Question for those who believe we are all being saved

I do not believe asking someone are you saved is a right question scripturaly, because Bible uses Salvation in all 3 tenses. Hence we are saved from the Penalty of our sins, being saved from the Power sin (Romans 6:14) and will be saved from the Presence sins (1 John 3:3). These are the 3 Ps of salvation. Which is scriptural. I believe there will be those who believe what I believe. I am not here to prove that I am right and rest of those who believe in only salvation in past tense are wrong. The purpose of this thread is not to argue with them.

But the question I have is for those who have the same belief as me towards salvation. If you sin and the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sins but you are unwilling to confess them, then are you on still on the way to salvation? What if you die in this unrepentant status?

My answer is no, I am not in the way of salvation if I harden my heart towards God, unwilling to repent from a sin that His Holy Spirit is convicting in me. The answer is backed by scripture,
1 John 1-9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

So if I am unwilling to repent of a sin that God is convicting in my heart then I make him a liar. Only if I confess that sin then God cleanses me of all unrighteousness. 'All Unrighteousness' includes that were committed in the past and those committed out of ignorance (unconscious sins).

Personally I do not believe God will allow me to die in an unrepentant status. But that is my personal faith in God's faithfulness.

You have used two different words- repent and confess. Do you mean both, or just "confess?"

You have used two different words- repent and confess. Do you mean both, or just "confess?

I recently read this definition of repentance from David Pawson, he says a child gave this definition - "Repentance is to be sorry enough that you stop doing that sin". So confession is one of the essential step towards repentance. The prodigal son confessed his sins to his father before his father accepted him. But he decided to turn towards his father even before he confessed.

Plus there are certain besetting sins that lay hold of a person. He/she is aware of it and knows it is wrong and go through a process of confessing and perhaps repenting for a time yet stumbles and returns to that sin only to repeat the process.

A person who is not saved would not care about their sin at least to the extent of confessing and repenting.

Plus there are certain besetting sins that lay hold of a person. He/she is aware of it and knows it is wrong and go through a process of confessing and perhaps repenting for a time yet stumbles and returns to that sin only to repeat the process.

TMK, I am not concerned about the sins that a believer is battling in his spiritual life. As long as he is repenting from it each time he commits them,he is on the way to salvation.

But what if one day he decides not to repent and believe that he will continue committing such sins? I do not believe such person is anymore in the path to salvation.

A person who is not saved would not care about their sin at least to the extent of confessing and repenting.

One example is Romans 5-10:- For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!

1 Cor 1:18 - For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

2 Cor 2:15 - For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing,

One is either saved or not saved. We are not working our way towards salvation

Apolos, like I said this thread is not for you. If you are honest, you will agree that you have to go for a twisted explanation of scriptures that I have posted about continuous salvation. There is no way you can give a straight forward explanation to them because your theology will be against those verses! But I am not restricted by any theology, I believe the Bible as it is. I can give a straightforward explanation to all these scriptures!

I do not believe in Man working his own salvation. I believe in God working on a progressive salvation. This is scriptural, that is why it is important to workout our salvation with fear and trembling as God is still working inside us His salvation.

I do not want this thread to be an argument against those who are blinded to certain scripture by man made theologies! Let those who are blind, continue being so. I have no intention to turn them.

My prayers are for any man caught up in such pride who believes that none is actually saved, meaning there is no such thing as assurance of salvation

This is your judgmental assumption that I have no assurance of salvation, just like how you call me arrogant!

I have the equal assurance of salvation if not more than any Calvinist who believes he cannot lose salvation. Like I said, if God is working his salvation in me, then why should I lack any assurance of salvation? It is only those who believe in man made theology are to be pitied because their understanding of salvation is not based on God's word.

Sree, where did you get such a teaching? Are you taken up with Catholicism?

This is the problem with you, since you derive your teaching from men and not based on scripture, you think the same about everyone else! At least try to understand that there are those who listen to the pure word of God and do not let man corrupted theology to guide them. Just because Catholics have corrupted certain belief, we cannot entirely discard a belief. Just like you even the cessionists disregard the gifts of Holy Spirit because certain Pentecostals have corrupted them. We all know who is at loss!

