Discovering that the old man can still slap you.

Well put.

Frank, the essence of what you are trying to say sounds ok, but the words you use are simply unscriptural. I am not posting it for argument sake but educational. Hope you will have brokenness to lean!

Romans 6:6 - is so clear, the old man was crucified with Jesus when we first came to Christ. So there is no question of old man slapping us, it is as funny as saying a dead man slapped me!

The old man is the one who did not care about obeying God. He was willfully sinning in flesh. Flesh can easily influence him to sin. But when we come to Christ, the old man is crucified and we receive a new man (which is not Christ yet). This new man is now born of God and he wants to please God. There is a genuine desire in him to follow Jesus.

But the old flesh that influenced the old man is still very much alive. It will also try to corrupt this new man. That is why we suffer temptations both internal and external. I believe this is what you meant by "Old man coming slapping at you".

Previously there was no struggle between flesh and our will because Old man was readily submitting to flesh. But new man does not want to submit to flesh, hence there will be a fight. In every born again believer, there will be a fight.

But God has not allowed us to fight this good fight alone. He will empower us by His Holy Spirit. If we are empowered then we can overcome this flesh.

Now brokenness, comes out of repeated struggle with flesh and one comes to the point where Apostle Paul was to say that 'there is nothing good dwelling in my'.

He will not put any trust in his flesh (Phil 3:3). Even if some one appreciates him, he will not be puffed, nor will he be angry if someone rebukes him. He is broken period.

Hi Frank, just trying to understand what part of my post do you disagree with? Do you disagree that the old man is actually dead as stated in Romans 6:6, or the old man can still resurrect himself in some ways unknown to us?

Just trying to understand your perspective on this. I am sure I have explained my views as clearly as I can.

No it is not like that Frank. There should always be a basis on which one should place his arguments either for or against. I placed my disagreement to your post based on scripture. But you on nothing! This is not the first time this has happened with you. Even in our past discussions you have always based your disagreement on absolutely nothing. Once you even said that you are right because of your age which is twice as mine!

If sermon index is just any other forum then anyone can post any unbiblical stuff but this is a Christian forum. There are many spiritual babies who visit this forum. They can easily
be mis lead by such unbiblical teachings.

A broken person will be quick to learn and open to correction.

Teachability is the primary need stated in sermon index rules.

Not just this Frank, recently you made such a big issue out of an article that was posted by the moderator, because you thought that some small portion of it is unbiblical. But here starting from the heading of your post, everything is unbiblical! Why do you not apply the same rules to your posts?

If you cannot tolerate a small unbiblical thing inside a big article by a well renouned Bible teacher, how is it that you can tolerate this piece which is clearly against Romans 6:6?

Sounds to me like pointing the spec in another person's article (eye) when there is a big log in your own posts (eye)!

According to you it is unbiblical. You are just one man with an opinion.

It is not according to me or my opinion, it is according to scripture. Christianity is not democracy. One man with God and his word is greater than even million men with opinions that is against scripture (irrespective of their age).

According to Romans 6:6, old man is dead. Now if you say that old man is still alive then you are unbiblical, period. There is no second opinion about it. That is why, when you say, you disagree with me, I want to know basis of disagreement. Both you are trying to cleverly avoid!

Just fill this blanks, I cannot make it simpler than this!

I disagree that Old man is dead because ______________.

You stated you did not want to argue but here you are trying to bait someone you claimed you did not want to argue with.

I am not calling you to argue. I am only asking you to give a basis of disagreement. One cannot post such unbiblical stuff and keep holding on to it, even when proved without doubt that it is unbiblical beyond doubt.

Instead of typing such long posts, why can't you just post what is the basis of you believing that the old man is still alive and slapping you, when the scripture clearly says that he is dead.

I am not even trying to treat you like how you treated others (including me) in this forum just because you disagree with them. At some stage you have to reap what you sow!

Like I said, if you have even one respect for sermon index being a Godly forum, you will be concerned about posting such unbiblical stuff.

I am here quoting some of your comments on another thread where you were so against a part of an article being unbiblical. All I am saying is, why is it bothers you if someone judge you by the same standard of judgement that you showed?

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=59318&forum=34&start=10&viewmode=flat&order=0

Quotes from Frank:-
This is not biblical and creates a myriad of cunfusions ( which always happens when you depart from the simplicity of the Gospel).....bro Frank

I think rather than guess what a man is trying to say, we should just read what he actually said and if it is not Biblical, ask for an explanation. Maybe he just mis-spoke? .........bro Frank

This is unbiblical and untrue and it invites an explanation from Zac as to exactly what he meant by that......bro Frank

Read these quotes and tell me how it is not applicable for you? Why do you think you are exempt from them? I am just curious.

Hi Frank, it is fine. I apologize for trying to pull your leg here. I was just curious to know the basis of your disagreement, which I still believe is non existent.

Coming from a Hindu background and believing every word of God is true, it clearly amazes me how Christians in west hold on to their (man made) theology above the word of God! I do not read scripture through the lenses of man made theologies, so such stands keep amazing me. Sometimes it is a blessing to be born in a heathen family, so that I am not corrupted by such false teachings, and I can give word of God the respect that it deserves.

Unless you throw your bible out or tear the book of Romans from it, there is NO WAY you can justify what you have written, which you also know by now.

Greetings Frank

What you shared here really reminded me just how easy it can be for me to rely on self in any given circumstance if I take my eyes off of JESUS. There is never a moment that I don't utterly and completely need GOD. Apart from HIM I will fail miserably. Praise GOD for HIS mercy, when I am weak and stumble HE shows me. HE never fails to help me see how desperate my need of HIM is.

God bless
Mj