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Future Sins Forgiven in Advance: The Fundamental Error of Hyper-Grace by Micheal Brown

sermonindex Feb 13, 2017

When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that you and I and the rest of the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the very last sin that will be committed on this planet. But that doesn't mean that God forgives our sins before we commit them. That is not taught anywhere in the Bible, and when the Lord says that He forgives us and remembers our sins no more, He's speaking of the sins we have committed at the time He forgives us.

The New Testament is totally clear on this. As it is written in 2 Peter 1, the believer who goes backward spiritually rather than forward "is blind and shortsighted because he has forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins" (2 Pet. 1:9b; the ESV reads, "having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.")

What sins did God forgive when we asked Him to save us and cleanse us? He forgave our past sins, our former sins, the sins we committed before we were born again. As explained in Colossians 2, when we put our faith in Jesus and became children of God, He cancelled "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us and contrary to us, and He took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross" (Col. 2:14). The Complete Jewish Bible explains that "He wiped away the bill of charges against us" and the New International Version reads, "having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."

Under God's holy law, we accumulated a massive amount of spiritual debt, with each new sin we committed adding to that debt. And it was a debt we could never repay, especially since the standards of God's law continually reminded us of our failures and shortcomings. But the moment God saved us, He forgave us that debt””some scholars refer to it as an IOU””and then He brought us into a new and better covenant, one in which His laws are written on our hearts and He remembers our sins no more (Jer. 31:31-34).

So, when we look to the Lord for salvation, He forgives every sin we have committed up to that point and He even forgives us for who we are: lost, rebellious sinners. But He does not forgive us for our sins before we commit them. This is clearly stated in many passages and it makes perfect spiritual sense as well.

When you put your trust in Jesus as your Savior and Lord and you asked Him to forgive you for all your sins, what sins did you mean? Perhaps you said something like, "God, I confess to you that I am a sinner and have done many wrongs things in my life, and I ask you to forgive me and wash me clean."

Is that how you prayed? I said something similar to the Lord, and He met me right where I was as a heroin-shooting, LSD-using, rebellious, hippie rock drummer. I was clean and forgiven and washed at that very moment. Totally! And all the guilt I had been feeling in previous weeks as the Holy Spirit was convicting me of my sins was totally gone as well. What amazing grace!

But it didn't dawn on me to say, "And Lord, while we're at it, could you please forgive me for all the sins I plan to commit tomorrow and for the rest of my life, along with the sins I don't plan to commit?"

I bet it didn't dawn on you to say that either. Why? It is because we understand that forgiveness is for what we have done, not for what we will do.

In the same way, if I sinned against my friend and let him down, I would go to him and say, "Please forgive me for being irresponsible and causing you pain. I was wrong and I make no excuses." But I wouldn't say to him, "And since I'm confessing and you're forgiving, I ask you to forgive me in advance for every sin I will ever commit against you in the future as well." Of course not.

You might say, "But isn't it different with God, since He sees the future the way we see the past?"

Not at all, even though He inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15) and knows the beginning from the end (Isaiah 46:8-10). But when it comes to forgiveness, He only forgives people for what they have done, not what they will do. Consequently, there is not a single verse in the Bible where God forgives a person's sins before they commit those sins. Not one.

To repeat: Jesus paid for all our sins when He hung on the cross, which means that for all of us living after the cross, He paid for our sins before we were ever born. But He does not forgive our sins until we come to Him asking for mercy, and when He forgives us, He forgives what we have done.

To give you a simple analogy, let's say I put $1 million into a special account for your education, telling you that whenever you incur a debt for tuition or textbooks or living expenses while you're in college, you can just send me a text with the amount and I'll transfer the funds into your account. The funds are there and the provision is made in advance, but the funds aren't transferred until the debt is incurred.

In the same way, forgiveness covers whatever "debt" we have incurred, which is why Jesus taught us to pray, "Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors" (Matt 6:12) in the Lord's prayer. (Remember: The Sermon on the Mount is for disciples””for followers of Jesus””according to Matthew 5:1.)