Brother Sree,

I confess that's exactly what I found the scriptures to teach as well- while I may not would word things the same as you do, I nonetheless have to agree with your findings on this. Having said that, it's a subject that I have found to be quite contentious (as you obviously have as well) and so I don't speak of it too often and so I appreciate your initial disclaimer and desire to avoid contentions:)

The question you pose is the same one I was/am confronted by and the current conclusion is that, no they would not "remained" saved if they died in unrepentant sin. Tho I always hold out hope for Gods mercy :)

I don't have a heart to argue either so I won't post scriptures and such but at least know you're not alone in your beliefs ~

For me the following Scripture refutes the idea that Christians are on a constant path of being saved one minute and lost the next and resaved the next and so on and so forth.

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

"If you trust to your faith and to your repentance, you will be as much lost as if you trusted to your good works or trusted to your sins. The ground of your salvation is not faith, but Christ; it is not repentance, but Christ. If I trust my trust of Christ, I am lost. My business is to trust Christ; to rest on him; to depend, not on what the Spirit has done in me, but what Christ did for me, when he did hang upon the tree. Now be it known unto you, that when Christ died, he took the sins of all his people upon his head, and there and then they all ceased to be. At the moment when Christ died, the sins of all his redeemed were blotted out." CH Spurgeon

For me the following Scripture refutes the idea that Christians are on a constant path of being saved one minute and lost the next and resaved the next and so on and so forth.

PP, you comment is oxymoron. If we are on the path of being saved then there is no question of resaved. Imagine if you are traveling somewhere with the help of a GPS which guides you in the right direction. But if you miss an exist, you are not in the path of the destination until you come back to the path that GPS directs you. If you are unwilling to comeback, then you will end up with some other destination even though you had a GPS!

Now can you please explain further how Hebrews 6 that you have quoted here supports your theory that there is no need for repentance? I see that the scripture (Heb 6) strongly supporting my argument. Just because the scripture emphasis the need for repentance, it does not mean that we put our trust on repentance. Our trust is still in the Lord who forgives us. Further even in the quote, I do not see Spurgeon telling us not to repent. He is only telling us not to put our trust in repentance.

Let God alone be true and every man a liar, no matter even if his name is Spurgeon! If Jesus himself taught us daily to ask for forgiveness (Matt 6:12) in our prayers then I will trust him rather than a preacher who teaches me otherwise! Again let God alone be true.

1 John 1:9 is very clear, there is a condition for forgiveness of our sins. If God adds a condition then let no man think that he is wise enough to remove the condition.

Having said that, it's a subject that I have found to be quite contentious (as you obviously have as well) and so I don't speak of it too often and so I appreciate your initial disclaimer and desire to avoid contentions:)

Brother Fletcher (JFW), yes it is contentious because people are so much caught up with their doctrine that the moment I bring those scriptures (that talks about salvation in continuous tense), they start to accuse us! That is why I restricted the discussion to those who are not blind towards the scriptures that talks about being saved. Rest of them can close their eyes towards this thread, just like how they close their eyes to the scriptures that I have quoted on being saved!

The question you pose is the same one I was/am confronted by and the current conclusion is that, no they would not "remained" saved if they died in unrepentant sin. Tho I always hold out hope for Gods mercy :)

One does not need to reduce God's standard to believe in security. I hold God's standard as held by scripture. I also have eternal security.

Jude - 20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

After telling us to "build yourself in holy faith", "keep yourselves in God's love", Jude ends in saying it is by God's mercy we receive eternal life for which we have to wait! So our trust is in God's mercy even though we have to build ourself in faith and God's love.

That is why the elders in Revelation are given crowns to honor their work of faith, but they cast it at the Lords feat because it was His Mercy that they received eternal life.

