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love." NKJV.

This seems very clear....He has given all we need. We show diligence to make use of what has been given.


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TMK Jan 26, 2017

Awesome Dave. Great analogy.

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How do you do that? By believing the truth God's gifts are already yours, you just need to believe it.

We just need to cooperate with Him by believing what He says is truth.

You can believe GOD - NOW

This is the requirement - He even supplies the faith you need.

Believe what? What God has said about you.

You were actually with and in Christ - when He died on the cross.

When He rose from the dead you were there with Him and in Him.

His Life is NOW yours - His PERFECT obedience is now yours.
His Perfect Righteousness is now yours.

IT IS DONE!! Stand fast in the Liberty in WHICH HE WAS SET YOU FREE!!

Believe it NOW - Take it NOW

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