Look at every single prayer for forgiveness recorded in the Bible, and you will see that people (and nations) only ask for forgiveness for what they have done, not what they will do. Then look at every single time that God pronounces a person or nation forgiven in the Bible and you will see that, without exception, it is for sins that person or nation have already committed, not for future sins.

I know that some teachers today say that, "God doesn't forgive in installments," and it sounds very powerful. But that teaching has no basis in Scripture. In fact, the entire Bible is against it.

That being said, it is true that God doesn't save in installments, meaning that the moment He says, "I forgive you," you become a child of God and you pass from death to life, from the kingdom of Satan to the kingdom of God, from condemned to not guilty, from wicked to righteous, from lost to saved, from having a debt of sins bigger than Mt. Everest to being totally and absolutely forgiven””all in a moment of time. That is grace in action. That is the power of the blood of Jesus. It is a free gift, and it is yours forever.

That also means that if you sin tomorrow and get upset with a coworker, you do not become unsaved and go back to death, back to the kingdom of Satan, back to being condemned, back to being wicked and lost. Instead, as a child of God who is still in the "forgiven" column””meaning, God looks as you as His beloved child, a former guilty sinner whom He has pronounced forgiven””you now need to apply the blood of Jesus to your life and receive fresh cleansing. But you do not do this as a lost sinner being saved. Rather, you do it as a child of God who is in the "saved-righteous-holy-forgiven" column, freshly applying that source of forgiveness, the blood of Jesus, to your life again.

In the same way, in 1 John 1, John says to God's people (the "we" and "us" of his letter) that, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9). The Greek is present, continuous as opposed to one fixed time, and it speaks of the pattern of our lives as believers. So, as saved, forgiven people, loved by the Father, if we sin against the Lord, we confess that to the Lord, receiving fresh cleansing and forgiveness””not the forgiveness of salvation but rather the forgiveness of relationship.

And should a believer walk away from the Lord and be restored in repentance, he or she is saved from death and the multitude of sins they have committed is covered (see James 5:19-20; note that the text does not say, "of course, their future sins were already forgiven"””quite the contrary). And in James 5:15, speaking of the sick believer receiving prayer for healing, in the event this person's sickness was due to their sin, it is written "If they have sinned, they will be forgiven" (not, "they are already forgiven").

On a practical level, it is very important to understand clearly that God does not forgive our sins before we commit them, since this false teaching opens the door to all kinds of deception and danger. You see, if I really believe that my future sins are already forgiven, in a time of weakness or temptation I might think to myself, "It no big deal if I do that, since I'm already forgiven, and therefore nothing could change my relationship with God, no matter what I do." I think you can see how dangerous that could be.

To explain this further, we know God doesn't dredge up our past to condemn us, reminding us every day, "You were a terrible wretch before you were saved and you did some really bad things. You should feel ashamed of yourself." That is not our Father! We did do terrible things before we were saved and we did feel ashamed, but all that is forgiven and forgotten.

But what if I believed the same thing about my future sins? That would mean that when the Holy Spirit came to make me feel uncomfortable, warning me of danger, I would ignore the Spirit's loving work, thinking it was my own mind or, worse still, attributing it to the devil. "God already forgave me for this sin, so the Holy Spirit wouldn't convict me." And so, rather than heeding the Spirit's rebuke””which is meant to be a life-saving rebuke””I will plunge headlong into disaster.

It would be like a driver saying, "By faith, I've already arrived at my destination, so I can ignore these warning signs on the road." In reality, we ignore them to our own peril.

That being said, modern grace teachers make a very good point when they remind us that God deals with us as His children, which means we don't get saved one moment, lost the next moment (the moment we commit a sin) and then "resaved" the moment we ask for forgiveness. This kind of spiritual schizophrenia is not only totally unbiblical but totally maddening. Who can possibly live like this?

So it is crucial that we find a place of security in the Lord, remembering that we are saved by grace, not by works, by God's goodness, not by our goodness. It's also crucial to understand that when God forgives, He forgets””meaning, He doesn't keep a record of wrongs against us””and that when we are forgiven, we are really forgiven. And it's crucial to understand that Jesus paid the price for every sin we will ever commit, and when we come to Him in sincerity, asking Him to wash us clean, He will do it without hesitation. The price has already been paid.