RE : /// 1 Cor 1:18 - For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

2 Cor 2:15 - For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing,///

King James Bible :

1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Cor 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

From my research the "who are being" that is in the NASB of the above Scriptures seem to not be in the Greek

http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage/?q=2+corinthians+2:15&t=nas

http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/passage/?q=1+corinthians+1:18&t=nas

clarity

Is Jesus our "SAVIOR" today and not our " SAVIOR" tomorrow?
Did He die such a horrible death,just for 1day ?

What did He mean when He cried out, "it is finished",... It was finished what He had to do to make ' a way' for us.He died,(Blood for us,...sacrifice,...an entrance, was made for us,....He showed us "the way",by The Words that He spoke/ preached,..and now put's His Name/Word/Spirit, within us.
We are called by "His Name", ( His Word,..the Seed) that He puts within our hearts, to draw us unto Him,... ( to Him,.(The Word,The Spirit)

Then and now,He sends back The Holy Spirit,... Power, Spirit,Word,to live,..give us 'Life' within,...and over flowing without-allowing Him to resurrect out of us.

Is there no strength in this Holy Savior?Has His arm been shortened, that He cannot save,....all day long His arm is stretched out to save.
Is He just Jesus,without His Word,Spirit,with power...,and not savior tomorrow and the next day [s] and all times ?

If I were drowning today, I would need a Savior,and if I were drowning the next and the next, would'nt we need a Savior ?

This,...our precious Savior,came to 'live',...have His Resurrected Life' in us.
(The kingdom of God,Life)..(the resurrected Lord in us) through His Spirit-

Paul said,in Rom..10:13, " For all who shall call upon "the Name"
of The Lord,shall be saved."

The Name of The Lord, ..Jesus,and His Father, God' Name,is the Whole Word of God,...the whole counsel of God,....all of His righteous judgements, truth.
If we,through the saving Grace of God, see that we are not alineing with
His Spirit / Word that is drawing us,...even if this grace has grown very weak,..THEN we can call upon the Name of The Lord,and He will save us,be Savior to us,..

This is just one Example: I had a bad case of unforgiveness in my heart,and The Lord'Spirit,...confirming it through His Word,showed me that I MUST forgive,maybe not what I did to them,but how I handled it,..my over- flow,....well, I JUST COULD NOT !

So I just cried out to The Lord, and told Him that His Word was right,and I was wrong,....His Name is to forgive,but that I just could not.
( I called upon The Name of The Lord, which is part of the Whole/One of His Name,..and He graciously "saved" me from that sin,and put love in it's place.)..and that is not the only time that I had or still have to call upon His Name,,...He wants to save,be a savior,to what He is, His Word,..His Name.(Hallow be Thy Name),..in us.

It is not my will,of my flesh to offend,..ever,

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elizabeth

From my research the "who are being" that is in the NASB of the above Scriptures seem to not be in the Greek

Romans 5:10 is still reads as 'Shall be saved' in KJV as well. Also Mark 13:13.

A person who is educated in Greek research told me recently that in Greek it is always 'being saved' in all the scriptures. According to him salvation is never represented in Past tense in Greek Bible.

I go by what my Bible says.

PP, I am yet to hear your explanation of Hebrews 6 in supporting your view.

When the scriptures talk about salvation in continuous terms, it is speaking of sanctification.

I agree with this statement completely. But what I cannot agree is even after saying this, you still separate salvation and Sanctification as 2 different thing. If our sanctification is also a part of being saved. Then we are not completely saved till we are sanctified.

My own contention is that one can lose their salvation by walking away from the Lord and turning ones back on Him. This, Hebrews 6, will testify to. It does not refer to an un-confessed sin or sins, whereby if one is hit by a bus before confessing it, then dies and goes to hell. There are no Scriptures to support such a view.

In recent times, I am discussing with a fellow brother who believes in Continuous salvation (he is different from you in this point only). He believes in man losing salvation (just like you). But he also believes in what you just said, that it happens only when he totally stops believing in Jesus.

For example in my case where I came from Hindu religion, he feels that I will lose my salvation only if I go back to Hindu Gods. No sin can change me from being saved. This is his point.

I find a big hole in his logic. But I am struggling to show him this big hole.