This means if God isn't bringing up our past, we shouldn't bring it up either, and if He says we are forgiven, we really are forgiven. We must receive it, no matter what we've done and no matter how far we've fallen: "I am God's child and I am forgiven!"

We might deeply grieve over the sins we committed, and that is commendable. Could you imagine a husband who committed adultery against his wife not deeply grieving over his sins when he repented to God and to his spouse? We might feel smitten when we think back to some foolish thing we did in the recent past, one that brought terrible hardship on us and others, and we might kick ourselves, thinking, "How in the world could I have been so stupid?" That is totally understandable.

But at the same time, we should know that God really has forgiven us, that He really does love us, that He doesn't put us in the dog house, that we don't need to get saved again, and that He does not want us to wallow in guilt. Just consider the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector (Luke 18:9-14). The Pharisee, a respected religious practitioner, boasted to the Lord about his own righteous works. In contrast, the tax collector, recognizing his guilt, wouldn't even lift his head. Instead, he beat his breast and prayed, "'God, be merciful to me a sinner'" (Luke 19:13b).

Those simple words, "God, be merciful to me a sinner," were the only words that tax collector needed to pray, and Jesus says it was this man””the sinful tax collector, not the religious Pharisee””who went home justified. Amazing!

That is the grace of God, and to repeat, when He forgives, He forgets. As the Scriptures declare:

"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, your transgressions, and your sins, as a cloud" (Is. 44:22a).

"Who is a God like you, bearing iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not remain angry forever, because he delights in benevolence. He will again have compassion on us. He will tread down our iniquities underfoot, and cast all of our sins into the depths of the sea" (Mic 7:18-19).

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man against whom the LORD does not count iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit" (Ps. 32:1-2).

"... for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:34b).

And here is something remarkable. All these verses I just cited are from the Old Testament, with the authors still looking forward to the fullness of forgiveness that comes to us through the cross. How much more, then, can we be confident that our own sins are forgiven in Jesus, once and for all?

So we can rest assured that, as far as our salvation is concerned, we have been forgiven of our sins, and God remembers them no more. How mind-boggling is that? And as far as our ongoing relationship with God, forgiveness is applied whenever we need it and ask for it.

Unfortunately, because modern grace teachers fail to distinguish between the forgiveness of salvation and the forgiveness of relationship (some even mock the distinction), they teach erroneously that the moment you are saved, even your future sins are pronounced forgiven.

It is important that we confront the dangerous teaching that our future sins are pronounced forgiven the moment we are saved while at the same time helping to ground believers in the glorious forgiveness that we do enjoy as children of God through the blood of Jesus.


from: http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/62969-future-sins-forgiven-in-advance-the-fundamental-error-of-hyper-grace

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dolfan Feb 13, 2017

Also, I think fundamentally too, is the error that salvation is about cleaning the slate instead of creating a son.

Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain perfect through sufferings."

Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be confirmed to the image of his Son...".

Romans 8:14, 21 "As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God...The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God. ... the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

The one who walks in the flesh walks in death and can receive nothing from God. He is not being transformed, not being conformed to Christ-likeness, not living in the Spirit or sonship.

Hyper-grace -- and I will indeed label the likes of Joseph Prince and Norman Grubb as adherents to its errors no matter what the system of belief is called -- but it spins its wheels in a mudhole. It never leaves the debate about elementary things. Oh, it wallows around and makes a large show and splash about works and grace and about law and spirit and about sons and righteousness and liberty and identity ---- but it never adds an inch of transformation, never brings any person to conformity with the image of Jesus, never makes us more in the glory of the Son. It uses all sorts of nice words and quotes volumes of verses but it never brings a man toward the image and likeness of Jesus.

This is why we are here: to please God. It pleases Him to make us, it pleases Him to reveal Himself to us in His Son, it pleases Him to bring us to Him through the blood of His Son (whom He crushed because it pleased Him) and it pleases Him to make us like His Son and to be brought into the glory of His Son. Everythng we are and do --- and those two concepts are inseparable --- is to this end and by the means ordained by Him and which also please Him.


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staff Feb 14, 2017

Hi Dolfan
RE:
Hyper-grace -- and I will indeed label the likes of Joseph Prince and Norman Grubb as adherents to its errors no matter what the system of belief is called -- but it spins its wheels in a mudhole. It never leaves the debate about elementary things.

I agree with you that these people are teaching falsehood and alot if not all is for monetary gain.They are easy to spot usually flamboyant etc.
On the subject of Hyper Grace their is no such term.Ive been through this before of SI.I think the term in itself is misleading .Although I understand what people are trying to say I believe they should not use this term .Why?In reality their are two sections of grace,you are in grace or you are out of grace thats it full stop.Their is no other hyper grace or hypo grace either.
Often the writings of the Church Fathers comes up on SI to support one thing or another but I havent checked but id be surprized if Hyper Grace is mentioned.
We are doing "Grace" a great dis-service by using this term
I do understand what the writer of the article is trying to say but he should get his terminology correct in my opinion,

I like the spinning of the wheels in a mudhole phrase
Yours Staff

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dolfan Feb 14, 2017

I won't quibble. Hyper means beyond. Call it something beyond grace? Suits me. Something beyond grace is somethng besides grace.

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staff Feb 14, 2017

Hi Dolfan
I would rather people use the terms set out biblically because Hyper grace doesnt really say anything (its just bordering on name calling if it doesnt say anything)
If its beyond Grace then its not grace.The term has become acceptable even though its clearly unbiblical.
The people using it are having a double standard regarding biblical intrepretation.
Yours Staff
Edit:
In another way of putting it Michael Brown is making an error when using that term

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TMK Feb 14, 2017

Staff- it's just a descriptive term. When we use the term hyper grace we know what it means without having to go into great lengths describing what it means.

Calvinism or Reformed are terms not in the Bible either but we use the term as a shorthand for referencing a system of theology. Hyper grace is a system of theology, just as legalism is a system of belief or practice.

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proudpapa Feb 14, 2017

Staff has a point.

terms like hyper grace , easy - believism mean different things to different people.

They are terms thrown out by mockers to discredit others

case in point.

A big turning point for me in the direction of my understanding was the second time of going through David Bercots "The kingdom that turned the World upside down"

He attacks not only Edward Motes famous hymn but slanders Edward Mote himself as teaching easy - believism. :

The Solid Rock
My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name. Refrain:
On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness veils His lovely face,
I rest on His unchanging grace;
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.
His oath, His covenant, His blood
Support me in the whelming flood;
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my hope and stay.
When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh, may I then in Him be found;
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.

"The Kingdom That Turned the World Upside Down" by David Bercot p 22 :

Bercot speaking about the hymn writes :
"The only passage in Scripture that speaks of building on the rock instead of on the sinking sand is the passage ... from the sermon on the mount. Jesus made it absoulutly clear that the only way we can build on that rock is to do what He preached in that sermon. His grace is trully unchanging, but he extends it only to those who love and obey him.
Yet this popular hymn totally ignores the very words of Jesus and teaches instead that we build on the rock by simply trusting in Jesus grace and righteousness to cover us - regardless of how we live. And guess who most proffessing Christians choose to believe (1) Jesus Himself or (2) this hymn writer and others who preach a Gospel of easy - believism."


I looked into Edward Mote I found nothing in his life that suggested that he was a false convert.

clarity

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yuehan Feb 14, 2017

Rather than asking whether "future sins (have been) forgiven in advance" (which has been discussed in past forum threads), a much better way to frame the topic would be:

"Is the atonement of Jesus Christ sufficient for future sins?"

Answer: Hebrews 10:12-14


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yuehan Feb 14, 2017

The question, at its heart, touches the core of our understanding of the atonement.

1. When Jesus was punished on the cross, was He punished for every individual and specific sin that we would commit? (a belief captured in the lyrics of "In Christ Alone" - "For every sin on Him was laid")

2. Or should the punishment that Jesus endured, and the blood that He shed, be understood in a more allegorical, figurative way?

If you subscribe to the first view (which I think is more aligned with Reformed convictions), then the penalty for our future sins has already been paid for by the atonement of Jesus (a past act). I believe this view, as I stated earlier, is substantiated by Hebrews 10:12-14.

Drawing from my own experience, I also believe that knowing Jesus took on the punishment for every specific sin we commit (past, present, future) will not induce you to sin, but fill you with love and gratitude for Him.


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TrueWitness Feb 14, 2017

Let’s say you are married and you say or do something unkind to your spouse. Assuming that the both of you are in fact in love, will your spouse forgive you if you don’t ask for forgiveness? Yes, but would it not introduce some measure of doubt, uncertainty, and distrust in the relationship. In a true love relationship, confession of fault or asking for forgiveness is not done so much to secure forgiveness but rather to communicate to the one you love that you care about them and want to let them know that fact. The importance of the relationship should govern your behavior in this situation rather than a rule you invoke to secure your own forgiveness. So I think that asking the question, "Do I HAVE TO ask forgiveness to be forgiven?” is misguided and a better question would be, "What is the best way to assure the one I love that I take our relationship seriously and let them know I take responsibility for my actions and own up to the fact that I acted foolishly and selfishly and I regret my hurting them?”

So I have concerns about how both sides are handling this question. In both cases, both sides are obsessing over a rule and trying to give a cut and dried answer. The hyper-grace camp says no you don’t have to ask forgiveness. This strikes me as acting like a complete heel. They seem to be more interested in their own forgiveness and unconcerned about how the Lord feels. The problem with Michael Brown’s position of Yes you do have to confess your sin to be forgiven is that it is almost certainly not possible to be aware of each and every sin you commit and therefore you cannot confess something you are not aware of. If even one tiny sin is unforgiven, your name cannot be written in the Lamb’s book of Life. I absolutely do think that you should confess your sin as you become aware of them. But again, this is done more for the purpose of letting the Lord know you value the relationship. I would counsel both sides to be ruled by Love more than by a strict rule.

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proudpapa Feb 14, 2017

RE : ///Michael Brown’s position of Yes you do have to confess your sin to be forgiven is that it is almost certainly not possible to be aware of each and every sin you commit and therefore you cannot confess something you are not aware of. If even one tiny sin is unforgiven, your name cannot be written in the Lamb’s book of Life///

acctually Brown was not saying that. He was speaking of confessing of sin as for purpose of restoring of relationship and not for the purpose of being resaved.

The artical had some good points

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Sree Feb 14, 2017


The problem with Michael Brown’s position of Yes you do have to confess your sin to be forgiven is that it is almost certainly not possible to be aware of each and every sin you commit and therefore you cannot confess something you are not aware of. If even one tiny sin is unforgiven, your name cannot be written in the Lamb’s book of Life. I absolutely do think that you should confess your sin as you become aware of them.

It is a very valid question. The scripture is very clear on this subject.
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

We can only confess sins for which we have light. We cannot confess sins that we committed without our direct knowledge. For example I might have spoken a word that hurt another brother in Christ but I might not even be aware of it. But when I confess all the known sins, God will always forgive the unknown sins. That is what the scripture promises that he will forgive ALL our Unrighteous acts, which includes both conscious and unconscious sins.

Even our Lord Jesus taught us to always pray for forgiveness of our sins (matt 6:12). ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." So asking daily forgiveness should always be part of our prayer. If we say we have not sinned then we make Jesus who taught us to pray for forgiveness a liar.

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yuehan Feb 14, 2017


Let’s say you are married and you say or do something unkind to your spouse. Assuming that the both of you are in fact in love, will your spouse forgive you if you don’t ask for forgiveness? Yes, but would it not introduce some measure of doubt, uncertainty, and distrust in the relationship. In a true love relationship, confession of fault or asking for forgiveness is not done so much to secure forgiveness but rather to communicate to the one you love that you care about them and want to let them know that fact. The importance of the relationship should govern your behavior in this situation rather than a rule you invoke to secure your own forgiveness. So I think that asking the question, "Do I HAVE TO ask forgiveness to be forgiven?” is misguided and a better question would be, "What is the best way to assure the one I love that I take our relationship seriously and let them know I take responsibility for my actions and own up to the fact that I acted foolishly and selfishly and I regret my hurting them?”

So I have concerns about how both sides are handling this question. In both cases, both sides are obsessing over a rule and trying to give a cut and dried answer. The hyper-grace camp says no you don’t have to ask forgiveness. This strikes me as acting like a complete heel. They seem to be more interested in their own forgiveness and unconcerned about how the Lord feels. The problem with Michael Brown’s position of Yes you do have to confess your sin to be forgiven is that it is almost certainly not possible to be aware of each and every sin you commit and therefore you cannot confess something you are not aware of. If even one tiny sin is unforgiven, your name cannot be written in the Lamb’s book of Life. I absolutely do think that you should confess your sin as you become aware of them. But again, this is done more for the purpose of letting the Lord know you value the relationship. I would counsel both sides to be ruled by Love more than by a strict rule.


I like what you wrote, TrueWitness.

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twayneb Feb 14, 2017

It seems to me that the question of grace, salvation and forgiveness, often revolves around the individual and his or her personal destiny. It seems to me that we often center our thinking on what guarantees our own forgiveness. To this I would have to ask, why it is that we think this way. So often this thinking is revealed in how we attempt to "sell" salvation to others. We speak to them about having sins forgiven so that they can live eternally in heaven and avoid hell. But in that idea I think we reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of the reason for grace in the first place, and that fundamental misunderstanding leads us to a wrong understanding of what grace is.

I have to ask myself why it is that God extended His grace to men in the first place. Obviously it was because of the sin of Adam, and the fact that even though I did not commit the same sin as Adam, I was guilty before God through Adam's sin. (Romans 5)

I also have to ask what was the result of Adam's sin that so compelled God to offer His grace. Through Adam's sin, enmity came between man and God. We became dead in our trespasses and sins. Right relationship was broken. God's desire for salvation is reconciliation. He desires that we be restored to His original purpose for man, to be created in His image. He desires us to be sons, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. (2 Corinthians 5, Hebrews 2).

I then have to ask myself about the nature of salvation. I think that Romans 6 is sufficient to answer that question. Salvation is not found simply in a prayer in which I confess that I have sinned and ask forgiveness. To stop salvation here is to sell a very incomplete bill of goods that will not stand the test of time (He that endures to the end shall be saved.) What endures is an understanding that the gift of God's grace is received in exchange for my all. Salvation is free, not in the sense that it does not cost anything, but in the truth that I in my flesh I cannot earn it. It is a gift, not because it is given with no obligation on my part, but in that it is given at all, given the fact that I rightfully deserve wrath instead.

So I am born again when I decide that I am willing to die to myself, repent of my sins, and follow Him. This act on my part ushers in His work of regeneration. I am born again and become a new creature. There is now no longer enmity between God and me. I am now reconciled to God through the sacrifice of Christ, restored to right relationship and fellowship, and empowered by His Holy Spirit (Titus 2:11-12), through whom I now commune with God, to live a life of Godliness. ( In fact, this life is to be so empowered by Him that scripture tells me I no longer live, but Christ lives in and through me.

Since I am still in the flesh, I am sure that I will at some point in time fail, fall short of His holy standard. But when I do, because I am born again, I will experience a true sorrow and confession to Him and repentance will flow naturally from me, not because I am worried about losing my own skin in Hell, but because I have been made righteous, and my act of unrighteousness is clearly incongruous with my identity as a holy Son of God. To be able to sin at will and then argue about whether I need to repent or not is, in my estimation, a dangerous sign that I might indeed not be born again as I claim to be.

But in all of this, as a born again man, I understand that my sin has been dealt with. My failure does not negate my standing as a righteous son of God through the blood of the lamb, but reveals to me that there are areas of my flesh that are still not brought into subjection to Him and compels me to bow before Him in repentance and seek for His supernatural hand to change me in ways that I cannot change myself. All the while I keep my eyes upon Him, accepting what He has done for me, and rejoicing in His great grace.

We seem to have, in the body, a reactionary spirit that causes us to swing like a pendulum. When we perceive a teaching to be in the left ditch of the road, instead of maintaining constancy in the truth, swerve to the right ditch and begin to decry the left ditch. The result is that we lose sight of the road altogether. I believe the movement that Dr. Brown is decrying, the hyper-grace movement, is in gross error and that they are leading many men and women into a life of licentiousness. I have read his book, and I agree with it on the whole and think it is good. But I have also seen Dr. Brown lump many into this movement that I know for a fact are not in it at all. (Left ditch, right ditch). The result is that our reaction to the hyper-grace movement has also caused some to abandon true grace in exchange for something that borders on our obtaining from God based upon our own ability to keep rules and live what we perceive as a holy life.

Then end result of this is, I think, that we become confused about grace and we seek clarification through a formula that we can apply in our flesh. We cannot throw out God's true grace because some men have used that grace as an excuse for licentiousness. (Jude 1:4)

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dolfan Feb 14, 2017

Wisely and well said bro.

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staff Feb 15, 2017

Hi Twaynweb
Thats very well put together post and is encouraging at the same time.
I think what you said regarding reactionary Christianity is true regarding alot of areas.We have a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water and end up with an empty bath,
The problem is when we get content that with that outcome.Thanks for the indept post
Yours S

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Linjp Feb 15, 2017

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:

37
"For yet a little while,And He who is coming will come and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

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Heydave Feb 15, 2017

Quote:
"The problem with Michael Brown’s position of Yes you do have to confess your sin to be forgiven is that it is almost certainly not possible to be aware of each and every sin you commit and therefore you cannot confess something you are not aware of. If even one tiny sin is unforgiven, your name cannot be written in the Lamb’s book of Life. I absolutely do think that you should confess your sin as you become aware of them."
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It is true that we are not aware of every possible sin we may commit.

The answer to this is I believe is in 1 John 1:7, which is obviously all part of the same statement John makes about sin,forgiveness and righteousness.

"If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin".

My understanding of this is that if we walk in the light, that is walking in submission and obedience to Christ, if we commit a sin we will confess and repent and be forgiven (v.9) and all sins that we ignorantly or unconsciously commit are covered and cleansed under the blood of Christ. This would be in line with the 'type' shown in the OT sacrifice for sins committed in ignorance or unintentionally (see Leviticus 4).

Note, this cleansing of all sin is for those who are 'walking in the light', not a 'get out' for those who are deliberately disobedient and sin wilfully as stated in the scriptures Linda posted.

Linda, good relevant scriptures you posted.

sermonindex Feb 15, 2017

It is a very valid question. The scripture is very clear on this subject.
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

We can only confess sins for which we have light. We cannot confess sins that we committed without our direct knowledge. For example I might have spoken a word that hurt another brother in Christ but I might not even be aware of it. But when I confess all the known sins, God will always forgive the unknown sins. That is what the scripture promises that he will forgive ALL our Unrighteous acts, which includes both conscious and unconscious sins.

Even our Lord Jesus taught us to always pray for forgiveness of our sins (matt 6:12). ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." So asking daily forgiveness should always be part of our prayer. If we say we have not sinned then we make Jesus who taught us to pray for forgiveness a liar.

Well said brother.


Matthew 6:9-13 New International Version (NIV)

9 "This, then, is how you should pray:

"‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]

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twayneb Feb 15, 2017

I cannot think of a time that I have sinned since surrendering my life to Christ that I have not received almost immediate conviction from the Holy Spirit. It is an evident token of God's great love for me and an evident token of my position of sonship that this happens. If I were not convicted...I would not be a son. I also cannot think of a time when this conviction did not drive me to confess and repent before the Lord. The motivation of my confession is not fear of wrath, but sorrow at disappointing the one who loves me so much.

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